You said dropping mandates early gives people an excuse not to get vaccinated. I would argue those people simply don’t give a hoot and it doesn’t matter what you do.
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ImperfectPixie
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Only if I were close to other people, yes, I'd still mask up to put others at ease.
Chi84
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Some ammunition
Got the vaccine? Experts say you can relax about your Covid-19 risk now. Really. — Vox
I asked health experts about their post-vaccination lives. Most no longer worry about their own risk of Covid-19.
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GoofGoof
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After one or 2 posts I didn’t want to say anything and scare you away but here goes anyway....welcome back
CosmicRays
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Wendy Pleakley
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Ultimately, the goal is to get COVID under control if not outright eliminated.
While the risk of infection and transmission is low once vaccinated for the individual, the goal is still herd immunity.
One issue is, if you make masks optional for the vaccinated you're making them optional for everyone. Many people will simply choose not to wear a mask at that point despite not being vaccinated.
We're still at the point where relaxing the rules will potentially result in COVID continuing to spread to an unreasonable degree.
Tony the Tigger
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To your first paragraph:
Nope. Bill and Tony are not making a personal decision at all. How can it be a personal decision when it potentially affects (to the point of potentially killing) other citizens, not just us? Also, no, there is no arguing South Florida has not been in an emergency. You may be able to say that about some parts of Florida, but not Palm Beach to Dade Counties.
I have zero faith in individuals making the right decisions; and that mistrust has already been validated 500,000 times over.
To your second paragraph:
Nope. Absolutely do not trust "business owners" as a group to make the right decision in deciding for themselves how and whether to reopen. Again, this is not hypothetical; we've seen it play out with business owners being irresponsible and causing spread. It's not even debatable. There are business owners like myself who go out of my way to protect my staff and customers. There are others who just want the almighty dollar and don't care who dies. That's where government has to step in.
Did I like being closed for two months? No. It was terrifying. It was trial by fire. But, by the time we reopened, we (society) had at least a better handle on things and I as a business owner knew what steps to take to remain reasonably safe (for everyone.)
I don't know how some businesses rationalize knowingly letting people get very ill just to make money, but if you let them self-regulate, you have worse outcomes overall, for certain.
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hopemax
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I am way behind today on this thread. Spent today at Universal. We are going again next week. Night at Portofino, Express Pass, so most of our attractions are for next week. Today was about the new stuff, for me. Velocicoaster and the Bourne Show. While waiting outside pre-opening, and in the sunny part of the queues I saw masks below noses, but otherwise everyone was wearing their masks properly. The 3' is kind of pointless, no one was really following the tape markers. But people were respecting space and not getting right up behind you either. I did see one TM tell someone to cover their nose. Hand sanitizer before FJ, Velocicoaster and Hogwarts Express. My overall feeling was that everyone was taking care, and it wasn't the free for all, some reports implied. Masks were fine for breathing, it's the sweating that's the problem.
Anyway... IMO, I think there is an underlying distrust not only toward government but to the free market. I previously mentioned how people don't seem to have much confidence in experts, which means the "specialized division of labor" part, must not be working right. Also, people are too conditioned to believe that someone is always trying to screw them. For smart people, they see how their employers, and businesses they encounter, stack the deck in their favor and not customers or employees under the guise of "fiduciary responsibility" so everyone is trying so hard not to get taken, that this time it's their distrust that is resulting in them getting taken. Go to Disney, and we all try to learn all the tricks, and avoid the gotchas to make sure we're not overpaying or missing out on something. We are so used to needing to find the angles, and weak points to make sure we find value. This is an unanticipated consequence of an environment that is, by design, intended to be ruthless. Now we really need people to trust pharmaceuticals, medical personal and political leaders and it's not a surprise that people are hesitant, because for so long and recently they have taught people not to trust them. For so long, it only mattered how much money got made, but the adversarial relationships are a problem for things like this.
I don't think it's the "school" education that's the problem so much as the "life" education. That's the common denominator between people of different ethnicities, education levels, income levels, political leaning. People can't take a situation at face value (covid is bad, vaccines are good), because we know that is rarely the case.
ImperfectPixie
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Yes. We went from this same mandate last spring to masks outdoors in public ALWAYS because compliance was absolutely non-existent outdoors (a skate park in our town had to be closed multiple times because the teenagers weren't masking and were hanging out shoulder-to-shoulder and cases were traced back to that group, as an example). We just changed back to 6' distance not very long ago (within a month). Our governor has thankfully been very nuanced in his approach to the virus and has set a timeline for easing restrictions and mandates, provided that we continue to do well with getting cases down and vaccination rates.
