The Spirited Seventh Heaven ...

Mike S

Well-Known Member
There are many ways to judge WDW. Some are subjective, resulting in endless debate.

One less subjective way is to look at WDW as a business. As a business, is WDW being run as effectively as in the past?

In their annual reports and SEC filings, Disney does not break down the financials by resort. However, since WDW represents more than half of Parks & Resorts (P&R) revenue, the published P&R numbers generally reflect what’s happening at WDW. These numbers are consistent with the limited numbers that Disney reports for domestic P&R. (Domestic P&R is 80% of P&R’s business, while WDW is about 80% of that.)

Looking at the numbers, it’s apparent that despite successes elsewhere, Disney’s leadership under CEO Bob Iger has made some poor decisions in P&R.

There are many ways to evaluate leadership’s effectiveness but, generally, gross margin is a good measurement of management’s overall performance, especially when compared with prior performance within that same company. Is current management making things better or worse than previous management?

Furthermore, it’s relatively easy for a company to boost short-term profitability by making bad long-term decisions. In order to consider whether leadership is making the right strategic decisions, it’s necessary to examine trends over multiple years.

Corporate Disney’s average gross margin under Iger is 21.3%, up from former CEO Michael Eisner’s 19.0%. This margin demonstrates that Iger has been an effective leader for Disney as a whole.

However, the situation is reversed in P&R. Eisner’s average P&R gross margin is 50% higher than Iger’s (22.0% vs. 14.7%).

Iger has been CEO for 8 full fiscal years. He is close to finishing his ninth year. As it so happens, his P&R margins fit neatly into 3 distinct periods of 3 years each.

For Iger’s first 3 years, P&R’s margin averaged 16.0%.

From 2009 to 2011, P&R’s average margin dropped to 12.9%.

Since 2011, Iger’s P&R margin has been climbing and, depending how the current fiscal quarter finishes, should finish back above 16% for the most recent 3-year period.

What gives?

Eisner’s organization produced strong P&R margins throughout his 21 years as CEO. Even during the horrendous post-9/11 period which decimated the tourist industry, Eisner managed an average 15.6% margin.

By comparison, Iger’s 12.9% margin from 2009 to 2011 represents a historic low for the company.

What Eisner did throughout his tenure was invest in P&R. Eisner’s annual P&R capital expenditures as a percentage of P&R revenue averaged 50% higher that Iger’s, resulting in consistently better margins, even during the most difficult economic times.

Boosted by Eisner’s higher P&R investments during his last years as CEO, P&R revenue increased an average of 8.5% during Iger’s first 3 years. As a result, P&R margin averaged 16.0%. After that, the P&R margin plummeted.

When Iger took charge in late 2005, he immediately slashed P&R investments. P&R capex was cut from $1.4B (Eisner’s last year) to $0.9B (Iger’s first year). It would be one thing if it were a one-year blip. However, P&R capex remained low for 3 years.

For amusement parks, capex is what drives future growth. The money spent this year pays for the new attraction next year.

In Disney’s case, projects take multiple years to develop. Thus, when Iger reduced capex from 2006 to 2008, it wasn’t until 2009 to 2011 that its effects were felt.

Some might blame a recession. However, it’s important to recognize that WDW and DLR attendance increased slightly during this period, so blaming the falling performance on a recession is a red herring. Throughout its history, P&R has reported strong margins during numerous economic downturns.

More recently, Universal reported impressive margins in 2010 and 2011 after the opening of WWOHP, which happens to coincide with the period when Disney’s P&R margins cratered. Universal invested in the right product and was rewarded for it.

Investing in the right product improves profitability regardless of business climate.

Except during the most dire circumstances (such as the Great Depression), consumers will spend when offered the right product. Profits can be adversely affected by a poor economy but, nearly always, a company will experience better profits by investing than by halting investment.

There are legitimate reasons to reduce investments. However, for a company like Disney with tremendous financial resources to weather the worst economic storms, reducing investment has avoidable negative consequences.

With Disney’s P&R capex budget slashed from 2006 to 2008, few brick & mortar projects were started. As a result, consumers from 2009 to 2011 had fewer reasons to purchase Disney’s P&R products at Disney’s P&R prices.

Without any appreciable P&R content added, Disney was forced to offer steep discounts to keep attendance up. These discounts hurt revenue which, in turn, hurt margins.

