GoofGoof
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Fired and replaced with a foreign worker who doesn't understand the sarcasm and passive aggressive digs because of the language barrier. Priceless
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ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Or profits NOT rolling in if TWDC screws up SW badly.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Should have been named "Fund my hobby"...
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Don't forget cranking equivalent ISO up and setting noise reduction to OFF. Now THATS GRITTY!
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yet another example of why the Disney Parks blog and Disney websites in general are pathetic. Read the blurb on the Disney Parks blog about Frozen then read Steve's write up on the main page here. DPB gives you virtually nothing. WDWMagic has actual details that would interest someone taking their time to actually look this up. Yet another example of why I always point people to the unofficial Disney websites if they need information. Almost always a better source.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Nah... Take some tri-x 400 B&W film and push it to 1600 and use some side lighting, preferably just a bare 60 watt lightbulb and shot in a seedy motel. Maybe drape some underwear off the lamp, diffusing the light somewhat...
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
That works too, But you want to use D-76 to develop the film to bring out the grain, DK-50 is even better if you can find it or know the formula but stay away from HC-110 it's too fine grain even with a 2 stop push.
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
boom. Mic drop.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
By sticking with Kodak developers at least my fingernails are not black from using Pyrocatechol developers without gloves... I do love the smell of a darkroom and the magic of a print coming up in the developer, Digital is just not the same...
Shaman
Well-Known Member
I can see your point that releasing fewer films is risky, because you have less protection if one or more fail to make a profit. I guess it can also protect you from making bad films too.
But if you spend less, and make lots of money (comparable to a studio that released more films) it sounds like a win. Risky, but if you have reliable IP and good filmmakers, it's do-able.
Last year gross profit:
Fox: $1.8 billion on 22 tracked films (17)
Disney: $1.6 billion on 17 tracked films (13)
WB: $1.6 billion on 31 tracked films (22)
**number in parentheses reflects films released in 2014
Source: boxofficemojo.com
Has anything come out yet about what Universal are doing to the Gardens of Allah?
There were rumours that that could have been for a 25th Anniversary museum, and if that was the case, couldn't they put Lucy in there?
AEfx
Well-Known Member
True, but I don't think you'd find most publicly held corporations are going to do things much differently with their own social media sites.
FWIW, I don't even read the Disney Parks blog because I know whatever pertinent info there is will be here, more accurate, and generally long in advance of when their spin is put on it. I also don't go to similar "official" sites about other products I enjoy for the same reasons.
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AEfx
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I imagine that next year is going to be the tipping point for the Disney company coming out on top of that list. The way Episode VII is already tracking would do it on it's own, but when you consider Civil War and Dr. Strange, they had a nice shot anyway.
Particularly Civil War, which proves that the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" being tied together is a huge benefit - Cap 2 made TWICE what Cap 1 did (and it's budget was only 30M more, which likely was above the line costs associated with a sequel more than anything else). I certainly don't think we can expect Cap 3 to double yet again, but it won't be a shrinking violet, either.
Nearly all the criticism being laid at Disney's feet applies to the entire movie industry, it just so happens that Disney, because of it's very very long history of "franchising" things, is just very very good at it.
Will it last? I think they've got the rest of the decade pretty sewn up, but like anything in the entertainment industry, it will need to continue to change and grow into the future.
That's what is so perplexing about the abstract arguments being lobbied against the company when it comes to the film business - if Disney stayed stagnant, people would be complaining about Darth Iger not staying with the times and growing Disney's film business past fare largely targeting the "3rd grade and under" set. That, and arguing that Disney is "losing" things that in fact they "lost" decades ago in the minds of all but the most devoted Super Lifestyler Disney Fans.
It all adds up to: Darth Iger cannot win against the narrative that he is Darth Iger, no matter what the guy does.
suburbianj
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Feel free to post a few for our reading amusementI saved them....
Nemo14
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Here's the list so far - a few familiar names there...Feel free to post a few for our reading amusement
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Eric from MA on June 9th, 2015 at 11:33 am
…We’re really goin’ there, huh?