TheGuyThatMakesSwords
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A very good point... and why DW & I are looking into THIS (assuming it's not "banned" by someone). Businesses and individuals need some form of accepted visual "I'm Vaccinated" token. We hold ZERO financial interest in this new, promising product:
Worth noting: It's not a "passport". It DOES allow you, or another, to do a code scan & pull up web based IMAGE of your uploaded CDC COVID19 card. Beats walking around with the original pinned to your shirt
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ABQ
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since I'm closer to the west coast, I'll take this one:
Holy crap, 1977 Led Zeppelin and Judas Priest together? Wow!
Chi84
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Can I get one in red with little Minnie Mouse polka dots?A very good point... and why DW & I are looking into THIS (assuming it's not "banned" by someone). Businesses and individuals need some form of accepted visual "I'm Vaccinated" token. We hold ZERO financial interest in this new, promising product:
hopemax
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What would be horrific to Americans though? While the previous administration did downplay aspects of the situation, and try to make political hay, there was recognition behind the scenes that this was a serious thing. There were recommendations and restrictions, it wasn't the same denial of reality that Brazil and Indian leaders were presenting. If we had no vaccine, and none of our restrictions, and one of these more transmissible variants hit us, we would have had more NYC's and border TX situations. We know those places had refrigerator trucks. We know those places sent people home with monitors. We know that hospitals in places had to make decisions about who would get the ICU care and who wouldn't. More people would have been at risk of not having proper care. There would have been more "at home" deaths. Usually, this means you make a phone call and the body is removed in a short amount of time. But what if the deaths were so great that, even if you are in your nice home, when you call they can't be there to remove the body for 3 days? Would that be horrific to Americans?
We wouldn't have cremations in the parks. But I do think there are things that could have happened that would be unfathomable that could happen in a country like ours.
Ok so I guess it’s my time to get banned even though I just showed up. I feel like a year of pent up anger at this whole thing is coming out of me at once.
Corona virus is a deadly pandemic - fact
We have a vaccines that eliminate 99.99 % percent of the risk to you personally - fact
Vaccines are free and readily accessible to all adults and soon some younger teens - fact
If you are too lazy, stupid or both to get vaccinated I am done caring about you period. Why ? Because you don’t care about me or society as a whole.
Don’t bore me with you junk science anti vax garbage either.
Furthermore I hope insurance companies stop covering any covid related medical expenses of the unvaccinated. Personal freedom right?
Why should I have to pay increased premiums due to your inability to care about anything other than yourself?
For the pc police in this thread I understand some people can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons or have autoimmune disease that still put them at risk even after vaccination. To them I’m truly sorry this is a horrible situation for you.
For everyone else who doesn’t get vaccinated just remember when society and this country you claim to love, needed you to step up, you showed your true colors.
That of a coward.
Corona virus is a deadly pandemic - fact
We have a vaccines that eliminate 99.99 % percent of the risk to you personally - fact
Vaccines are free and readily accessible to all adults and soon some younger teens - fact
If you are too lazy, stupid or both to get vaccinated I am done caring about you period. Why ? Because you don’t care about me or society as a whole.
Don’t bore me with you junk science anti vax garbage either.
Furthermore I hope insurance companies stop covering any covid related medical expenses of the unvaccinated. Personal freedom right?
Why should I have to pay increased premiums due to your inability to care about anything other than yourself?
For the pc police in this thread I understand some people can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons or have autoimmune disease that still put them at risk even after vaccination. To them I’m truly sorry this is a horrible situation for you.
For everyone else who doesn’t get vaccinated just remember when society and this country you claim to love, needed you to step up, you showed your true colors.
That of a coward.
sullyinMT
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How’d you do it? I’ve contemplated lying about my son’s age to make an appointment with CVS, but with the wide open availability here it probably not changes things by a day or two anyway.So I got my 14 year old a vaccine appointment for Friday so hopefully that CDC approval comes through
They are doing a vaccine clinic at his middle school on May 20 but he said he wanted to go as soon as possible so Friday it is.
CosmicRays
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HarperRose
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Ad blockers make browsing the web (and discussion boards) so much more enjoyable.
GeneralZod
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Good NPC.
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