prberk
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Sounds like what happened to Downtown Disney when it became “Disney Springs”.
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Yep. This is what happens when you (aka. Bob) chase dollars over all else.
DisneyOutsider
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Na, Disney Springs is way more popular now than Downtown Disney ever was. Also I realize that different people have different perceptions of "high-end or "premium"", but the Springs is a pretty firmly middle class shopping district. Not much high end there at all from a product perspective.
Sirwalterraleigh
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AAA and TSA reporting that this was the busiest travel summer…ever.
…so why aren’t they showing up to their “club level” rooms at yacht club then?
…so why aren’t they showing up to their “club level” rooms at yacht club then?
Sirwalterraleigh
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…to call it “the off season” and save a few bucks…
Same thing they do down the road. People still book
Sirwalterraleigh
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Yeah…I’d call it “disposables”…not really “high end”
I liked DTD…and I really like springs
But I think the traffic flow and transport is even more clunky than it was before.
DisneyOutsider
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The large up-tick in visitors combined with a total lack of transit options is probably to blame for the bolded part.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Granted…
But they did that “department store thing” where there aren’t straight shot, A to B paths…elaborate angles, roundabouts, bridges and switchbacks
Always great in the heat
Sirwalterraleigh
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Well they needed it…cause the park/resort restaurants have been gutted pretty systematically
DisneyOutsider
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Meh.. they did their best to give it a sense of place. I'll gladly take it over the "premium outlets" outdoor mall experience.Granted…
But they did that “department store thing” where there aren’t straight shot, A to B paths…elaborate angles, roundabouts, bridges and switchbacks
Always great in the heat
There a few resort restaurants we still enjoy - Three Bridges at Gran Destino/CSR, Boma and Jiko at AK. We also really liked Ale & Compass at Yacht Club for a great, late lunch. The breakfast at Trattoria Al Forno was good.
Sadly we did not like much at Polynesian and our last visit to California Grill wasn't good.
Parks - Tiffins, Skipper Canteen were favorites. Other World Showcase restaurants were fine to good, but nothing to write home about. We really did NOT like Le Cellier. We got it last minute last trip and kind of disappointed.
Just my thoughts and has nothing to do with park attendance.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Le cellier is probably the worst lb for lb on property…that gets artificially inflated dining plan hypeThere a few resort restaurants we still enjoy - Three Bridges at Gran Destino/CSR, Boma and Jiko at AK. We also really liked Ale & Compass at Yacht Club for a great, late lunch. The breakfast at Trattoria Al Forno was good.
Sadly we did not like much at Polynesian and our last visit to California Grill wasn't good.
Parks - Tiffins, Skipper Canteen were favorites. Other World Showcase restaurants were fine to good, but nothing to write home about. We really did NOT like Le Cellier. We got it last minute last trip and kind of disappointed.
Just my thoughts and has nothing to do with park attendance.
Was a ripoff then and still will be 1/1/2024
My point was not the food is all bad. Not close. It’s that overall there is less “great”…and you’re talking about maybe 75ish? Sitdowns
I think the quick serve is a little better? That’s a plus
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Sirwalterraleigh
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It really kinda is that
But more food and some nice diversions…for sure.
I’ll still never forgive the destruction of Pucks
mastromjm
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At least one of the leads designing the Wish had never been on a cruise in their life at the time of designing the ship. It shows
Disstevefan1
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I do not know about ships, but this sure sounds like cost saving?
I am not defending designers but I can see in my mind the designers presenting perfect designs and the accountants, cutting, cutting, cutting.
However this happens, its not good.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The ship is on a tiny fraction larger than the dream class…
Which are all smaller than probably the top 10 ish sized “superships” classes launches since the early 2000s
Doesn’t mean “bigger is better”…that’s no guarantee…
But as far as size to fit things? That’s a problem
Disstevefan1
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Smaller ships cost less to build, right?
It doesn't matter whats offered on the Disney ships, folks will show up anyway because its Disney, right?
Tha Realest
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Where did this information come from?
Never mind, found it.
Meet an Imagineer who built a wish
A Disney Imagineer shares what it was like to design a cruise ship nearly as long as the Eiffel Tower and what it takes to become an Imagineer.
www.nationalgeographic.com
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well it’s interesting that the estimated price for the wish was about the same as dream/fantasy…Smaller ships cost less to build, right?
It doesn't matter whats offered on the Disney ships, folks will show up anyway because its Disney, right?
That isn’t definitive. But if it’s true…it means a roughly 10% larger ship cost the same a full 10-15 years later to build?
That wouldn’t be good. I doubt they got “efficient” all of the sudden?