That is my point. You see people -- with children -- who have taken 23 trips to WDW (all on-site). You can't convince me that they are saving money versus taking a few trips abroad.
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That is my point. You see people -- with children -- who have taken 23 trips to WDW (all on-site). You can't convince me that they are saving money versus taking a few trips abroad.
You must know after having me here for nine years that people can't quit me. You know from the people commenting and complaining and reporting posts and offering ZERO in actual content to this thread. ... You'd think I was a Nazi holding an AK-47 to their heads and forcing them to read and respond.
No, RunDisney has become a Lifestyler deal, all about getting the participation medals and wearing them proudly to every buffet in sight. And having a race certainly draws people there.
As an aside, HKDL has a race too. But there's isn't part of RunDisney, so the Lifestylers have stayed away.
I will likely have one in the future, but only based on need. I've had one year visas in the past, when I lived/worked there. But not a 10-year deal. Back then, I am not even sure it was offered.
Don't worry @WDW1974, I'm really excited to hear about it, your opinions about the other parks make want to visit them as soon as I can. And this might be off-topic, but I would like to know if you have any information to provide regarding the possibility of Coco replacing The 3 Caballeros ride at the Mexican Pavillion. I hope you have a great day
I know it is out there. That is about it. I think it may depend on how the film does (it looks great!)
That's a great post for No. 500 (at least for now) in this thread.
Yup ... and I would just add that going to WDW every summer for 11 nights and another week every third Christmas with another week on the beach at the Jersey Shore isn't traveling or seeing the world.
I agree, but I'll just add that both resorts pull this and I have an issue with it.
I don't know how many times I've been at EPCOT and seen half of FW close down at 5 p.m. or the backlot at Disney-MGM etc.
Political talk and banter always becomes a train wreck. And usually sabotages the thread.
I vote nobody, including Spirit, insert their feelings about the current administration.
Back to the spirited thread
because emoji's are fun.
I don't disagree, but the question is where you draw the line. I say this because it has been in vogue here in countless threads to drop negative comments about the last President. And they sit out there forever. Yet, when one comments lightly about the current situation (say calling it a trainwreck or wondering how what is happening in the WH could affect travel and Disney), it seems to be cause for immediate reaction. And I know it isn't because of the ownership of the site. Hell, maybe I shouldn't even place this here ... I don't know. I just don't feel much like talking about the wonders of TDS right now ... or why Disney pulled a Marvel announcement for DCA 72 hours before D23 (much like the 36 hour pull that happened in 2015).
It's not that I don't want to talk about that. I just find it draining dealing with people that I absolutely have zero regard for as members of the species ... and there isn't energy or time left to talk about it.
Four weeks?!?! HAHAHHA!
Most Americans are thrilled if they have two weeks, which the boss never allows them to take at the same time.
Nemo14
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The_Mesh_Hatter
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For the horrors of the past weekend I recommend a handful of Excedrin. Or, if you're in California, you can get something a little stronger thanks to our newest, legal newest cash crop. That'll do the trick too.
brb1006
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Absimilliard
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On the subject of the lifestylers and RunDisney, I am quite funnily imagining them at the Breakfast buffets in the hotels at DLP and wondering what all those "croissants", breads, cold cuts and other healthier than the average american breakfast items are! Sadly, I don't even think most of them will even step foot at Val d'Europe and check out Auchan, a typical french Hypermarche (Hypermarket with an amazing grocery and department store). The one food product from Auchan I miss a LOT is the "Sauce a Frite". Think of a sweet and delicious mayo sauce for french fries and when I go, I fill up a suitcase with that and the Tesseire syrups. Those syrups are litterally double to triple the price here and turn the worst tasting water or drink into a fresh and delicious drink.