Iger’s decision to reduce P&R investments in 2006-2008 hurt P&R’s profitability in 2009-2011.

Beginning in 2009, Iger started increasing P&R investments. He approved a complete redo of DCA, the New Fantasyland, and MyMagic+. He approved 2 new cruise ships. As these new projects completed, the P&R margin began to improve. It was 15.8% in 2013 and is climbing further in 2014. Depending on how the last quarter of the fiscal year finishes, it might reach 18% for 2014, Iger’s best ever.

Investing in Cars Land and the New Fantasyland helped boost margins.

Investing in theme parks supports higher prices, improves attendance, and leads to increased consumer spending.

It’s really simple. Build something people want to buy and they buy it. Offer last year’s product at this year’s prices and discounts become necessary.

This is not rocket science.

A company needs to invest in itself if it wants to improve profitability. Cutting investments today hurts sales tomorrow.

With WDW generating more than half of P&R’s revenue, corporate Disney needs to invest in WDW.

Unfortunately, it appears that Iger has repeated his earlier mistake. P&R’s domestic investments for 2013 and 2014 will be less than half what they were in 2011 and 2012.

Although Iger has invested internationally in Shanghai, domestic investments are down to 2006-2008 levels.

Some exciting times lie ahead for WDW, but did it really need to take 9 years to figure this out?
Great post ParentsOf4, as usual.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
But as RsoxNo1 pointed out, even the non-ip areas of Disney have references/easter eggs that you need some prior reference to understand. For example the names on the windows on Main Street are a nice detail to the average guest, but you have to know that history of Disney to truly understand what the names represent. Haunted Mansion is another example, anyone can enjoy it, but it's even cooler if you know the back story which isn't ever directly explained to the rider.
The names on Main Street, USA are not something you need to understand. Knowing that they are Disney employees removes one from the setting of there experience, an American town in the early 20th century. Towns are populated and names are around, that is what makes the names details, because they fill in a minor gap between the real and the fake. Nothing about the small town or The Haunted Mansion as a themed experience is gained by knowing that these names are fake.
 

DisUniversal

Well-Known Member
The names on Main Street, USA are not something you need to understand. Knowing that they are Disney employees removes one from the setting of there experience, an American town in the early 20th century. Towns are populated and names are around, that is what makes the names details, because they fill in a minor gap between the real and the fake. Nothing about the small town or The Haunted Mansion as a themed experience is gained by knowing that these names are fake.
You don't need to have seen the HP movies (or read the books) in order to fully enjoy Diagon Alley either. There is as much to be gained from discovery and experiencing the unfamiliar as there is in observing recreations of the familiar.
 

parker4fm

Active Member
I know some may not like this idea, in fact, I'm not a fan myself, but if the Pixar area gets expanded, I think it will have a few more kid friendly rides. I just hope they are new ideas instead of Toy Story. DHS is lacking rides as a whole, but kid rides in general. I do not want to see Cars either. Keep it in DCA to keep DCA unique!

I'm okay with the Honey Playland going away as well!
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
You don't need to have seen the HP movies (or read the books) in order to fully enjoy Diagon Alley either. There is as much to be gained from discovery and experiencing the unfamiliar as there is in observing recreations of the familiar.
That's because the Wizarding World of Harry Potter was, for the most part, designed as a total, stand alone experience that focused on the world and not specific characters or plot points.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
There are many ways to judge WDW. Some are subjective, resulting in endless debate.

One less subjective way is to look at WDW as a business. As a business, is WDW being run as effectively as in the past?

In their annual reports and SEC filings, Disney does not break down the financials by resort. However, since WDW represents more than half of Parks & Resorts (P&R) revenue, the published P&R numbers generally reflect what’s happening at WDW. These numbers are consistent with the limited numbers that Disney reports for domestic P&R. (Domestic P&R is 80% of P&R’s business, while WDW is about 80% of that.)

Looking at the numbers, it’s apparent that despite successes elsewhere, Disney’s leadership under CEO Bob Iger has made some poor decisions in P&R.

There are many ways to evaluate leadership’s effectiveness but, generally, gross margin is a good measurement of management’s overall performance, especially when compared with prior performance within that same company. Is current management making things better or worse than previous management?

Furthermore, it’s relatively easy for a company to boost short-term profitability by making bad long-term decisions. In order to consider whether leadership is making the right strategic decisions, it’s necessary to examine trends over multiple years.

