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A Spirited Perfect Ten
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Mike S
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I get that you have to wait for the OK. I just got a bit excited because that's where my mind immediately jumped to. Seems like good times for theme park fans. Except for fans who only go to WDW, of course.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Which do you think will actually happen and cause an actual change in direction?
A) another 'blair witch' string of films happens making studios drool over crazy profits with low budget films
B) a major studio folds w/o a buyout after a string of failures
C) industry shifts drive studios into consolidation and they slowly die fighting for a shrinking pie?
Item A I don't think would cause a long term shift.. just a fad and they'd go back to their crazy films soon enough. Item B I wonder if it would actually get that far and take some big names down with it.. or is the network of production companies and talent so nebulous that there is nothing of substance to go down except for some executives who would just reform under something else. Or Item C... the movie market eventually goes into decline because of imploding forces.
With production being so much contract work.. I'm not sure exactly where things would break down. At the end all I can think of is... will the bankrolls dry up on the funding?
flynnibus
Premium Member
And a reminder of just how much the studio was sliding in the 70s... and period leading up to Eisner.
Spirited Wakeup Call:
This is for all the fanbois who love Bob Iger and profess to love WDW. I don't need numbers here, because I have facts on my side and @ParentsOf4 has put them out multiple times.
What exactly has Bob done for WDW in almost a decade at the top of the company? What? Leave out timeshares and finishing a half complete budget motel that often has Ritz Carlton pricing. Leave out remodeling a shopping mall/lifestyle center. Leave out plastic tracking bands and trip planning apps. Sorry, but you are out of your mind if you think anyone makes plans to visit WDW based on a new Starbucks at Disney's mall or being able to change FP's on their Apple tracking device.
What has he added to the parks you love?
What can you give him? Not the most popular WDW attraction these days (that would be Soarin). Not the attraction that has brought disco back to Florida again (Michael's work). Not even TSMM as that overrated video game was first approved by MDE.
AIE. Yep, that was him. New Fantasyland, in all its overrated glory. He gets that too. What else? Four parks, almost a decade. Wow! What a list of accomplishments.
This is for all the fanbois who love Bob Iger and profess to love WDW. I don't need numbers here, because I have facts on my side and @ParentsOf4 has put them out multiple times.
What exactly has Bob done for WDW in almost a decade at the top of the company? What? Leave out timeshares and finishing a half complete budget motel that often has Ritz Carlton pricing. Leave out remodeling a shopping mall/lifestyle center. Leave out plastic tracking bands and trip planning apps. Sorry, but you are out of your mind if you think anyone makes plans to visit WDW based on a new Starbucks at Disney's mall or being able to change FP's on their Apple tracking device.
What has he added to the parks you love?
What can you give him? Not the most popular WDW attraction these days (that would be Soarin). Not the attraction that has brought disco back to Florida again (Michael's work). Not even TSMM as that overrated video game was first approved by MDE.
AIE. Yep, that was him. New Fantasyland, in all its overrated glory. He gets that too. What else? Four parks, almost a decade. Wow! What a list of accomplishments.
WildcatDen
Well-Known Member
I cannot think of anything from that time period, service industry wise, that does measure up to what it was. From air travel, to seeing a movie, service pales in comparison today. I don't know. So if I go to Wendy's. Or Burger King, I am "over" Disney?Those of us old enough to remember how we were treated at WDW in the 1970s and 1980s see nothing of that Disney Difference at today's WDW.
Mike S
Well-Known Member
Interesting to ponder. I too really am not sure. Item A never lasts long. More like a reoccurring fad that pops up every 3-5 years and immediately dies. B would have to be a MAJOR and I don't see that happening. If a studio is that close go the brink, someone will swallow them (DWA is worth watching now). C is possible, but people were predicting its demise back when George Lucas could still make great films. Didn't happen then, and unlikely to now.
And funding never seems to go dry on bad ideas ... Just look at how many billions are spent making movies that are total crap. It's akin to people tripping over themselves for the idea of making a Bruce Jenner becomes a woman or just pretends to reality tv show.