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Guy on June 9th, 2015 at 11:34 am
Will the Frozen ride still have the oil rig? I loved that thing.
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Antonio on June 9th, 2015 at 11:41 am
This looks like a great place for my family to take our Christmas photos!
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Matt on June 9th, 2015 at 11:42 am
Will The Norway Pavilion be suitably renamed to The Frozen Pavilion as well?
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Scott from IL on June 9th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Well, that’s sure… something. I will bet that the Norwegians are thrilled that their pavilion is going to house something this… umm… “magical”.
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Kyle on June 9th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
Will there be any tributes(apart from the boats) to Maelstrom and will there be any Hidden Mickey’s?
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Pamela on June 9th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
Bring the trolls back back from over the falls please instead incorporating a FICTIONAL land into a pavilion that’s supposed to showcase a REAL country
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Dan on June 9th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Have you made any improvements to increase the capacity of the ride? It sounds like it follows the same track and will use the same boats.
Also, have you decided to change the name of EPCOT yet? It doesn’t seem to really apply anymore.
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Griffin on June 9th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
If Akershus is Frozenfied, will there be collectable mugs? Also will there be Frozen themed Helly Hansen clothes, or will the shop still be purely Norwegian themed?
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Michael on June 9th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
This is very disappointing. I would have liked at least some lip service to the culture of Norway. Keeping the theme of World Showcase would have been nice.
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Julie on June 9th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
So basically nothing about the history or culture of Norway. wasn’t that the whole point of the World Pavilion to educate people about other cultures?
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Matthew from CA on June 9th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
This is exactly what I expected when I heard Maelstrom would be re-themed to Frozen. Still not sure what the fictitious land of Arendelle has to do with World Showcase, but I’m sure the kids will love it! Good job, Walt Disney Imagineering. You dreamed it, you did it.
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Kevin on June 9th, 2015 at 12:45 pm
I love that this is being done in a culturally sensitive way, and will continue to inspire future generations to learn about the exciting and diverse countries of the world around them. It fits in perfectly with Norwegian heritage, and helps to further the mission of the park. It’s edutanement at its finest!
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Jody on June 9th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
Will the accessibility to this ride be addressed? Will there be a seat or boat that allowed an easy transfer? Or is this going to be the same as the maelstrom with steps down to boat and back out? Have a child that REALLY wants to ride this! Thanks
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Joshua on June 9th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
I’ll pass.
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Lisa on June 9th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
I will be coming when this opens. Disneyland will have to do without us for one year.
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Patrick on June 9th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
How about instead of putting fictional characters in World Showcase, Disney actually invests in Future World. You know, Wonders of Life or Universe of Energy, Imagination… All these need updates.
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Carole on June 9th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
Wow, can’t believe the comments above. As a canadian visiting the canadian pavilion I still enjoy going to it even if it is a unique interpretation of canada. I am excited to see what the do with the Norway pavilion, I’m sure it will be beautiful and fun as I loved frozen. This area needed a change and I think it’s great and I look forward to seeing what they do with it. Please have more Frozen wear for adult woman, I would buy it in an instant. It’s not just the children who love it, us 40 something love it as well. Good job disney!
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Carrie from CA on June 9th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
So, “Snowgies” are boogers, right? So there are gonna be animated boogers on this ride?
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Jonathan on June 9th, 2015 at 1:24 pm
I for one am excited for this attraction. It’s a shame how bitter everyone else is for this
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Vincenzo on June 9th, 2015 at 1:28 pm
Although I’m sure this will be done well (as most things the imagineers do are), this was a poor decision. I don’t think wedging a fictional land into area that’s supposed to be educational and immersive was the best choice.
DHS could have used a new ride.
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Trinna on June 9th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
I will miss the Maelstrom and agree that this ride might’ve been better suited to Fantasyland, but I’ll ride it wherever it is! I really hope it still has trolls, though. The trolls were my favorite part of Maelstrom, and there were trolls in the movie, so…!
