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[LittleBuford]

That particular poster has some weirdly intense dislike of Disney and seem to be an evangelist for that cause. The logic according to which they criticise Disney changes to suit the particular thread, but they've made it clear they prefer basically every other theme and amusement park out there and have spent a lot of time trying to convince Disney fans they should too. The "love" reaction to every post forecasting rough times ahead for Disney is completely in character.

Horses for courses, as we say in the UK.

As someone whose love of WDW is based on a passion for Disney as opposed to any fondness for amusement parks as a general category, I’m immune to any conversion efforts!

 

[GimpYancIent]

I disagree…but don’t want to tangent on why…

I’ll just say: who said anything about Anaheim?!?

Ok, Ok, Ok, it goes without saying.

 

[Club34]

It may feel like a culture war to you, but to me, it’s about the basic human right to be able to tell a child that my partner of ten years is a man without fearing that a bigoted parent will report me for supposedly trying to indoctrinate their offspring. Either that or we ask straight people too never to talk about their spouses to other people’s children.

Your point is well taken. I don't think you and I are on opposite sides of this which is why I am not in favor of this legislation as it stands (precisely as you put it above). I simply pointing out that there is legitimacy to families having say so in their kids' education. That idea has merit. I think this 'policy' is being presented as this but to me (and I'm assuming you) there is something else baked in. Say nothing of the actual words/past histories of the political figures championing it. Put another another way, if folks from all walks had worked together, there could have been protection for parents having educational oversight of their kids without setting the table for going backwards/unnecessary vulnerabilities for LGBTQ communities. The part that feels culture war-ish to me (and apologies if that came off flippantly) is that this policy is same political rally poop that we have seen all too much over the past few years. It's done to elicit a response from both sides of the political spectrum. It's tearing everyone apart. Disney has now become the face of the opposition whether they intended to be or not.

Although, to your last sentence...I do have to endure some rather unpleasant heteroness from folks at work that, although meaning well, I would rather not know about. I mean, just get a divorce already.

 

[Goofyernmost]

semantics

and that too has no place near my kid in class

If parents were responsible enough to discuss this stuff with their children, the schools wouldn't even have to teach them anything about it. But, they thought it is easier to let someone else do it. Even then sex wasn't being taught to 5 year old's. That is just another lie that people are swallowing. And when someone tells them the logical truth they don't believe it. We are a nation of lazy people that don't want to think for themselves so they listen to crisis sellers.

 

[RunningKoen]

what sexaulity talk is there to discuss to a 5 year old??????

answer: nothing, zilch, nada


adult themes such as sex/sex preference talk and 5 year olds don't mix

bye bye

Adult themes and 5 years old do mix. As these kids observe the adult lives of their close relatives, they get the first insights in a almost all adult theme's: death and live, birth, affection, hate, money - wealth - poorness.


Any theme that is part of the current society will mix with kids. (I have a bachelof of education for the record )

 

[DRJ]

In an apparent stand off with The Walt Disney Company, some Florida legislators are meeting to discuss the possibility of removing the Reedy Creek Improvement District and stripping Disney of its semi self government status. This is as Disney says they are working to have a new law struck down passed by the Governor this week.

The 1967 act allowed Disney to create the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the self-described purpose being “to support and administer certain aspects of the economic development and tourism within District boundaries.” The creation of the district means Walt Disney World and other landowners pay for local essential services like water, electricity, fire protection, and emergency medical services instead of local taxpayers.

Years past, Disney attempted to refrain from politics. Unfortunately, they involved themselves and publicly took a side. Disney should never be involved in politics. They are a company who caters to a wide variety of individuals from both sides of the political spectrum. Why alienate half of your populous and state officials? Chapek (Paycheck) is reviled by most cast members...perhaps he should have addressed the employees by stating he supports Gay rights, etc and called it a day. If one actually reads the bill, it's not unreasonable and never states or insinuates "Don't say gay" .

 

[RunningKoen]

Congratulations on the degree. A quote from your thesis? Your analysis is questionable.