Corporate Disney’s average gross margin under Iger is 21.3%, up from former CEO Michael Eisner’s 19.0%. This margin demonstrates that Iger has been an effective leader for Disney as a whole.

However, the situation is reversed in P&R. Eisner’s average P&R gross margin is 50% higher than Iger’s (22.0% vs. 14.7%).

Iger has been CEO for 8 full fiscal years. He is close to finishing his ninth year. As it so happens, his P&R margins fit neatly into 3 distinct periods of 3 years each.

For Iger’s first 3 years, P&R’s margin averaged 16.0%.

From 2009 to 2011, P&R’s average margin dropped to 12.9%.

Since 2011, Iger’s P&R margin has been climbing and, depending how the current fiscal quarter finishes, should finish back above 16% for the most recent 3-year period.

What gives?

Eisner’s organization produced strong P&R margins throughout his 21 years as CEO. Even during the horrendous post-9/11 period which decimated the tourist industry, Eisner managed an average 15.6% margin.

By comparison, Iger’s 12.9% margin from 2009 to 2011 represents a historic low for the company.

What Eisner did throughout his tenure was invest in P&R. Eisner’s annual P&R capital expenditures as a percentage of P&R revenue averaged 50% higher that Iger’s, resulting in consistently better margins, even during the most difficult economic times.

Boosted by Eisner’s higher P&R investments during his last years as CEO, P&R revenue increased an average of 8.5% during Iger’s first 3 years. As a result, P&R margin averaged 16.0%. After that, the P&R margin plummeted.

When Iger took charge in late 2005, he immediately slashed P&R investments. P&R capex was cut from $1.4B (Eisner’s last year) to $0.9B (Iger’s first year). It would be one thing if it were a one-year blip. However, P&R capex remained low for 3 years.

For amusement parks, capex is what drives future growth. The money spent this year pays for the new attraction next year.

In Disney’s case, projects take multiple years to develop. Thus, when Iger reduced capex from 2006 to 2008, it wasn’t until 2009 to 2011 that its effects were felt.

Some might blame a recession. However, it’s important to recognize that WDW and DLR attendance increased slightly during this period, so blaming the falling performance on a recession is a red herring. Throughout its history, P&R has reported strong margins during numerous economic downturns.

More recently, Universal reported impressive margins in 2010 and 2011 after the opening of WWOHP, which happens to coincide with the period when Disney’s P&R margins cratered. Universal invested in the right product and was rewarded for it.

Investing in the right product improves profitability regardless of business climate.

Except during the most dire circumstances (such as the Great Depression), consumers will spend when offered the right product. Profits can be adversely affected by a poor economy but, nearly always, a company will experience better profits by investing than by halting investment.

There are legitimate reasons to reduce investments. However, for a company like Disney with tremendous financial resources to weather the worst economic storms, reducing investment results in avoidable negative consequences.

With Disney’s P&R capex budget slashed from 2006 to 2008, few brick & mortar projects were started. As a result, consumers from 2009 to 2011 had fewer reasons to purchase Disney’s P&R products at Disney’s P&R prices.

Without any appreciable P&R content added, Disney was forced to offer steep discounts to keep attendance up. These discounts hurt revenue which, in turn, hurt margins.

Iger’s decision to reduce P&R investments in 2006-2008 hurt P&R’s profitability in 2009-2011.

Beginning in 2009, Iger started increasing P&R investments. He approved a complete redo of DCA, the New Fantasyland, and MyMagic+. He approved 2 new cruise ships. As these new projects completed, the P&R margin began to improve. It was 15.8% in 2013 and is climbing further in 2014. Depending on how the last quarter of the fiscal year finishes, it might reach 18% for 2014, Iger’s best ever.

Investing in Cars Land and the New Fantasyland helped boost margins.

Investing in theme parks supports higher prices, improves attendance, and leads to increased consumer spending.

It’s really simple. Build something people want to buy and they buy it. Offer last year’s product at this year’s prices and discounts become necessary.

This is not rocket science.

A company needs to invest in itself if it wants to improve profitability. Cutting investments today hurts sales tomorrow.

With WDW generating more than half of P&R’s revenue, corporate Disney needs to invest in WDW.

Unfortunately, it appears that Iger has repeated his earlier mistake. P&R’s domestic investments for 2013 and 2014 will be less than half what they were in 2011 and 2012.

