Exprcoofto
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If you knew the answer, then why did you make this thread? To purposely get people annoyed?
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WDW 2010: Same old pixie dust?
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If you knew the answer, then why did you make this thread? To purposely get people annoyed?
Universal has a wonderful product in Orlando (although being a movie buff, I'd rather visit Hollywood ... and from a theme park perspective, UNI-Japan blows away its American cousins much the the way TDR offers a more Disney product than Disney itself does now).
But interesting how this thread has taken the turn to yet another Disney vs. UNI bashfest.
I'd expect most folks here favor Disney. Overall, I do too. I am a big Disney fanboi myself or I wouldn't be here. That doesn't mean that Uni (or BEC's parks) is some vastly inferior product. In some ways, Uni does things better than Disney. I'll take Spidey over CTX ... MiB over Buzz ... Mummy over RnRC any day.
But that's neither here nor there.
Pixie dust is powerful. I have heard enough stories from Disney fans who took one whole day out of week-long or 10 day trips to visit UNI and couldn't wait to get back to the safety of WDW Marketing Hype.
I am not immune to pixie dust at all. But stale pixie dust doesn't do it for me. Need the fresh stuff!
RSoxNo1
Well-Known Member
I typically go in early December and it's been dead. I would guess that I'm not seeing the entire queue then? I'm probably missing villains and what not.
I think that's a smart decision. I am not a comic book fan, I'm indifferent towards them but I'm at least familiar with the characters and have seen the three Spiderman movies. The storyline as a simple good vs. evil is easy enough to comprehend and it doesn't detract from the ride.
Most of the visuals are screen based because most of the ride is stationary in front of a screen, much like Toy Story. Now while you're in front of the screen the ride turns into a simulator, but the sets/effects that are not the screens aren't what makes the ride. It's the simulator/screen aspect. I also am guessing that the simulated drop isn't that difficult, it's just a cycling of the windows. It's certainly impressive, but I'm also lumping that in with the screens as it's used with the screens for the effect.
I think the problem is that on this site, "screen based ride" is defamatory. I don't feel that way at all - I like how the screens are used on many attractions, and I feel that screens can do things that audio animatronics and other technologies cannot.
My point was that by targeting men and men only you are less likely to get Universal Orlando as a vacation destination. If it appealed to families like Disney does, they would be more apt to see people spend more than a day or two there.
A few years ago we went to Islands of Adventure with my nephew who was 6 months old. They couldn't take him on anything in that park because it all has height restrictions. They couldn't even take him on The Cat and the Hat because he had to be able to sit up on his own.
Now Harry Potter started as a Children's franchise, but as the series evolved, the books and the movies became darker (I believe the last few movies have been PG13. I don't doubt that the land will have elements which children can interact with the environment, but without a children/family friendly dark ride, I don't think this land is going to be a significant hit on Disney's attendance.
_Scar
Active Member
You started this thread stating WDW was getting nothing and IoA was getting Harry Potter...
And you're shocked it turned into Uni vs. WDW? Are you serious? :brick::hammer:
It's because if you look at all of WDW1974's posts earlier today they were nearly all negative it's extremely annoying. jt04 has a right to state what he did (wow, I just stood up for jt :lol
Please. Grow up and join the real world. Everything isn't magical all the time.
The OP wasn't negative so much as matter of fact. If you don't like the fact Disney is putting forth largely the same stale product year after year in Central FLA then take it up with Burbank. I'm just stating what's factual.
What's annoying is when folks have nothing of substance to add (or even a pithy one liner) and simply post to take a shot.
They also have nice parades in Paris and Hong Kong. Seasonal ones as well. And you are right, PPP at DCA is a fun and creative parade.
As to an earlier question, some of WDW's floats (including the huge princess float) have been around and recycled since 1981.
Did I ask?
Can you not discuss the subject at hand?
WDW IS stale, largely. But it's my local resort and a bad day at EPCOT or DAK is better ... well, frankly, I don't really have bad days there.
That's not the point at all.
And since WDW is so close, I don't consider most of my visits there as vacations. More like escapes.
But I'd be a happier man if so many fans didn't defend mediocrity and decisions that give them a lesser product.