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Brett on June 9th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
The Norway Pavilion is owned and operated by WDW. The country of Norway no longer has any ownership interest and hasn’t in a while. That could be one of the reasons why it is being incorporated into a MAJORITY pleasing attraction, that will brings substantial income to WDW and excitement to guests. Citizens of Norway were contacted for permission. They couldn’t have cared less and advised concerned individuals to “get over it” and “let it go”.
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phillip on June 9th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
Will Disneyland be receiving something similar to this for their park?
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Daniel on June 9th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Is there an estimated date of opening? We’re planning our trip in May of next year!
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Scott from IL on June 9th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Will there be a section that will help me book a family vacation to Arendelle? When I was at Epcot last year, the people in the Norway section looked utterly confused when I told them I didn’t want to visit their silly country, I wanted to go to Arendelle!
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Jillian on June 9th, 2015 at 2:19 pm
Enough with Frozen already. I come to Disney World to see Disney, not just Frozen. Everywhere you go now it’s all about Frozen. The whole summer party and castle show in MK, there was a whole ice skating rink in HS, now you’re tearing down a tribute to a beautiful country to shove more Frozen in there. I think AK is the only one that’s safe anymore. Stop. With. Frozen.
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Edward on June 9th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
In my opinion, this is a very bad idea.
What next, removing The American Adventure for a Phineas and Ferb ride?
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Scott from IL on June 9th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Will there be any changes to the bakery? I hope not. I love going in there and getting a warm pretzel with the brown Norwegian cheese on it. There are becoming fewer places on property to get hot cheese these days. Do they eat the brown cheese in Arendelle?
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Daniel on June 9th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
This would have been so much easier to accept if it was going into the Magic Kingdom and not World Showcase.
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James on June 9th, 2015 at 2:34 pm
I will miss Maelstrom. A great ride. Hard to believe it is 27 years old. Still, this will be a fantastic ride as well. Let’s face it Epcot needs more attractions for the really young crowd. This serves that market.
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Autumn on June 9th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
Are there going to be ANY details, like the Mexico Pavillon, that represent the culture and actual country of Norway? And will there be a new Norway video… or is that where the meet and greet going to be?
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George from IN on June 9th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
This will be a valuable addition to Magic Kingdom, Part Deux.
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Philip on June 9th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
I cannot stand all the negative comments above. I wish that they would stop being so wrong and mean-spirited.
Please give the new ride a chance anyway. You’ll most likely end up enjoying it anyway.
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Kelly on June 9th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
I agree with Scott. Please don’t make any changes to the bakery. It’s bad enough we lost The Maelstrom and that EPCOT is losing sight of what it was supposed to be all about (and I like Frozen just as much as the next person, but leave World Showcase to represent real world cultures)but if we lose the delicious foods at Kringla Bakeri Og Kafe, I will be very upset. I need my school bread.
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Fred from CA on June 9th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
It’s very sad how hateful some of these comments are.
The Frozen hate has gotten really old. This ride looks pretty cool, and it is sure to be popular.
People really have to understand that Frozen is Disney Animation’s biggest hit since The Lion King. Frozen received acclaim from both critics and audiences, won a Golden Globe, two Academy Awards, and became the highest grossing animated film of all time. Plus, it is a great film with characters and music that audiences love, in addition to a great story. As such, there has definitely been a big *public demand* for merchandise and content.
I love Frozen, and I’m glad it’s been such a success for Disney.
Will Disneyland in California ever receive a Frozen ride?
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Kyle on June 9th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
Keep the new attractions coming. I’m a Norwegian and I’d like to see the pavilion be more alive and interesting. Yes, losing Maelstrom is too bad. Not sure if it is true, but someone mentioned that except for this new attraction, Epcot’s last ride was Soarin’ and that is coming up on 10 years. Yes, 10 years without a new attraction to this park.
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Fred from CA on June 9th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Philip– I agree!