Although Iger has invested internationally in Shanghai, domestic investments are down to 2006-2008 levels.

Some exciting times lie ahead for WDW but did it really need to take 9 years to figure this out?

Some days, I wonder if you're really Michael Eisner ;-)
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
There are many ways to judge WDW. Some are subjective, resulting in endless debate.

One less subjective way is to look at WDW as a business. As a business, is WDW being run as effectively as in the past?

In their annual reports and SEC filings, Disney does not break down the financials by resort. However, since WDW represents more than half of Parks & Resorts (P&R) revenue, the published P&R numbers generally reflect what’s happening at WDW. These numbers are consistent with the limited numbers that Disney reports for domestic P&R. (Domestic P&R is 80% of P&R’s business, while WDW is about 80% of that.)

Looking at the numbers, it’s apparent that despite successes elsewhere, Disney’s leadership under CEO Bob Iger has made some poor decisions in P&R.

There are many ways to evaluate leadership’s effectiveness but, generally, gross margin is a good measurement of management’s overall performance, especially when compared with prior performance within that same company. Is current management making things better or worse than previous management?

Furthermore, it’s relatively easy for a company to boost short-term profitability by making bad long-term decisions. In order to consider whether leadership is making the right strategic decisions, it’s necessary to examine trends over multiple years.

Corporate Disney’s average gross margin under Iger is 21.3%, up from former CEO Michael Eisner’s 19.0%. This margin demonstrates that Iger has been an effective leader for Disney as a whole.

However, the situation is reversed in P&R. Eisner’s average P&R gross margin is 50% higher than Iger’s (22.0% vs. 14.7%).

Iger has been CEO for 8 full fiscal years. He is close to finishing his ninth year. As it so happens, his P&R margins fit neatly into 3 distinct periods of 3 years each.

For Iger’s first 3 years, P&R’s margin averaged 16.0%.

From 2009 to 2011, P&R’s average margin dropped to 12.9%.

Since 2011, Iger’s P&R margin has been climbing and, depending how the current fiscal quarter finishes, should finish back above 16% for the most recent 3-year period.

What gives?

Eisner’s organization produced strong P&R margins throughout his 21 years as CEO. Even during the horrendous post-9/11 period which decimated the tourist industry, Eisner managed an average 15.6% margin.

By comparison, Iger’s 12.9% margin from 2009 to 2011 represents a historic low for the company.

What Eisner did throughout his tenure was invest in P&R. Eisner’s annual P&R capital expenditures as a percentage of P&R revenue averaged 50% higher that Iger’s, resulting in consistently better margins, even during the most difficult economic times.

Boosted by Eisner’s higher P&R investments during his last years as CEO, P&R revenue increased an average of 8.5% during Iger’s first 3 years. As a result, P&R margin averaged 16.0%. After that, the P&R margin plummeted.

When Iger took charge in late 2005, he immediately slashed P&R investments. P&R capex was cut from $1.4B (Eisner’s last year) to $0.9B (Iger’s first year). It would be one thing if it were a one-year blip. However, P&R capex remained low for 3 years.

For amusement parks, capex is what drives future growth. The money spent this year pays for the new attraction next year.

In Disney’s case, projects take multiple years to develop. Thus, when Iger reduced capex from 2006 to 2008, it wasn’t until 2009 to 2011 that its effects were felt.

Some might blame a recession. However, it’s important to recognize that WDW and DLR attendance increased slightly during this period, so blaming the falling performance on a recession is a red herring. Throughout its history, P&R has reported strong margins during numerous economic downturns.

More recently, Universal reported impressive margins in 2010 and 2011 after the opening of WWOHP, which happens to coincide with the period when Disney’s P&R margins cratered. Universal invested in the right product and was rewarded for it.

Investing in the right product improves profitability regardless of business climate.

Except during the most dire circumstances (such as the Great Depression), consumers will spend when offered the right product. Profits can be adversely affected by a poor economy but, nearly always, a company will experience better profits by investing than by halting investment.

There are legitimate reasons to reduce investments. However, for a company like Disney with tremendous financial resources to weather the worst economic storms, reducing investment results in avoidable negative consequences.

With Disney’s P&R capex budget slashed from 2006 to 2008, few brick & mortar projects were started. As a result, consumers from 2009 to 2011 had fewer reasons to purchase Disney’s P&R products at Disney’s P&R prices.

