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Paint The Night Rumors!!!!!!!!
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Donaldfan1934
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At this point, anything is better than MSEP.
ShoalFox
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- In the Parks
- Yes
Personally, I think anything is better than PTN
Donaldfan1934
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Agree to disagree.
the-reason14
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So an old tired parade that's falling apart is better then a new modern parade that's been a huge success at the original Disney park?
brb1006
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I miss this parade so much
brb1006
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I agree, I remember when PTN was revealed a year ago I was like "Meh" but if Disney is actually going with this idea in the future then this new night parade might be very interesting. Was Spectromagic kept secret before it debuted at WDW?
doctornick
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I'm all for a new light parade at MK as long as it uses Baroque Hoedown in some fashion. IMHO, that song is as much a part of nostalgic Disney as IASW, Grim Grinning Ghosts, Yo-Ho, etc. and it would make me sad to see it not be present in the park.
Donaldfan1934
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Thankfully for you, it was used in PTN. So if that ever comes to Florida, you're in luck.
doctornick
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I know, which is the main reason I'd be happy with PTN (or Dreamlights if they shipped that out) coming to WDW. That said, I wouldn't mind if they changed/added floats if it were to come to WDW -- the Cars one in particular seems to not fit well and I'm in agreement with others that I'd like to see more classic films represented.
Donaldfan1934
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What do you think is wrong with the Mack float specifically?
MerlinTheGoat
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Newer lighting technology does not automatically mean a parade is better than anything that came before it. PtN and MSEP (MK's current version) both have different issues, and neither really fit with Magic Kingdom for different reasons.
MSEP's biggest problem is its age, it stands in an unfavorable light next to several other newer parades including both Spectromagic and Fantillusion (both of which were old parades as well), but especially in comparison to Dreamlights. Dreamlights is basically a modern variation/interpretation of MSEP, familiar float designs (though with a number of unique ones as well) but with newer technology and lighting as it has been constantly updated during its operation. Dreamlights is what I consider the best light parade currently in operation and is a proper example of how to keep an "older" parade fresh and awesome. Imagine if Spectromagic had received the same care and continual plussing during its life. Or heck even the MSEP currently at MK.
PtN has issues of its own, one IMO being that it doesn't seem to really fit with the environment it travels through. Perhaps it might work better at Hollywood Studios or California Adventure, but too much of it feels overly techno/modern for something traveling down an early 1900's American town with a European castle at the end. Some floats work well, including the ones for B&tB and Frozen, others don't (Cars, Monsters Inc). And I actively dislike the soundtrack. I'm already not a huge fan of MSEP's soundtrack (though Dreamlights adds some nice variation to it), but even it has a certain charm to it. Paint the Night's music I just can't stand...
And as i've expressed before, the float designs are very hit or miss. It uses a lot of very cool and modern lighting tech that would be welcome in any parade. But the underlying designs of the floats as well as the designs for the strands of light are mixed. Some such as Monsters Inc even remind me of tacky LED video billboards...
It's hard to describe some of the problems, but here's a comparison between Paint the Night and Spectromagic, i'll try to summarize the different design choices-
Again the lighting on Paint the Night uses newer LED tech (something that can be implemented into any existing night parade to plus it). But despite Spectro's older lighting tech, the underlying detail on even these simplest of floats show some strikingly different design philosophies. The strands of light are laid out in a more elaborate and elegant manner on Spectro's globes. Paint the Night uses a very modern and basic square grid pattern, straight horizontal and vertical lights on a black backdrop. Spectro's are strung in a diamond pattern, and they're laid in a curvy/wavy curtain pattern as well. In addition to this (while the images make this difficult to see), the black backdrops of Spectro's globes used a reflective mirrored surface with additional twinkling lights housed inside. As a result, the orbs had an even greater sense of depth and twinkled in a more elegant manner.
The key difference again between the two are the lightbulbs themselves. Spectromagic as an early 90's parade used incandescent lightbulbs, while PtN as a new parade uses LED's (brighter and more programmable). I'm very much pro-LED, however any night parade can be upgraded to LED tech. And it would have been amazing to see what Spectromagic might have looked like if upgraded in such a manner (again like Dreamlights has been).
For a new Magic Kingdom light parade, i want the float designs and music to take cues from Spectromagic or even Dreamlights instead of Paint the Night. Any new night parade is by default going to have modern lighting akin to PtN, but lighting tech alone isn't what makes a parade great. It's extremely important to have appropriate float designs and music.
