Bob Iger at WDW now ... BoD to Follow?

AEfx

Well-Known Member
But you are glossing over what brought on that change for Disneyland in 2005 - LEADERSHIP CHANGE. The 50th anniversary was simply the vehicle Ouimet used to jump start the park out of it's dark era. It was the change in leadership and mentality towards the parks that actually fueled the turnaround - not that it was because of an anniversary.

The turnaround was in leadership -- not due to the anniversary. The former was just a vehicle of change, not the motivation.

As much as I hate to say it...I know it wasn't because of him, and may have happened anyway...but...I have to give Al Lutz a shout out for screaming so loudly about it. Remember, back then a dozen or so years ago, there were far less "players" in the online Disney community, and at least to Disneyland, he was "the man" - the only one who's coverage mattered and the one that the large contingent of Disneyland regulars looked to.

I think he's gone a bit off the rails since then, and isn't nearly as relevant as he once was - but I do feel I have to give recognition where it is due.
 

AEfx

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I was 45 before I was able to ride in a Doom Buggy by myself. The mere thought of actually standing beside Darth Vader makes me light-headed. And yes, I know it's just some tall guy in a costume, but Darth Vader terrifies me. It's the breathing thing. (Reminds me of when I was 9 years old, and my best friend's dad lived in an iron lung in their dining room. I used to scoot past those doors as quickly as I could with my eyes closed.)

When my niece was performing in the Jedi Training Academy, Vader saw how scared I was (ducking behind random strangers in the crowd) and I swear he kept tormenting me by pointing at me in the crowd and doing that terrifying raspy breathing thing.

Pics of me and Darth Vader? Ain't gonna happen!

Haha, oh, I could tell a pretty embarassing story about myself and the Lord of the Sith...but I won't. I'll just say...I hear ya! ;)
 

PhotoDave219

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That is perhaps the one thing I potentially don't like about the current crop of rumors and conjecture. Figment was evicted once; It didn't go well. If the attraction is well done fans will not complain as before, but its not like there isn't another empty, abandoned spot in Epcot where Inside Out would feel right at home.

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That's partly my fault, I referenced her in a previous post but couldn't remember who it was that introduced us to her in the past.

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/a-spirited-perfect-ten.894588/page-1061#post-6757724

At the time, day 1 of the 2015 Social Media Conference had a mere 87 views. It now has 94.



Have you seen her Fiat 500X review? If so, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. ;)

Ah the Inside about rumors seem to have nothing more than fan sources.

Appears to be nothing more than wishful thinking at the moment. Nothing to worry about at the moment.
 

UpAllNight

Well-Known Member
A land like TSPL should be nothing but a minor blip on WDW finances. If this land were to make up a significant portion of a new Pixar Place, then they've taken the cheap option. I do think the land would be a good addition if the rumoured changes to the other versions around the world are correct though. A redone, and well themed Pizza Planet would significantly increase ROI in this area too (although I suspect it would ruin the illusion of guests being shrunk to Toy Size)

I just fear this is Phase 1, with no announcement of Phase 2 and so on....and we have a year or so of 'is this the calibre of rides they're making', 'Unis building Kong...etc'.

I think it would calm the fans down (if they care) if a significant announcement is made soon.
 

Cosmic Commando

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As stated before... CoP, as of the last incarnation, is strictly an historical attraction. You will not ever see the last scene change because Disney wisely stopped trying to guess the future. What you see now is a history of the last 100 years. You already know what is here now because you live in it and no one has a clue as to the future of anything.

So please everyone stop with the "last scene" righteous indignation. It is what it is, just like the songs in the Tiki Room haven't been sung by anyone outside of the building in two generations. Just go see it for what it was... a great show that was done with technology that was just a dream back then. It was the precursor to what we expect at theme parks now and should remain just the way it is. It is there to be appreciated by people that recognize just how great it was, in it's day. It can be called many things, but, embarrassment is not one of them.

