News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[MagicHappens1971]

But some in here keep claiming it sells a ton of merch. If that’s going to keep being claimed, let’s see the evidence.

It’s anecdotal, I got attacked for saying the same thing about a different IP. Disney has said that IP in parks = more money, more sales, etc.

Disney has the data, again…. If it wasn’t selling merch, or they didn’t think it would, they would’ve chosen a different IP for this attraction.

 

[Rich Brownn]

Tiana's box office disappointment and its contribution to Disney shifting away from hand drawn animation is well documented- and considering how poor Disney's performance was in the 2000's, being the highest grossing 2D film they did that decade isn't exactly a high benchmark (though a quick Google search says Lilo and Stitch beat it by 2 million?).

It's a perfectly fine animated film- and better than a lot of Disney's output the last 20 years- but it was hardly a success in theaters.

It was profitable, but performed below expectations. It also made Disney afraid to use the word "princess" in a movie title (thinking it alienated the boys). Hence the retitle of both "Frozen" and "Tangled"

 

[MagicHappens1971]

It was profitable, but performed below expectations.

At the end of the day, movies can be a long term investment. Disney continues to mine and profit off of decades old IPs.

Things also cost less to produce back then, if we really wanted to get into “profitability”

 

[SpectreJordan]

I'd feel the Tiana stuff would be overboard if it was multiple parks within the same resorts. But it's being condensed into a ride with a restaurant right next to it; it's an IP with food as apart of the story, so it makes sense to give it a restaurant alongside the ride.

 

[Brer Oswald]

It’s anecdotal, I got attacked for saying the same thing about a different IP. Disney has said that IP in parks = more money, more sales, etc.

Disney has the data, again…. If it wasn’t selling merch, or they didn’t think it would, they would’ve chosen a different IP for this attraction.

Something something BlackRock.

It was definitely the most obvious (and profitable) of the limited options they had.

 

[Tha Realest]

It’s anecdotal, I got attacked for saying the same thing about a different IP. Disney has said that IP in parks = more money, more sales, etc.

Disney has the data, again…. If it wasn’t selling merch, or they didn’t think it would, they would’ve chosen a different IP for this attraction.

This presumes it was done for largely, or exclusively, economic reasons. Again, if someone is going to say they’re doing it because of “strong merch sales,” show the numbers. Some of the sales data that’s been shared suggests the opposite.

 

[Incomudro]

At the end of the day, Disney has the data. If they’re pushing more Tiana, they must have a reason.

The pushing of Tiana isn't driven by data at all.
It's driven by something else...

 

[LittleBuford]

There’s been an interesting shift (involving many of the same posters) from “Tiana deserves better than a retheme” to “Disney is pushing Tiana”.

As long as there’s something to complain about, I guess . . .

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

We’ll never see the internal data but there’s plenty of external data available via a quick Google search for “Disney Princess popularity”.

Tiana/PaTF #10

Halloween Is Coming, and Little Royals Can Get the Best Disney Princess Costumes

You'll definitely hear the songs all night.

www.bestproducts.com

Tiana/PaTF #10

And the Most Popular Disney Princess Is...

Surprise! A princess who doesn't end up with a prince at the end

time.com

Tiana/PaTF #12

Favorite Disney Princesses U.S.2023 | Statista

A recent survey reveals that Cinderella is the most loved Disney princess among Americans, with 13 percent of them expressing their preference for her.

www.statista.com

Tiana/PaTF #11

The Most Popular Disney Princess Movies, According to Rotten Tomatoes

Magic mirror on the wall, who is the—most popular—one of all?

www.newsweek.com

It’s not scientific or absolute but I see a trend.

 

[mickEblu]

There’s been an interesting shift (involving many of the same posters) from “Tiana deserves better than a retheme” to “Disney is pushing Tiana”.

As long as there’s something to complain about, I guess . . .

Why can’t both of those things be true?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Why can’t both of those things be true?

Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much

it is too much… but it would be a whole lot more exciting if we were getting new additions to the parks rather than some reskins as a result of it.

I‘d say the same if they announced they were going to give us a Merida restaurant, ride, and shop. Give us 3 new attractions and it’s a huge win for everyone, simply replacing Big Thunder Mountain, Pecos Bills, and a shop with a Merida theme would bring disappointment rather than excitement.

 

[mickEblu]

Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much

Disney is pushing Tiana but that doesn’t mean the movie wasn’t good or can’t make for a great attraction.

All of the following statements are true:

1. PatF didn’t do well in theaters and didn’t really resonate with the masses.
2. PatF is a good movie
3. It increased in popularity incrementally since it’s release
4. Disney is pushing Tiana hard post the events of 2020
5. PatF can make for a great attraction (but this ride isn’t really based on the movie and I don’t like what we’ve seen or heard.)

 

[MagicHappens1971]

it is too much… but it would be a whole lot more exciting if we were getting new additions to the parks rather than some reskins as a result of it.

I‘d say the same if they announced they were going to give us a Merida restaurant, ride, and shop. Give us 3 new attractions and it’s a huge win for everyone, simply replacing Big Thunder Mountain, Pecos Bills, and a shop with a Merida theme would bring disappointment rather than excitement.

However Tiana (her IP) is not at fault for the parks seeing less growth in recent years. Disney was going to retheme Splash, it was just a matter of time and IP they chose.

It's comparing apples to oranges... You don't have to be excited, but to say "it's too much", is a stretch...

 

[𝕴𝖒𝖆𝖌𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖊𝖗97]

Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much

PatF deserves better than retheming an old ride.

PatF doesn't deserve all it's getting. It's that simple.

 

[SpectreJordan]

I don't think using the initial box office results are a good justification tbh. There's a high chance that it's gained more popularity over the years.

Fantasia was a big bomb that severely hurt Disney at the time. No one would question Fantasia getting this style of treatment nowadays though.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

PatF deserves better than retheming an old ride.

If Frozen (the most commercially successful animated Disney franchise in recent years) only got a retheme, I don't see why this shocks anyone. I think that this retheme is going to be very well executed. With that being said, it is unlikely that Disney would've built a purpose built Tiana/PATF attraction otherwise. The ride system makes sense, and they were trying to boot out an old IP.

PatF doesn't deserve all it's getting. It's that simple.

So you would've proposed a B or C ticket get plopped down in MK?

 

[JoeCamel]

PatF deserves better than retheming an old ride.

PatF doesn't deserve all it's getting. It's that simple.

Sub Frozen and still true but they have a track record

 

[𝕴𝖒𝖆𝖌𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖊𝖗97]

If Frozen (the most commercially successful animated Disney franchise in recent years) only got a retheme, I don't see why this shocks anyone. I think that this retheme is going to be very well executed. With that being said, it is unlikely that Disney would've built a purpose built Tiana/PATF attraction otherwise. The ride system makes sense, and they were trying to boot out an old IP.

So you would've proposed a B or C ticket get plopped down in MK?

I think Frozen deserved something new, too. The ride they got makes no sense and only exists in that form because it was once Maelstrom (see Tokyo's ride).

I never said Tiana didn't deserve an E Ticket. My main point is that if it was going to get anything, it deserved something new. I loathe replacements.

 

[𝕴𝖒𝖆𝖌𝖎𝖓𝖊𝖊𝖗97]

Hey look at us actually having a discussion about this in the correct thread!