MSEP's biggest problem is its age, it stands in an unfavorable light next to several other newer parades including both Spectromagic and Fantillusion (both of which were old parades as well), but especially in comparison to Dreamlights. Dreamlights is basically a modern variation/interpretation of MSEP, familiar float designs (though with a number of unique ones as well) but with newer technology and lighting as it has been constantly updated during its operation. Dreamlights is what I consider the best light parade currently in operation and is a proper example of how to keep an "older" parade fresh and awesome. Imagine if Spectromagic had received the same care and continual plussing during its life. Or heck even the MSEP currently at MK.
PtN has issues of its own, one IMO being that it doesn't seem to really fit with the environment it travels through. Perhaps it might work better at Hollywood Studios or California Adventure, but too much of it feels overly techno/modern for something traveling down an early 1900's American town with a European castle at the end. Some floats work well, including the ones for B&tB and Frozen, others don't (Cars, Monsters Inc). And I actively dislike the soundtrack. I'm already not a huge fan of MSEP's soundtrack (though Dreamlights adds some nice variation to it), but even it has a certain charm to it. Paint the Night's music I just can't stand...
And as i've expressed before, the float designs are very hit or miss. It uses a lot of very cool and modern lighting tech that would be welcome in any parade. But the underlying designs of the floats as well as the designs for the strands of light are mixed. Some such as Monsters Inc even remind me of tacky LED video billboards...
It's hard to describe some of the problems, but here's a comparison between Paint the Night and Spectromagic, i'll try to summarize the different design choices-
Again the lighting on Paint the Night uses newer LED tech (something that can be implemented into any existing night parade to plus it). But despite Spectro's older lighting tech, the underlying detail on even these simplest of floats show some strikingly different design philosophies. The strands of light are laid out in a more elaborate and elegant manner on Spectro's globes. Paint the Night uses a very modern and basic square grid pattern, straight horizontal and vertical lights on a black backdrop. Spectro's are strung in a diamond pattern, and they're laid in a curvy/wavy curtain pattern as well. In addition to this (while the images make this difficult to see), the black backdrops of Spectro's globes used a reflective mirrored surface with additional twinkling lights housed inside. As a result, the orbs had an even greater sense of depth and twinkled in a more elegant manner.
The key difference again between the two are the lightbulbs themselves. Spectromagic as an early 90's parade used incandescent lightbulbs, while PtN as a new parade uses LED's (brighter and more programmable). I'm very much pro-LED, however any night parade can be upgraded to LED tech. And it would have been amazing to see what Spectromagic might have looked like if upgraded in such a manner (again like Dreamlights has been).
For a new Magic Kingdom light parade, i want the float designs and music to take cues from Spectromagic or even Dreamlights instead of Paint the Night. Any new night parade is by default going to have modern lighting akin to PtN, but lighting tech alone isn't what makes a parade great. It's extremely important to have appropriate float designs and music.
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Donaldfan1934
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Very interesting take on both Parades. I still think PTN is a great parade despite its flaws and that MSEP, while revolutionary for its time, needs to go unless we get a Dreamlights version.Newer lighting technology does not automatically mean a parade is better than anything that came before it. PtN and MSEP (MK's current version) both have different issues, and neither really fit with Magic Kingdom for different reasons.
MSEP's biggest problem is its age, it stands in an unfavorable light next to several other newer parades including both Spectromagic and Fantillusion (both of which were old parades as well), but especially in comparison to Dreamlights. Dreamlights is basically a modern variation/interpretation of MSEP, familiar float designs (though with a number of unique ones as well) but with newer technology and lighting as it has been constantly updated during its operation. Dreamlights is what I consider the best light parade currently in operation and is a proper example of how to keep an "older" parade fresh and awesome. Imagine if Spectromagic had received the same care and continual plussing during its life. Or heck even the MSEP currently at MK.
PtN has issues of its own, one IMO being that it doesn't seem to really fit with the environment it travels through. Perhaps it might work better at Hollywood Studios or California Adventure, but too much of it feels overly techno/modern for something traveling down an early 1900's American town with a European castle at the end. Some floats work well, including the ones for B&tB and Frozen, others don't (Cars, Monsters Inc). And I actively dislike the soundtrack. I'm already not a huge fan of MSEP's soundtrack (though Dreamlights adds some nice variation to it), but even it has a certain charm to it. Paint the Night's music I just can't stand...