The 10 year Visa for China started back in 2015 for Canadians and appears to be a 2016 upgrade for Americans. There are no extra costs for us to get it for 10 years, so I am sure it is the same for American passports.
ford91exploder
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It was named for that very scenario, "if you cant win the game under the rules change the rules"
Up here we have a lot of RV parks with a 10 year rule so that only people with 6 figure mega-rv's can get in i.e. Keep the poors out.
But since my RV is legally an antique and looks like a fibreglas Airstream they let us in and the thing does attract a lot of attention. Hence the name
They are equally amazed when i turn the key and the 1960's style dash lights up with digital displays.
Currently has 4bbl holley carb but ill probably change to a Holley TBI system because i'm tired of rejetting the carb/playing with mixture every time USG tweaks gasoline formula
matt9112
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if you plan well it's great....rope drop the most popular ride in the park and squeeze 1 or 2 others in with basically no line than you have the 3 passes. all the big stuff in MK done by 2. I hate lines and won't wait in them.
ford91exploder
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RunDisney is fun and i think its motivated a lot of people including me to start running, That said one does not eat before the race unless one wants to hurl somewhere along the course.
Most of the lifestylers ive seen could not even finish the 5k
And at least for the RunDisney events ive seen one does not collect a finisher medal unless one legitimately crosses the finish line in the allowed time.
Of course ive never been swept by the balloon ladies so cant speak to that
ford91exploder
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No its not,
The US is the ONLY country in the industrialized world WITHOUT mandatory vacation, Even freaking CHINA has a mandatory 2 week holiday.
Trouble is in the modern American company taking vacations is not seen as a good thing its seen as a sign of 'insufficient commitment to the companies goals'. And unless you inhabit mahogany row that rule applies to you.
From various friendly HR drones the magic number for vacation days to be counted against people is from 25-40% used depending on the company. And to be sure not all companies are like this.
And some are geniuinely sorry when they yank vacation at one place I worked when HR found out that vacation had been yanked they gave me a spot bonus to cover all the non-refundable expenses and an additional two weeks pay.
In this respect visa workers have it better because of the required visits home
This pernicious behavior by american companies is driven entirely by Wall Street which is in desperate need of reform to bring it back to the job of capital formation to help companies grow by providing goods and services and not the M&A Lottery/Share Price Casino wall st has become
ford91exploder
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AEfx
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Not to mention that just in terms of geography/ecology, the US is one of the most diverse landscapes on the planet.
In any case, what you've been reading here is a lot of residue from the late-20th century notions of middle-class American values. The middle-class that statistically no longer exists, yet a surprising number of people still believe themselves to be part of. Some would categorize themselves today as "upper-middle-class" - but in the current economy is more aptly termed "beginner-level-upper-class".
It wasn't until the 70's/80's that even domestic air travel really became within reach of middle-class Americans for recreational purposes. Before that, air travel was for necessity only, when it was an option at all. Before that, "family vacation" meant getting in the car and going camping for a week or, maybe a splurge on a cabin somewhere within a day drive from your home. That's why WDW came around at just the right time - to take advantage of this new market of middle-class consumers to whom domestic air vacations were becoming within reach.
EPCOT Center in particular was incredibly timely in this regard, as it coincided with the increased romanticism surrounding international air travel when it started trickling within reach of those on the higher end of the middle-class scale. Until then, going "overseas" almost exclusively meant you had served in the military, to the vast majority of Americans.
That's why WDW was really considered a cultural experience back then - while we can kvetch about EPCOT Center vs. Epcot, that's almost entirely about Future World. World Showcase, stagnant as it has been until very recently, is of a time where most middle-class folks were just starting to dream about visiting some of those places.
This morphed as we got into the 90's, and on until now, as the economic divide really took hold - fueled by the concurrent and astronomical rise of multiculturalism. This has led to the adoption of what was formerly only a notion of the very most upper-crust - the casual judging one's worth/life experience largely on how "well-traveled" they are (colloquially tied into the notion of people being divided by "people who have a passport" and "people who don't have a passport /wink /wink").