Why Does Disney Want MM+ So Much?

TubaGeek

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Let's try to keep this one on topic and civil as long as we can, folks...
What does Disney have to gain from MM+ that justifies the great expense? Even if and when it gets the bugs worked out and becomes the new standard, what financial reasons do they have to explain it?
I know it makes spending easier to do, not to mention the infamous merchandise, but that doesn't seem to justify the billions.
 

G00fyDad

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I think it has more to do with logistics. If Disney can see in "real time" or at least a far clearer picture exactly what the guests want, don't want, visit the most, visit the least, etc... then they can better utilize their revenue with park additions and subtractions. At least that is my theory anyway.
 

MaryJaneP

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$$$$$. Besides right-sizing their own offerings at the parks per exhibited guest preferences, it seems only logical that this database will be mined extensively for marketing purposes. All to boost Wall Street numbers. Oh yeah, and supposedly for the benefit of the guests.
 

aka_emilicious

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I would also argue the bands could potentially be used for better park crowd estimates (therefore better staffing estimates), better transportation estimates (people waiting at stops), and better crowd dispersion (redirecting crowds already in the park).

At least, this is how I would use the data.
 

luv

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1. They are trying to increase hotel occupancy. They're hoping that people will want those FPs enough to stay in their hotels. Uni's FOTL system worked very well for them and Disney is hoping that their system will work well for them.

2. They can close the parks earlier. No need for EMH when they have another perk for the hotel guests.

3. They can collect data on what you do, where you go and what you buy. This allows them to offer you discounts on things they think you can be be tempted to buy and it allows them to not offer discounts on things they think you'll buy without a discount. The info can also be sold to others.

4. It keeps you in their parks. They spread these things out and only allow one park per day. They don't want people using it to get in and out of their parks faster.

5. It lets them plan better. They have a better idea of how many people plan to visit the MK on the evening of June 3rd and can staff or not staff accordingly. They can attempt to draw crowds from one place to another.

6. Word is that people will spend more if they can use a band to pay instead of a credit card or cash.

7. It's cool, new technology. A lot of people think that if technology exists, they should use it. Being "behind the times" seems like a bad thing to them. This is especially true of people who don't have to pay for it themselves, lol.

That's everything I have heard or thought up. I think there is more to it.
 
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HouCuseChickie

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I think the ability to track a variety of patterns/trends/preferences is a big motivator, but it also seems to add a whole new dimension of streamlining the process. In theory, a more streamlined process should filter guests through more efficiently- which should also boost consumer purchasing potential. i.e. if MM+ reduces your time spent on line by even just 15-30 min each day, that's more time leftover for you to shop/buy snacks/etc.
 

Sped2424

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They only spend moolah on projects they know are going to return moolah no matter how negative the impact is for the guests, scenery or artistic integrity.
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darthspielberg

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Disneyland doesn't seem to want it for some odd reason..

Walt Disney Parks and Resorts have been pretty vocal about expanding it to other parks around the world if the final rollout goes well. Of course it keeps getting pushed back but if it gives Disney the results they want, expect to see it out in California in a few years.
 

ParentsOf4

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Sorry the below is a repost but it might be helpful in understanding how the decision to go with MyMagic+ (MM+) got made.

Disney CEO Bob Iger joined Disney in 1996 when Disney took over ABC. Like many CEOs, Iger has near dictatorial powers when it comes to making strategic decisions.

To understand why MM+ happened, you need to know what happened during Iger's tenure before the initiative now known as MM+ was launched. Iger had absolutely no theme park experience and his opinion of the business has been formed by what has happened since joining Disney.

In 1998, Disney opened the very expensive DAK. Expectations were high yet financial results did not match those expectations. DCA opened in 2001 and had similar disappointing results.

At that point, adding theme parks to existing facilities very much fell out of vogue. However, there still was a strong view under Eisner (Disney's CEO until 2005) that "something" needed to be done to keep guests coming so Disney spent several hundred million to build attractions (e.g. Mission Space, Soarin', Expedition Everest, Toy Story Mania, etc.). With the exception of Expedition Everest, none had any appreciable affect on attendance and even EE didn't help revenue; guests simply spent more time in DAK and less time at WDW's other parks. (WDW has a similar problem today with the New Fantasyland.)

By the time Iger took charge in 2005, new theme parks and new attractions represented old-school thinking. Iger, a Blue Ocean Strategy believer, wanted an innovative business solution.

What was a rousing financial success was Disney's Magical Express (DME). Launched in 2005, corporate Disney discovered that offering "free" bus service boosted revenue on a self-sustaining budget. (It's built into the price of the resorts). These captive guests spent more at WDW. Maybe, just maybe, the conventional wisdom went, the key to success was not traditional brick-and-motor investments but innovative business gimmicks.