And as i've expressed before, the float designs are very hit or miss. It uses a lot of very cool and modern lighting tech that would be welcome in any parade. But the underlying designs of the floats as well as the designs for the strands of light are mixed. Some such as Monsters Inc even remind me of tacky LED video billboards...
It's hard to describe some of the problems, but here's a comparison between Paint the Night and Spectromagic, i'll try to summarize the different design choices-
Again the lighting on Paint the Night uses newer LED tech (something that can be implemented into any existing night parade to plus it). But despite Spectro's older lighting tech, the underlying detail on even these simplest of floats show some strikingly different design philosophies. The strands of light are laid out in a more elaborate and elegant manner on Spectro's globes. Paint the Night uses a very modern and basic square grid pattern, straight horizontal and vertical lights on a black backdrop. Spectro's are strung in a diamond pattern, and they're laid in a curvy/wavy curtain pattern as well. In addition to this (while the images make this difficult to see), the black backdrops of Spectro's globes used a reflective mirrored surface with additional twinkling lights housed inside. As a result, the orbs had an even greater sense of depth and twinkled in a more elegant manner.
The key difference again between the two are the lightbulbs themselves. Spectromagic as an early 90's parade used incandescent lightbulbs, while PtN as a new parade uses LED's (brighter and more programmable). I'm very much pro-LED, however any night parade can be upgraded to LED tech. And it would have been amazing to see what Spectromagic might have looked like if upgraded in such a manner (again like Dreamlights has been).
For a new Magic Kingdom light parade, i want the float designs and music to take cues from Spectromagic or even Dreamlights instead of Paint the Night. Any new night parade is by default going to have modern lighting akin to PtN, but lighting tech alone isn't what makes a parade great. It's extremely important to have appropriate float designs and music.
And this is probably why they didn't spend the money to remake Spectromagic. It probably wasn't worth it between the repairs it already needed when they knew newer technology was on the rise not to mention adding that you might as well make an entire new parade. There waiting on something, I would like to see new giant fish with the new technology that's out.Newer lighting technology does not automatically mean a parade is better than anything that came before it. PtN and MSEP (MK's current version) both have different issues, and neither really fit with Magic Kingdom for different reasons.
MSEP's biggest problem is its age, it stands in an unfavorable light next to several other newer parades including both Spectromagic and Fantillusion (both of which were old parades as well), but especially in comparison to Dreamlights. Dreamlights is basically a modern variation/interpretation of MSEP, familiar float designs (though with a number of unique ones as well) but with newer technology and lighting as it has been constantly updated during its operation. Dreamlights is what I consider the best light parade currently in operation and is a proper example of how to keep an "older" parade fresh and awesome. Imagine if Spectromagic had received the same care and continual plussing during its life. Or heck even the MSEP currently at MK.
PtN has issues of its own, one IMO being that it doesn't seem to really fit with the environment it travels through. Perhaps it might work better at Hollywood Studios or California Adventure, but too much of it feels overly techno/modern for something traveling down an early 1900's American town with a European castle at the end. Some floats work well, including the ones for B&tB and Frozen, others don't (Cars, Monsters Inc). And I actively dislike the soundtrack. I'm already not a huge fan of MSEP's soundtrack (though Dreamlights adds some nice variation to it), but even it has a certain charm to it. Paint the Night's music I just can't stand...
And as i've expressed before, the float designs are very hit or miss. It uses a lot of very cool and modern lighting tech that would be welcome in any parade. But the underlying designs of the floats as well as the designs for the strands of light are mixed. Some such as Monsters Inc even remind me of tacky LED video billboards...
It's hard to describe some of the problems, but here's a comparison between Paint the Night and Spectromagic, i'll try to summarize the different design choices-
Again the lighting on Paint the Night uses newer LED tech (something that can be implemented into any existing night parade to plus it). But despite Spectro's older lighting tech, the underlying detail on even these simplest of floats show some strikingly different design philosophies. The strands of light are laid out in a more elaborate and elegant manner on Spectro's globes. Paint the Night uses a very modern and basic square grid pattern, straight horizontal and vertical lights on a black backdrop. Spectro's are strung in a diamond pattern, and they're laid in a curvy/wavy curtain pattern as well. In addition to this (while the images make this difficult to see), the black backdrops of Spectro's globes used a reflective mirrored surface with additional twinkling lights housed inside. As a result, the orbs had an even greater sense of depth and twinkled in a more elegant manner.
The key difference again between the two are the lightbulbs themselves. Spectromagic as an early 90's parade used incandescent lightbulbs, while PtN as a new parade uses LED's (brighter and more programmable). I'm very much pro-LED, however any night parade can be upgraded to LED tech. And it would have been amazing to see what Spectromagic might have looked like if upgraded in such a manner (again like Dreamlights has been).