No, actual experience. Internships included, I've been teaching for over 12 years. So keep the tone down, please.

For example: a dying grandparent or pet. A jobless parent and a kid with little food during the breaks. The birth of lambs etc. every spring. But also a female teacher being pregnant. You name it.

Even the simple things as different bathrooms for boys and girls. Or why you have to keep certain clothes on. Some kids have had a kinda ' free' situation at home. Kids have to learn everything, so they are curious about everything and will ask anything. The list of 'weird' of ' funny' questions is endless. Some of them are sex related. A school is probably their biggest social network for a long period of their early lives, and gives so much more possible new situations than at home.

It's not just questions, but also behavior. We've had kids who unintentionally found ways to 'pleasure' themselves, because the feeling is nice. Kids have no idea what is right or wrong, what is appropriate or not. That after all, is nothing but a social standard.

 

[flynnibus]

"Retaliation" under Title VII is a statutorily created cause of action. There's no "retaliation" cause of action created by the 1st Amendment; a government action is either constitutional or unconstitutional under the 1st Amendment.

Thank god we have the courts to spell that out.

The basis of the proection gov employees get under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 comes from the court interpretation of what retaliation is under the first amendment. That’s why these civil rights cases are important references to the court’s view of the 1a even under these constrained conditions such as employment.

You are basically trying to say retaliation isn’t prohibited by the 1a because it’s not explicit- and the courts have long disagreed with your belief

 

[Club34]

"Rerail" I like that term. Too bad there is no time out or going to neutral corners to cool off. The Disney business model is going to be modified as is the County's management of it's jurisdiction. So "rerail" is very descriptive.

Well, I think there is a lot of unknown. This eventually could go nowhere, the RCID stays as is, and we get a full 5th gate in our lifetimes . But at worst, it could, *could* be the beginning of the end for Disney as we know it. Others, and I have piggy-backed, have wondered if this situation (in a worst case scenario) bring back the notion of Disney licensing the parks/resorts. Let some one else deal with the local politics and the monumental task of managing this "world". The mouse can kick back and just collect a check. That will spell the end of Disney World**. I would think (and I could be wrong) there is no way a party would be able to draw a worthwhile profit from WDW while paying for the Disney brand without making the WDW experience pretty bad in terms of prices/quality/upkeep/expansion (say nothing of how they will pay the folks to work there).

**EDIT: I would add that this could potentially be a loss for the LGBTQ community given what Disney has meant to them in terms of support in many facets. The tentacles of this are much longer than on first glance.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Congratulations on the degree. A quote from your thesis? Your analysis is questionable.

If I'm not wrong, that poster is from The Netherlands where I am also living, but as an expat. One of the things I like about the country is that they are a lot more rational and forthright on these kinds of issues rather than tying themselves in knots over what can be taught in what language at what age to whom. It's not surprising that same sex marriage was first legalised here as other countries kept fighting about it... only for it to be eventually approved in these other countries and people figured out the world as they knew it didn't actually end.

I think in the US there is a tendency to view Europe as left-wing and socialist, but I'd say the Netherlands is more libertarian than anything, it's just that they're relatively consistent in extending that to social issues. I've certainly never come across an analogous situation where the Dutch government intervened to retaliate against a company for expressing an opinion on an issue.

 

[flynnibus]

Disney should never be involved in politics

Disney is a company of over 70k employees- you think they should not advocate for their employees at all?

 

[RunningKoen]

If I'm not wrong, that poster is from The Netherlands where I am also living, but as an expat. One of the things I like about the country is that there are a lot more rational and forthright on these kinds of issues rather than tying themselves in knots over what can be taught in what language at what age to whom. It's not surprising that same sex marriage was first legalised here as other countries kept fighting about it... only for it to be approved and people figuring out the world as they knew it didn't actually end.

I think in the US there is a tendency to view Europe as left-wing and socialist, but I'd say the Netherlands is more libertarian than anything, it's just that they're relatively consistent in extending that to social issues.

I am.

Dealing with death and mourning for kids was a mandatory minor subject for me, just to prove how our view on adult themes and (little) kids is.