Data at the time suggested Orlando tourism would be relatively flat for the foreseeable future. Thus, to grow business, Disney was going to have to figure out a way to get their deep-pocketed onsite guests to remain within the WDW bubble. Those were the ones spending the big dollars per day. Those were the high rollers corporate Disney wanted to chase.

New theme parks didn't boost WDW tourism, at least not enough to justify the cost. New attractions didn't have much effect financially. Yet something as simple as DME worked tremendously well. (By the way, so did targeting South American markets. It's these markets that have been slowly replacing declining domestic attendance.) With total Orlando tourism projected to be flat and with WDW having lots of deep-pocketed onsite guests spending their vacation money elsewhere, what could be done to boost revenue? Sure, prices could be raised (e.g. ticket prices up 25% in 3 years; food prices even more) but what else could be done? Higher prices only chased guests away. What else could Disney do to get their onsite guests to stay onsite?

Enter MM+.

MM+ represented the innovative thinking Iger so desperately wanted. MM+ was sold to corporate as a way to lengthen guest stays, reduce operating expense, and modernize WDWs antiquated systems. MM+ brought WDW into the 21st Century, something every Disney executive, who spends half their day with their heads buried in their smart phones, could appreciate.

DME got onsite guests to stay within the WDW bubble longer. The thinking was, so would MM+. After all, it was CFO Jay Rasulo who said to Wall Street, "So if we can get people to plan their vacation before they leave home, we know that we get more time with them. We get a bigger share of their wallet. So that's one thing for you guys to think about."

Remember, this was the same group that turned down Harry Potter at WDW. This is the group that has seen their MM+ budget more than double. To date, their theme park success has been based mostly on higher prices and good advertising in South America. Until the recent success of Carsland at DCA, this was the group that was essentially 0-fer at making smart theme park decisions. (Even Carsland was ramrodded through by Lasseter.)

At the time the decision was made to move forward with MM+, it seemed like a viable plan. Don't forget that it was conceived before the success of WWOHP and Carsland, before results suggested that the winning formula was to add well-themed and immersive lands, which is why, in the future, we'll get Avatar at DAK and Star Wars at DHS.

In hindsight, MM+ is beginning to look like a poor decision. Grossly overbudget, it's becoming Disney's albatross. Preliminary results suggest that large numbers dislike the preplanning and it will do little to discourage trips to other Orlando destinations. MM+ should result in some increased sales but not nearly enough to justify its investment and annual operating cost.

Financially, MM+ should not be a complete failure like John Carter but MM+ also won't be the golden goose it once was expected to be. WDW's numbers will be up in 2014. Not because of MM+ but from a slowly improving economy and an overflow of guests flocking to Orlando to see Diagon Alley.

A lot of Disney's most-senior executives have their names tied to MM+. They will continue to declare to anyone willing to listen that MM+ is a rousing success. However, internally, the view among some executives is MM+ is looking more and more like a dud.
 
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G00fyDad

Well-Known Member
Sorry the below is a repost but it might be helpful in understanding how the decision to go with MyMagic+ (MM+) got made.

Disney CEO Bob Iger joined Disney in 1996 when Disney took over ABC. Like many CEOs, Iger has near dictatorial powers when it comes to making strategic decisions.

To understand why MM+ happened, you need to know what happened during Iger's tenure before the initiative now known as MM+ was launched. Iger had absolutely no theme park experience and his opinion of the business has been formed by what has happened since joining Disney.

In 1998, Disney opened the very expensive DAK. Expectations were high yet financial results did not match those expectations. DCA opened in 2001 and had similar disappointing results.

At that point, adding theme parks to existing facilities very much fell out of vogue. However, there still was a strong view under Eisner (Disney's CEO until 2005) that "something" needed to be done to keep guests coming so Disney spent several hundred million to build attractions (e.g. Mission Space, Soarin', Expedition Everest, Toy Story Mania, etc.). With the exception of Expedition Everest, none had any appreciable affect on attendance and even EE didn't help revenue; guests simply spent more time in DAK and less time at WDW's other parks. (WDW has a similar problem today with the New Fantasyland.)

By the time Iger took charge in 2005, new theme parks and new attractions represented old-school thinking. Iger, a Blue Ocean Strategy believer, wanted an innovative business solution.

What was a rousing financial success was Disney's Magical Express (DME). Launched in 2005, corporate Disney discovered that offering "free" bus service boosted revenue on a self-sustaining budget (it's built into the price of the resorts). These captive guests spent more at WDW. Maybe, just maybe, the conventional wisdom went, the key to success was not traditional brick-and-motor investments but innovative business gimmicks.