Like the Model T Ford was in it's day, none of us want to currently own one as our primary car, but, we can appreciate what we do have because of it. Besides even after the last scene, there is still a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow to experience starting at the end of everyday.
All of the scenes are "outdated". The problem isn't that the last scene is stuck in 1994... the problem is that it's stuck in a 1994 imagineer's vision of a year 2000 that never happened.
 

asianway

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I would say there were just plain stupid for wasting that amount of time to meet a college kid in a costume. at $100/day, that is a lot of time to waste for a photo opportunity...The M&Gs are out of hand...stop building the expectation that you WILL definitely meet every TV and movie character when you go to WDW....there are more tings to do than that...(well not at DHS)..
I grew up going to WDW...we would occasionally see the characters walk around Fantasyland... it was fun when it happened but we never expected or demanded to meet the characters... Unfortunately Disney has built up the expectation... which is resulting in the 5 hour lines...
Sir, I want to buy you a drink. Finally someone who gets it
 

andysol

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At a mere $80m, toy story play land is one of the best "values" of money they could spend on the park due to the capacity it could eat. Compared to what they've spent in other areas of WDW, that's a bathroom.
So I'm all for it if it's part of the budget- I'd rather have TSPL and $70M to put toward Star Wars than another little mermaid-like C ticket.
 

mcatch729

New Member
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saving this meme in my back pocket haha
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
Ah the Inside about rumors seem to have nothing more than fan sources.

Appears to be nothing more than wishful thinking at the moment. Nothing to worry about at the moment.

I agree, but then again - that post I made yesterday regarding the Disney Insider email I got - "Bing Bong is the greatest disney/pixar character ever" (or whatever his name is) - the headline said "Pure Imagination" and the concept was pushed several times in the article...

Could be entirely coincidental. But...it could also be softening folks up and conditioning them to associate "Imagination" and "IO".
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
At a mere $80m, toy story play land is one of the best "values" of money they could spend on the park due to the capacity it could eat. Compared to what they've spent in other areas of WDW, that's a bathroom.
So I'm all for it if it's part of the budget- I'd rather have TSPL and $70M to put toward Star Wars than another little mermaid-like C ticket.

That's cool - really - but can't they just change around the signage and vehicle sculpts and make them Incredibles/Cars/Etc. instead of "yet another Toy Story attraction at WDW"?

;)
 

Disneyhead'71

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I agree, but then again - that post I made yesterday regarding the Disney Insider email I got - "Bing Bong is the greatest disney/pixar character ever" (or whatever his name is) - the headline said "Pure Imagination" and the concept was pushed several times in the article...

Could be entirely coincidental. But...it could also be softening folks up and conditioning them to associate "Imagination" and "IO".
So.....a Bing Bong vs Figment cage match.
 

AEfx

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So.....a Bing Bong vs Figment cage match.

I have to say, even if there hadn't been talk here - when I saw that email, it still would have occurred to me.

I actually don't normally read them, just am subscribed for offers, but I couldn't resist the title. I'll post the whole thing in a few when I switch PC's.
 

VulcanCafe

Active Member
Ah the Inside about rumors seem to have nothing more than fan sources.

Appears to be nothing more than wishful thinking at the moment. Nothing to worry about at the moment.

Pete Doctor and Jonas Rivera both reference a blue sky Inside Out Epcot ride here: http://www.slashfilm.com/inside-out-theme-park/

'According to Inside Out director Pete Docter and producer Jonas Rivera, 45 minutes after first pitching their film, they were on the phone with Imagineering telling them about the idea. '

'My pitch is that I think this could be a pavilion at Epcot. You’ve got The Sea. Nemo’s there. So in The Land there’s a section called Imagination that’s still there and it’s still cool. [The character] Figment and all that. I loved that as a kid. And I thought, well, ‘We have the mind now.’ And we’ve sort of put visuals to it. And the Train of Thought. It just feels like a show with dreams. It feels like it fits.' -Jonas Rivera
 

AEfx

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So.....a Bing Bong vs Figment cage match.

Here you go. Definitely nothing, well, definitive...but if I were planning to work him into Imagination, this is how I'd start. ;)


LINK

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SUBJECT: Why Bing Bong is the Greatest Disney/Pixar Character Ever

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Unless you were paying particularly close attention to the Inside Out display at your local Target, chances are that when you first saw Bing Bong, the fluffy pink creatures who, by his own admission, is comprised of cat, elephant, and dolphin (with a body made of sticky-sweet cotton candy), it was something of a surprise. As voiced by Richard Kind, Bing Bong is a character that immediately arouses your suspicions, and not just because he was purposefully kept out of much of the marketing leading up to the film’s release. This is a character who used to be the imaginary friend of 11-year-old Riley. But now he’s disused; a vagabond in the mind’s vast wastelands. It’s easy to look at him and ask yourself, What is going on here? And while he might have started off as something of an enigma, by the end of Inside Out’s tear-stained running time, one thing became very clear: Bing Bong is the greatest Disney•Pixar character ever.