The (first) exposure to adult themes, even for little kids, is a big part of the general role a school has, imho.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

I am.

Dealing with death and mourning for kids was a mandatory minor subject for me, just to prove how our view on adult themes and (little) kids is.

The (first) exposure to adult themes, even for little kids, is a big part of the general role a school has, imho.

Very interesting! It makes a lot of sense to me as you really can't completely isolate kids from the world in which they live, including from adult themes such as death.

 

[GimpYancIent]

No, actual experience. Internships included, I've been teaching for over 12 years. So keep the tone down, please.

For example: a dying grandparent or pet. A jobless parent and a kid with little food during the breaks. The birth of lambs etc. every spring. But also a female teacher being pregnant. You name it.

Even the simple things as different bathrooms for boys and girls. Or why you have to keep certain clothes on. Some kids have had a kinda ' free' situation at home. Kids have to learn everything, so they are curious about everything and will ask anything. The list of 'weird' of ' funny' questions is endless. Some of them are sex related. A school is probably their biggest social network for a long period of their early lives, and gives so much more possible new situations than at home.

It's not just questions, but also behavior. We've had kids who unintentionally found ways to 'pleasure' themselves, because the feeling is nice. Kids have no idea what is right or wrong, what is appropriate or not. That after all, is nothing but a social standard.

Agree, which is why there is such importance and responsibility working with children during those early years. Interesting how too many so called grown ups, adults, do not recollect that time frame of their lives very well.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Years past, Disney attempted to refrain from politics. Unfortunately, they involved themselves and publicly took a side. Disney should never be involved in politics. They are a company who caters to a wide variety of individuals from both sides of the political spectrum. Why alienate half of your populous and state officials? Chapek (Paycheck) is reviled by most cast members...perhaps he should have addressed the employees by stating he supports Gay rights, etc and called it a day. If one actually reads the bill, it's not unreasonable and never states or insinuates "Don't say gay" .

We are talking about reedy creek not the bill you’re referencing

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

DeSantis was on Fox last night gloating.

Might want to read a little closer as to what I was referring to…

 

[Figgy1]

Years past, Disney attempted to refrain from politics. Unfortunately, they involved themselves and publicly took a side. Disney should never be involved in politics. They are a company who caters to a wide variety of individuals from both sides of the political spectrum. Why alienate half of your populous and state officials? Chapek (Paycheck) is reviled by most cast members...perhaps he should have addressed the employees by stating he supports Gay rights, etc and called it a day. If one actually reads the bill, it's not unreasonable and never states or insinuates "Don't say gay" .

Welcome and congratulations on your first post

 

[Disney Analyst]

Years past, Disney attempted to refrain from politics. Unfortunately, they involved themselves and publicly took a side. Disney should never be involved in politics. They are a company who caters to a wide variety of individuals from both sides of the political spectrum. Why alienate half of your populous and state officials? Chapek (Paycheck) is reviled by most cast members...perhaps he should have addressed the employees by stating he supports Gay rights, etc and called it a day. If one actually reads the bill, it's not unreasonable and never states or insinuates "Don't say gay" .

Disney has always been involved in politics.

The end.

 

[networkpro]

Very interesting! It makes a lot of sense to me as you really can't completely isolate kids from the world in which they live, including from adult themes such as death.

Confirmed! New Old Yeller locked in the corn crib meet and greet!

 

[RunningKoen]

Agree, which is why there is such importance and responsibility working with children during those early years. Interesting how too many so called grown ups, adults, do not recollect that time frame of their lives very well.

Taking sex out of those responsibility might even be dangerous.

Kids of 5 are dealing with the subject of sex. Not in the way us adults do, but they have their own sex related things. They wonder how babies get into bellies. And sometimes if they came from there aswell. And how? Dont you guys have the stork myth aswell?

A school can be a place of guidance instead of silence. This bill creates a line between what can and cant be discusses / teached. What if teachers get so afraid of the bill, they avoid the topic at all cost, even when it's necessary? Busy times for those storks.