Without any appreciable P&R content added, Disney was forced to offer steep discounts to keep attendance up. These discounts hurt revenue which, in turn, hurt margins.

Iger’s decision to reduce P&R investments in 2006-2008 hurt P&R’s profitability in 2009-2011.

Beginning in 2009, Iger started increasing P&R investments. He approved a complete redo of DCA, the New Fantasyland, and MyMagic+. He approved 2 new cruise ships. As these new projects completed, the P&R margin began to improve. It was 15.8% in 2013 and is climbing further in 2014. Depending on how the last quarter of the fiscal year finishes, it might reach 18% for 2014, Iger’s best ever.

Investing in Cars Land and the New Fantasyland helped boost margins.

Investing in theme parks supports higher prices, improves attendance, and leads to increased consumer spending.

It’s really simple. Build something people want to buy and they buy it. Offer last year’s product at this year’s prices and discounts become necessary.

This is not rocket science.

A company needs to invest in itself if it wants to improve profitability. Cutting investments today hurts sales tomorrow.

With WDW generating more than half of P&R’s revenue, corporate Disney needs to invest in WDW.

Unfortunately, it appears that Iger has repeated his earlier mistake. P&R’s domestic investments for 2013 and 2014 will be less than half what they were in 2011 and 2012.

Although Iger has invested internationally in Shanghai, domestic investments are down to 2006-2008 levels.

Some exciting times lie ahead for WDW but did it really need to take 9 years to figure this out?
Your posts are great, but I can't help but feel like you are beating a dead horse on this whole "Iger doesn't spend" thing at this point.

If someone doesn't get it by now, they haven't been paying attention. And tbh, I don't have time to read your posts (which seem like they get longer every time) anymore. So I dont.

My point is, we get it. Beat a different drum. Give me something I actually care to read about if you are going to spend all that time writing those posts. Find some other numbers to tell me about.

I expect to get a ton of hate about this post, so bring it on I suppose.
 
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Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Your posts are great, but I can't help but feel like you are beating a dead horse on this whole "Iger doesn't spend" thing at this point.

If someone doesn't get it by now, they haven't been paying attention. And tbh, I don't have time to read your posts (which seem like they get longer every time) anymore. So I dont.

My point is, we get it. Beat a different drum. Give me something I actually care to read about if you are going to spend all that time writing those posts. Find some other numbers to tell me about.
Cause I'm sure he writes them just for you! I don't think the world will end if you decide not to read his posts, but, some of the rest of us do read and see the reality to them.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
Cause I'm sure he writes them just for you! I don't think the world will end if you decide not to read his posts, but, some of the rest of us do read and see the reality to them.
Im sure he does! I think I actually stated specifically in the post that I DON'T (I try but just can't do it) read the posts, so obviously the world hasn't ended yet.

My point being, while many obviously enjoy it, it's the same thing over and over and over...
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
If you haven't read it how do you know that? Just curious!
I also stated in the posts that I USED to read his posts all the time... until it got to be the same thing all the time. Obviously you didn't read my post!

And when I say I don't read, I mean I don't read the whole freakin essay. I get the gist of it most of the time. And every time it's pretty much the same thing.
 

CDavid

Well-Known Member
I also stated in the posts that I USED to read his posts all the time... until it got to be the same thing all the time. Obviously you didn't read my post!

And when I say I don't read, I mean I don't read the whole freakin essay. I get the gist of it most of the time. And every time it's pretty much the same thing.

I'm not aware of a forum rule which requires anyone to read every post in the thread, so you can just skip over things which don't interest you. Still, if it is not a topic you find of interest - or on which you have something to contribute - why waste even more time discussing it than it would have taken for a thorough reading?

That said, if some posts did qualify as required reading, @ParentsOf4 should be near the top of the list.
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
I'm not aware of a forum rule which requires anyone to read every post in the thread, so you can just skip over things which don't interest you. Still, if it is not a topic you find of interest - or on which you have something to contribute - why waste even more time discussing it than it would have taken for a thorough reading?

That said, if some posts did qualify as required reading, @ParentsOf4 should be near the top of the list.
Maybe 3-4 months ago they did. Now it's just rehashing the same thing he's been saying for months over and over.

And I do skip over it. So there's that.
 

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