el_super
Well-Known Member
Limit DAS to three uses a day.
This works as long as standby is limited to three uses per day as well.
Maybe the easier answer is to just eliminate standby entirely and allow everyone to use a return system like DAS.
Limit DAS to three uses a day.
Yes. But you will get that information when you call.I think the information we need more than that is what the other accommodations will be and how they will work, lol
But you’re right we won’t likely get that from the company
limiting access to x amount of rides would definitely be taken to court and likely be decided agains Disney. Even if it didn’t, it would concentrate use on the E tickets.It still hate this.
I wonder if it would have worked if they had made these changes instead.
Remove all pre booking.
Limit DAS to three uses a day.
This ensures that all disabled people still receive accommodations and will be able to experience the attractions most important to them that day.
It also greatly reduces any reward for abusers.
It might have been a happy middle ground but maybe it runs into legal trouble ?
Yes, that’s why I said that Disney encourages people to do that. So I don’t think it’s wrong that are people are doing it, I can just see how it might not be considered “fair “ to some folks waiting in standby lines.. and make it more attractive to lie to get the pass. But like I said, I know Disney encourages itI understand.
This is from Disney:
"Guests utilizing DAS can enjoy many other experiences throughout Walt Disney World Resort during a DAS virtual wait, such as other rides, shows, concerts, parades and Character Greetings. They can also take a rest in a break area, get something to eat or go shopping."
Last November, I didn't buy Genie+ but would have if I needed it. It had been several yrs since going to WDW and my first since my condition required DAS. I felt like a newbie so I watched lots of videos and read a lot across the internet. Some said Genie+ was needed but others said it was not. I would never have thought of it as abuse because there wasn't any Snidely Whiplash wink winks as I read or watched the videos. It was more like "If it's very crowded and your condition means just a few hours in the parks, you might want to add Genie+".It's truly baffling that some believe that using DAS, which allows you to bypass standard lines, and then buying Genie+, which allows you to bypass standard lines, is somehow OK because "it's my money and Disney wants me to spend it". It's abusing the system for your own selfish reasons. Rationalization at its worst. Your actions have consequences. And now you're seeing what they are.
Wake me when there is something truly news-worthy posted in this thread.
The applicable section basically says you can't discriminate or deny access to goods and services to somebody based on their disability.
If Disney eliminated DAS completely, there is a reasonable chance that they would win a suit if it was brought against them. Based upon the (overly vague and complex wording) of the actual law, you could argue that making an autistic person wait in the standby line does not deny them access to the attraction.
Yes. But you will get that information when you call.
And once people start getting offered the accommodations we’ll hear about how they work.
I mean they have said something along the lines of “these accommodations may include rider switch, a return to line pass, ….” on the DL site.
They could write a couple of lines on the return to line pass, just like they already do on rider switch.
But people are still asking about RS even though the gist of it known. Why? Because they want to know exactly how it’s going to work, how many will be able to ride, etc. But that will vary depending on who has the need, what care they need whilst waiting, in line and whilst riding, who else and the ages of the rest of the party etc. Yhat’s what “needs based” means.
The information on DAS was only a few lines. It wasn’t extensive. A first timer would still need it explained. There were variations around group sizes etc.
This exactly. It will happen.It sounds like you are thinking that Disney will decide to reject any applications from people with certain medical conditions.
I know, and that’s why I’m not sure that they will even try to tackle that… and as someone who has traveled with people on the spectrum I know how hard it can be to try to distract them when their whole focus is on riding they one thing they are obsessed with. So it might be just more work for Disney and the families involved.I don’t know how operationally Disney would cut out the “two places at once” issue here. Require tapping in to each line? Turning away a guest because they are “in line” for a different attraction?
That might depend on a grand jury and trial jury.This is true but denial of DAS is not a basis for complaint. They have to be denied a reasonable accommodation for their medical issue.
I agree that standby guest who purchase genie can hold 2 places at once… but they have to pay to do it.But technically they can with Genie.
I get a Genie for say PP at 930. I am now allowed to hop in another line prior to that and wait to ride say HM before my time comes up… so yes i understand why people are saying that but its another slippery slope Disney im sure does not want to go down.
This return to line is going to be a huge mess. There was a time Disney would test things. Today they manage by committee and approved this in a meeting full of people probably.It's possible that happens but we also don't know how the return to line is going to work.
We’ll have to disagree. I don’t believe it will be certain conditions that no longer qualify, rather the questioning will be more stringent. That’s where the healthcare partnership comes into play - how to weed out those that don’t need an accommodation. People will not be able to get away with stock answers eg: “he gets anxious in line”.This exactly. It will happen.
There will also continue to be cheaters that will claim specific medical conditions (that cant be proven either way) to get DAS.
The only way to reduce the use of DAS is to reject honest folks with real medical conditions.
How would a grand jury ever get involved in an ADA complaint? Or a regular jury for that matter.That might depend on a grand jury and trial jury.
I think it’ll be both.We’ll have to disagree. I don’t believe it will be certain conditions that no longer qualify, rather the questioning will be more stringent. That’s where the healthcare partnership comes into play - how to weed out those that don’t need an accommodation. People will not be able to get away with stock answers eg: “he gets anxious in line”.
Not sure if all states have grand juries for civil investigations but some do if a trial is sought.How would a grand jury ever get involved in an ADA complaint?
This is a contradictory statement in my opinion.We’ll have to disagree. I don’t believe it will be certain conditions that no longer qualify, rather the questioning will be more stringent.
It will be very interesting to see what happens, as its the one puzzle piece I'm not quite sure will work as well as they think it will.This return to line is going to be a huge mess. There was a time Disney would test things. Today they manage by committee and approved this in a meeting full of people probably.
It will be interesting to watch.
That is still supposition without anyone actually experiencing this. But this whole discussion has been full of hypotheticals.This is a contradictory statement in my opinion.
Person A, previously qualified, their conditions as actually worsened.
The same questions, plus "more stringent" questions whatever that means.
This same person who previously qualified does not.
This person is not now magically able to wait in these queues, in fact their condition has worsened since before the pandemic and Genie+ when this person qualified with no issues and renewed regularly.
Disney answer, purchase Genie+ even though the DAS is a MUCH BETTER guest experience.
If the person can't stand in a queue, Disney could provide a wheelchair so they can sit in the queue.Ok....
Uhm.... No.
If they have a disability that prevents them from standing in the queue, and Disney says they MUST stand in the queue in order to ride an attraction, then Disney is denying them access based on their disability.
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