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George from IN on June 9th, 2015 at 3:09 pm
I read the WSJ article about how Disney is going whole hog on the franchise thing. Of course, you’d have to be blind not to notice this. I think there is a failure in the halls of Burbank to realize that EPCOT is its own IP, valuable in and of itself, beloved for what it is. It most assuredly does need freshening up and renewing, but it does not need rides based on the latest hit movies, tangentially themed to the purpose of the area where it being placed. It will probably be a hit for 5 year or so and then it will be a 20 minute wait or walk on, since ultimately the long term success of a theme park attraction depends on how good it is and how well it fits, not what movie is beloved at the moment. This, too, seems to have become an unknown in the upper echelons of the company. Carsland will be a long term success because it is well done and fits in DCA, not because it is the best franchise. Splash Mountain is not a big draw due to the enduring cultural appeal of Song of the South.
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Harold D on June 9th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
To those who are upset about the negativity, please note that little is negative about Frozen and its getting an attraction. The anger is over where the attraction is going. It seems that many who are enamored with it don’t understand what the vision of EPCOT was and how it’s just being erased. Sure, Norway doesn’t own the pavilion any longer, that doesn’t mean it should be transferred from non fiction to fiction. Frozen may have been a blockbuster, but it’s still a fairy tale and should not be placed in the World Showcase. That’s all.
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Patrick on June 9th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
The hate is not against Frozen as a movie. IT is a huge success and a good movie. People are upset that something related to a animated movie is going into World Showcase which is intended to represent cultures around the world. A Frozen themed attraction would be more at home in Magic Kingdom’s Fantasy Land. If anything should be added to World Showcase, it should be more Countries like originally intended, or at least new rides added to the countries that already have the buildings, but were never built like Canada and Japan. Both of those countries never got the ride systems they are actually built around.
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Stuart from Scotland on June 9th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
I don’t think the problem is a “Frozen” ride as much as it’s in the wrong park. World Showcase at EPCOT is the wrong place for it. Magic Kingdom is where it should be – and I’m sure everyone at Disney knows that but having just re-imagined Fantasyland what so they do? Tear up the park? It’s a problem for them. I think the Frozen hate is over the top, yes there’s saturation of the movie but really it’s not that different from the situation when “The Lion King” was released.
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Fred from CA on June 9th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Carrie– ….No. The snowgies are NOT “boogers”. Perhaps you need to watch the short again.
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Thor from CA on June 9th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
As a Norwegian-American, this confuses me. What does this ride have to do with Norway? And why must it be a part of World Showcase? Seems like this ride was meant for Fantasyland, not the honorable Norway pavilion.
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Thomas F from GA on June 9th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
A theme park resort like Walt Disney World deserves a Frozen attraction area similar to what Oriental Land Company’s Tokyo DisneySea is building.
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Diane from IL on June 9th, 2015 at 4:23 pm
As nice as this might be I still do not get what this has to do with the International Showcase. Will Disney start to get rid of all the real countries and ruin the meaning behind that part of Epcot? The confusion is not with the ride but where it is located.
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Lucas on June 9th, 2015 at 4:27 pm
Sad to see that all real elements of Norwegian culture are being erased from the attraction.
Rutt
Well-Known Member
Part of Pixels was filmed at my sons' school so this is all we have heard about for the last god knows how long. That being said, any movie that brings Donkey Kong AND Pacman to life has my money.
Even if it is Adam Sandler.....
Rutt
Well-Known Member
Ah, if only we could find someone like that and clone them to run every single entity in the world right now. This whole "#### tomorrow give me money now" mentality is depressing.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
My problem is they already made info publicly available by granting access to WSJ for their article. Why not at a minimum offer the same details that will be available via a media source on their own fan centered site. If they want Disney Parks fans to actually read the parks blog and get excited for the new attraction give them more details. The details in the WSJ piece and on WDWMagic probably actually paint the new attraction in a more favorable light than DPB. Not a good way to get word out and get people excited.
the.dreamfinder
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That's not gross profit. That's US box office grosses.