For a new Magic Kingdom light parade, i want the float designs and music to take cues from Spectromagic or even Dreamlights instead of Paint the Night. Any new night parade is by default going to have modern lighting akin to PtN, but lighting tech alone isn't what makes a parade great. It's extremely important to have appropriate float designs and music.
Donaldfan1934
Well-Known Member
That money still would be nothing for the biggest entertainment company in the world. Its sheer cheapness and nothing more. I'm sure they've had to spend that money trying to keep the MSEP floats going at least a few times over.
doctornick
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Just that the Cars stuff seems out of place compared to the other units. Other IPs are characters on floats, but for Cars the character is the float. Just kinda sticks out.
That said, I haven't seen it in person, just on video, so maybe I'll change my mind when I see it live later this year.
brb1006
Well-Known Member
The globes in Spectromagic can even cause an optical illusion when ever they spin.Newer lighting technology does not automatically mean a parade is better than anything that came before it. PtN and MSEP (MK's current version) both have different issues, and neither really fit with Magic Kingdom for different reasons.
MSEP's biggest problem is its age, it stands in an unfavorable light next to several other newer parades including both Spectromagic and Fantillusion (both of which were old parades as well), but especially in comparison to Dreamlights. Dreamlights is basically a modern variation/interpretation of MSEP, familiar float designs (though with a number of unique ones as well) but with newer technology and lighting as it has been constantly updated during its operation. Dreamlights is what I consider the best light parade currently in operation and is a proper example of how to keep an "older" parade fresh and awesome. Imagine if Spectromagic had received the same care and continual plussing during its life. Or heck even the MSEP currently at MK.
PtN has issues of its own, one IMO being that it doesn't seem to really fit with the environment it travels through. Perhaps it might work better at Hollywood Studios or California Adventure, but too much of it feels overly techno/modern for something traveling down an early 1900's American town with a European castle at the end. Some floats work well, including the ones for B&tB and Frozen, others don't (Cars, Monsters Inc). And I actively dislike the soundtrack. I'm already not a huge fan of MSEP's soundtrack (though Dreamlights adds some nice variation to it), but even it has a certain charm to it. Paint the Night's music I just can't stand...
And as i've expressed before, the float designs are very hit or miss. It uses a lot of very cool and modern lighting tech that would be welcome in any parade. But the underlying designs of the floats as well as the designs for the strands of light are mixed. Some such as Monsters Inc even remind me of tacky LED video billboards...
It's hard to describe some of the problems, but here's a comparison between Paint the Night and Spectromagic, i'll try to summarize the different design choices-
Again the lighting on Paint the Night uses newer LED tech (something that can be implemented into any existing night parade to plus it). But despite Spectro's older lighting tech, the underlying detail on even these simplest of floats show some strikingly different design philosophies. The strands of light are laid out in a more elaborate and elegant manner on Spectro's globes. Paint the Night uses a very modern and basic square grid pattern, straight horizontal and vertical lights on a black backdrop. Spectro's are strung in a diamond pattern, and they're laid in a curvy/wavy curtain pattern as well. In addition to this (while the images make this difficult to see), the black backdrops of Spectro's globes used a reflective mirrored surface with additional twinkling lights housed inside. As a result, the orbs had an even greater sense of depth and twinkled in a more elegant manner.
The key difference again between the two are the lightbulbs themselves. Spectromagic as an early 90's parade used incandescent lightbulbs, while PtN as a new parade uses LED's (brighter and more programmable). I'm very much pro-LED, however any night parade can be upgraded to LED tech. And it would have been amazing to see what Spectromagic might have looked like if upgraded in such a manner (again like Dreamlights has been).
For a new Magic Kingdom light parade, i want the float designs and music to take cues from Spectromagic or even Dreamlights instead of Paint the Night. Any new night parade is by default going to have modern lighting akin to PtN, but lighting tech alone isn't what makes a parade great. It's extremely important to have appropriate float designs and music.
Donaldfan1934
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I have seen it in person and it doesn't bother me. DJ is on the back of Mack while Lighning McQueen rides in front.
With just some upgrades dream lights new technology wiyh the effects they use is much more impressive. Not only that the technology is used on older styled units which I really liked.
DisneyChik17
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So, MSEP is not running tonight and is off the online time sheet and the app. IDK why or what it means, but it's just additional info.