I'm not sure if this is addressed to me but since you quoted my post... I did not say 'stick it to the employer by not tipping'. That's a very strange interpretation of what I was trying to say. And fwiw, I am the last person who thinks we should cheat our waiters - I think the base pay should be raised.
I spoke about my beliefs in terms of shifting who is responsible for the wage of waiters. I certainly didn't mean to force my opinion on any restaurant; like I said when I'm abroad I follow local customs and procedures. But hey, since this is a discussion forum, I'm allowed to voice (voice, not force) my opinion right?
I was referring to people who like the OP suggested go into a restaurant and because tipping in many cases is voluntary go outside of the local standard practices and force their viewpoint of what the employees should be paid by not paying them. My main point is that if you don't like that system the best way to voice that opinion is simply to not patronize those businesses. Forcing the situation only makes things worse, by creating mandatory tips included on bills for example which is becoming more and more common.I spoke about my beliefs in terms of shifting who is responsible for the wage of waiters. I certainly didn't mean to force my opinion on any restaurant; like I said when I'm abroad I follow local customs and procedures. But hey, since this is a discussion forum, I'm allowed to voice (voice, not force) my opinion right?
Thanks, and I fully agree with you. Force is never the answer (unless it's Star Wars
)Man, i cant accept that you cant buy a $40 Filet unless you have $48 in your pocket. Isnt that unfair on someone like me who is on minimum wage myself?
Walk into the restaurant order it to go. its generally acceptable to not tip on to go orders. If your in a park or a resort just carry it over to a quick service location to eat it.
No, should have studied harder... So bc you make jack S the waiter should suffer?
It's not compulsary. But it is custom. In Britain, you have Bank Holidays. We Americans have a tough time understanding a holiday that celebrates/commemorates nothing except for a desire to have a day off. But that's a tangent.
Just because something is voluntary doesn't mean it isn't socially unacceptable not to. To go a step further though there are many restaurants that are moving to make tipping compulsory it's becoming custom for larger parties (sometimes only 5 or 6 people) to have the 18% automatically added on and in some cases some restaurants add it on for every single check. This is of course in response to people not tipping. If a waiter gets burned enough they move on to something else and it becomes difficult for the restaurant operator to continue to hire quality people.
The concept of fairness is a farce.
This is one thing that I am noticing here with some quick service places and it kind of bugs me. If I'm sitting in a restaurant and a waiter is serving me I understand tipping is customary, but if I walk up to the counter and order even if they bring the food out to the table I don't they should expect me to tip.
I think it's safe to say that most servers are very happy with 15%. It's the people who don't tip at all or tip considerably under 15% that are the problem.
Wow, all us minimum wage earners are brain-dead and thick. How kind of you to point that that out to us !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think anyone who only has $40 and thinks it's a good idea to buy a steak with all the money they have isn't too bright. Has nothing todo with earning minimum wage.
So so true