Data at the time suggested Orlando tourism would be relatively flat for the foreseeable future. Thus, to grow business, Disney was going to have to figure out a way to get their deep-pocketed onsite guests to remain within the WDW bubble. Those were the ones spending the big dollars per day. Those were the high rollers corporate Disney wanted to chase.

New theme parks didn't boost WDW tourism, at least not enough to justify the cost. New attractions didn't have much effect financially. Yet something as simple as DME worked tremendously well. (By the way, so did targeting South American markets. It's these markets that have been slowly replacing declining domestic attendance.) With total Orlando tourism projected to be flat and with WDW having lots of deep-pocketed onsite guests spending their vacation money elsewhere, what could be done to boost revenue? Sure, prices could be raised (e.g. ticket prices up 25% in 3 years; food prices even more) but what else could be done? Higher prices only chased guests away. What else could Disney do to get their onsite guests to stay onsite?

Enter MM+.

MM+ represented the innovative thinking Iger so desperately wanted. MM+ was sold to corporate as a way to lengthen guest stays, reduce operating expense, and modernize WDWs antiquated systems. MM+ brought WDW into the 21st Century, something every Disney executive, who spends half their day with their heads buried in their smart phones, could appreciate.

DME got onsite guests to stay within the WDW bubble longer. The thinking was, so would MM+. After all, it was CFO Jay Rasulo who said to Wall Street, "So if we can get people to plan their vacation before they leave home, we know that we get more time with them. We get a bigger share of their wallet. So that's one thing for you guys to think about."

Remember, this was the same group that turned down Harry Potter at WDW. This is the group that has seen their NextGen budget more than double. To date, their theme park success has been based mostly on higher prices and good advertising in South America. Until the recent success of Carsland at DCA, this was the group that was essentially 0-fer at making smart theme park decisions. (Even Carsland was ramrodded through by Lasseter.)
At the time the decision was made to move forward with MM+, it seemed like a viable plan. Don't forget that it was conceived before the success of WWOHP and Carsland, before results suggested that the winning formula was to add well-themed and immersive lands, which is why, in the future, we'll get Avatar at DAK and Star Wars at DHS.

In hindsight, MM+ is beginning to look like a poor decision. Grossly overbudget, it's becoming Disney's albatross. Preliminary results suggest that large numbers dislike the preplanning and it will do little to discourage trips to other Orlando destinations. MM+ should result in some increased sales but not nearly enough to justify its investment and annual operating cost.

Financially, MM+ should not be a complete failure like John Carter but MM+ also won't be the golden goose it once was expected to be. WDW's numbers will be up in 2014. Not because of MM+ but from a slowly improving economy and the overflow of guests flocking to Orlando to see Diagon Alley.

A lot of Disney's most-senior executives have their names tied to MM+. They will continue to declare to anyone willing to listen that MM+ is a rousing success. However, internally, the view among some executives is MM+ is looking more and more like a dud.

I hated to "like" this post because it is negative about MM+, which I LOVE btw, but it is also so very true. It is obvious to anyone that looks at the system that it is not performing to the standards Disney expected. I, and many others think that it works very well, but it is not the massive golden egg they were expecting.
 

copcarguyp71

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MM+ and its ilk (180 day ADR's, FP, etc) are in part the reason we bagged our trip for next year and others in the foreseeable future. It is not any one thing though but rather a systemic attitude of corporate greed over guest experience. WDW is in fact in business to make money and not magic, I get that but you cannot have success and profit without supplying the magic that keeps the addiction going and people forking over greenbacks with flagrant disregard...which is what they seek.
 
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disneyflush

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The odds of this entire project ever receiving a firm date for complete roll out is tiny. There is zero upside in establishing a date of this kind for Disney and tons of reasons to keep extending the testings/evaluation phase indefinitely.
 

Uncle Remus

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If you ever heard of"Mark of the Beast" or "The End Times", I would connect MM+ to that.
Whenever someone refers to anything as the "Mark of the Beast" I ask them if they have a social security number.......and then it hits them.

Anyone staying at a resort, going to a park and buying merchandise with a debit/credit card is already being tracked electronically.

Just think of it as "Mark of the Beauty and the Beast"
 

Bairstow

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Disneyland doesn't seem to want it for some odd reason..

Probably because most Disneyland guests are not there for extended visits, and the resort isn't having to handle 4 theme parks and about 30 resorts and the subsequent transportation system to connect them across 30,000 acres.
There simply isn't as much logistical work to be done, either from Disneyland's point of view or its guests'.
 

Tonka's Skipper

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This is not just intended for just WDW or DLR, it is intended to be used at all parks, world wide, and resorts, tie in the DCL, stage show sales, Disney store sales, etc...etc.......etc.......

You can bet when the bugs are worked out all parks and entertainment giants will be using it in some form or another.

AKK
 

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