We’re going to tell you why but it goes without saying that there are
spoilers throughout, so turn back now if you haven’t been transformed by Inside Out yet. Dead men tell no tales.



Let’s go back to Bing Bong’s introduction: he’s first spotted by Joy (Amy Poehler) and Sadness (Phyllis Smith) in long-term memory. This is the area of Riley’s mind that is supposed to be off-limits, populated only by blobby mind workers that perform maintenance and provide valuable upkeep and categorization. But this is where Bing Bong has found himself—he’s stealing Riley’s memories, hoarding his favorites in a “make believe” bag that also includes (in no particular order) a shoe, a kitchen sink, and a live cat. He’s dressed shabbily, like a hobo in an old Hollywood movie: torn, fingerless gloves and patches on the elbow of his jackets. Given his working knowledge of the Train of Thought, you can tell he’s been riding the rails. All he’s missing is a polka-dotted bindle. (We saw the first hour of Inside Out at a press event earlier this year and were convinced, for many weeks, that Bing Bong was going to turn out to be the film’s villain; the filmmakers admitted to us that this was purposeful and a way to keep the audience on their toes.)


This characterization was purposeful. Co-director Ronnie del Carmen said he was designed to resemble “vaudeville actors who used to play big theaters but after the invention of TV and movies, they’re out of work.” Del Carmen also told us that Bing Bong, no matter how fantastical he might appear, is based on real life. “Bing Bong was created from the observation of us watching our kids,” del Carmen explained. “When they were little they were talking while they were playing and creating little scenarios. They’re talking and you say, ‘I wonder who they’re talking to.’ And then they tell you these stories.” Director Pete Docter sums up Bing Bong even more succinctly: “He’s the spirit of childhood.”

And while the origins of Bing Bong are fascinating, it’s what he
stands for that makes him really special. Bing Bong is struggling for relevancy; he wants Riley to remember him, so they can continue their adventures together and secretly wishes that they can travel, together, to the moon, in his song-powered rocket sled. He is pure, unchained imagination and his DNA can be traced back to the Heffalump from Winnie the Pooh, the elephants on parade from Dumbo and EPCOT Center’s Figment (which is explicitly referenced in a sequence featuring Bing Bong). His desire to stay in Riley’s life has left him desperate and scared. This is a common theme in Disney•Pixar movies, with the Toy Story movies (and television specials) paying particularly close attention to themes of abandonment, disuse, and emotional disengagement. In some ways, Bing Bong is a stand-in for Pixar itself.


“He’s an important character to us. We’ve sort of been chasing that in all of the movies—there’s something about this resistance to growing up and that’s sort of who we are,” Inside Out producer Jonas Rivera admitted to us. “So Bing Bong stands for a lot, to us. Which is why he had to go. He just felt like this breath of fresh air—like he was going to be fun and funny and childlike but also really poignant. He could really deliver.” It’s important to note two things here: one, that Rivera was sitting next to Docter, who was doodling in our Art of Inside Out book throughout the entire interview and who, as a 46-year-old filmmaker, has won an Academy Award and who lives in a multimillion dollar tree house in suburban California. And two: Bing Bong totally delivered.


Pixar, like Bing Bong, is designed for the enjoyment of children but aims for universality. They make movies that they want their young fans to grow up with. These are films that retain their vitality and importance. Pixar does not want to be forgotten or relegated to the dusty canals of long-term memory. This deeper meaning makes Bing Bong more profound, especially for those of us who grew up with Disney•Pixar films and still consider them important parts of our lives. In fact, it’s what makes him the best, most important character they’ve ever created.


Bing Bong ultimately gives himself up for Riley’s happiness. It’s one of the most touching, heartbreaking moments of Inside Out (a film that, for all of its humor, seems comprised largely of touching, heartbreaking moments). It seems an admission, by Pete Docter and the other filmmakers, that there will be a strain of children who will grow out of Disney•Pixar films. Some children will forget about talking toys and flying houses and talking fish. Although given the emotional weight and power of Inside Out, it’s hard to imagine anyone forgetting the film (or Bing Bong) for as long as they live.

 

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