These investors are like fanbois at D23. The crappier and more pricey an item, the more they are likely to spend on it.
Animaniac93-98
Well-Known Member
I've been to three since September. Does that now mean I can start getting free swag and a paid blog?
Am I the only one who doesn't like Disney's cupcakes? They're too sugary, and I've had better both from grocery stores and specialty shops.
I thought it already did happen? There's been so many (Prince of Perisa, Sorcerer's Apprentice, John Carter, Lone Ranger, Oz etc) there must be some fiscal overlap at some point.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
Thanks for thinking of me. Almost got palpitations when I saw my name and HKDL!
This wouldn't have anything to do with the second gate, would it? (It was acknowledged by the HK Government at council recently if you missed it).
I'm also curious on @WDWFigment review of Kitchen Calamity, is that up for my viewing pleasure somewhere?
Oh, and I'm pumped for the 60th offerings. I wouldn't actually trade all the upgrades and entertainment offerings for a splashy E-ticket. They are doing about everything but add a new attraction... And I'm totally ok with that.
No, not really. Tron was a bust (and lousy as well). Oz barely eked out a profit. Narnia's rights were sold off if that tells you anything. Alice was a big hit, which is why we are getting another. Malificent was also a hit and did better than the studio forecast.
Your comment on Eisner is largely true with the HUGE exception of The Pirates franchise. He greenlighted the first three films in that series.
Goofyernmost
Well-Known Member
Say, not to minimize that perk, but, it's the same thing that being a senior gets you. What a coincidence.
the.dreamfinder
Well-Known Member
Tom hasn't put up that review yet. But, he has put up a really interesting review of the Ratatouille restaurant if you haven't checked that out yet.
http://www.disneytouristblog.com/bistrot-chez-remy-review/
FrankLapidus
Well-Known Member
So a faint glimmer of hope still remains visible on the horizon...
WildcatDen
Well-Known Member
Wasn't that Miramax?
Nah. You have to start your own site. I feel like 2014 was slow as I only did three resorts, although a close family member added one more, and two cruise ships.
Cupcakes are a child's dessert item, much like chicken nuggets and mac n cheese are kiddie cuisine, no matter how many adults gobble them up on the way to morbid obesity. I know they've sorta become chic in the past few years with gourmet stores opening, but they still are simple. Even if you put bacon in one and a candy Baymax on top.
As to the overlap, I'd have to research and I am much too lazy to do so. But Oz was profitable and I believe even PoP was close as it did very well overseas. The other three were huge failures but I think they were each about two years off one another.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I just have a hard time getting my head around the issue that movie budges are growing faster than the movie market. Meaning, not only do films need to do more to be successful, they need more of the total market for themselves to be successful. Generally this leads to shrinking the # of products out there.. (and we've seen that with Disney.. less films out). The cycle just doesn't look to be sustainable.. yet somehow they have.
Will a studio really collapse, or will it just act like silly puddy where somehow they can tear parts off and remold them and remold them and no one really will know the difference in the end result?
I mean when people lose on these films... the losses hit someone eventually... the line of suckers willing to empty their pockets can't be endless.. and it's not like the government who can just print more money
I believe there's hope until you're dead and I am a glass is half empty and the wine is spilling and staining my designer duds and I think I swallowed a glass shard type of Spirit!
I just have a hard time getting my head around the issue that movie budges are growing faster than the movie market. Meaning, not only do films need to do more to be successful, they need more of the total market for themselves to be successful. Generally this leads to shrinking the # of products out there.. (and we've seen that with Disney.. less films out). The cycle just doesn't look to be sustainable.. yet somehow they have.
Will a studio really collapse, or will it just act like silly puddy where somehow they can tear parts off and remold them and remold them and no one really will know the difference in the end result?
I mean when people lose on these films... the losses hit someone eventually... the line of suckers willing to empty their pockets can't be endless.. and it's not like the government who can just print more money
And that is why Bob Iger is bending over (if I put in a fanboi joke will this thread suddenly see moderation?) for China and India and any large emerging market left.
I don't think this model is any more sustainable than WDW's business model, but I also think it can go on for many more years before change has to happen.