EPCOT Explorer
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Sooo....Seeing that everything has already been said...:lookaroun:lol:
Questions/Sugestions:
Questions/Sugestions:
- WWYC? No more? Now that we have "Give a Disney Day" does that mean we loose all the craptakular banners? Exciting!:lookaroun
- BAH Removal? the 10 years are up.
- Innoventions Rebrand? They've kept it quiet, but I have some rumblings.:shrug:
Spectro is a classic at this point. Realized that on my last trip...It's become what MSEP is to Disneyland to our MK. I think it should stay...but be upgraded of course.:wave:
_Scar
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You probably are. The queue gets you all pumped up for the ride.
Agree.
I think the combination make the ride. It's the first ride system of its kind, and it wasn't meant to be split between screen/simulator/dark ride but rather a combination as a whole. I think the screen time and not screen time is about 50/50 though.
Very, very true!
My family still loves to go. If you have a dominant male family then you're probably more likely to go. :shrug: (even though my family is more female than male, they still love it! :lol
Yes, that's IoA's biggest flaw IMO.
Well, no child I know could read any of those HP books. :lol: I think it's more like a teenager/young adult series or the series was meant to grow with its audience? I like the dark aspect of the later books. It's great seeing how Harry grows and evolves from an innocent 10 year old into the person we see today and how he handles those "dark" situations.
There's only one problem here.
And that's the fact no one I know at Disney and no reputable online 'expert' has said a thing about any new version of Soarin.
And last I heard, OLC had nixed the idea of Soarin for TDS, so if a film is made it will be for WDW and/or DCA.
You're going back almost a decade. And sadly look at that list. How many things are simple refurbs? How many are replacement attractions (usually vastly inferior ones)?
For having FOUR major gates, WDW has been woefully short on both major and minor new attractions as well as new entertainment offerings be they seasonal, parades, pyro, shows etc ...
_Scar
Active Member
This whole thread is simply to take a shot at WDW. You constantly say it's stale.
So, what does it matter if they think you're always posting something negative? You are! At least admit it
:lol:
I think that's a bit harsh, Steve.
And while I agree generally that Disney has had better staff, it certainly isn't like it once was.
A friend called me a few days ago after pulling up to the Epcot parking plaza and was greeted by a CM who was SMOKING. Same friend later saw a CM at the entrance plaza with a Sea World water bottle around her neck.
If this was even a decade ago, those folks (if they had even been hired) would have been fired on the spot.
The bottom line is on Disney forums UNI's cast are often portrayed like the seedy old carnies that Walt was sickened by and largely that isn't the reality at all.
EpcotServo
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Spiderman IS mostly screen based. Every scene you went on to mention has a screen. Especially the simulated drop, which is entirely a screen and nothing else.
:lol:
I don't take "screen based" as a derogatory term though, so...
:shrug:
And Midway Mania is more complex than anyone can imagine.
The technology to make a 3-D image 3 dimensional from every angle, let alone, calculate and redirect trajectory from vehicles that don't always park in the same spot is nothing compared to the technology that keeps 20 ride trains and 52 screens operating in perfect coordination, not to mention the astronomical number of plates that are broke in a single day, and the raw computing power that has to render them in real time without pause or glitch, and do so in high definition 3 dimensional projection. And did I mention all of this happens at the same time, in 10 game booths, on two tracks, operating ten to twenty hours a day, seven days a week, and all year round? Oh yeah, and these thousands a guests an hour can never see more than one Toy Story character in one place.
And that's just the middle part of the iceberg, there's still a boatload of neat stuff further under the water.
:lol:
Only when the Yeti brakes it won't maim/strand/rough house/injure/beat up tourists.
:lol:
Seriously, I used to defend them getting RRR running, but it's been having way too many delayed openings and they're still only running like two of seven trains. And there's that one train that makes the ride rough. I don't think it's dangerous or poorly designed, I just think it's become a Test Track sized headache.
(Oh, and at least the Yeti got three years under it's belt...)
sponono88
Well-Known Member
This whole thread is simply to take a shot at WDW. You constantly say it's stale.
So, what does it matter if they think you're always posting something negative? You are! At least admit it
He has the right to express his opinions just like everyone else :shrug: If people don't agree with what he has to say and/or don't want to read his posts, then maybe they shouldn't have clicked on this thread in the first place. And although you may not agree with him it certainly is a fact that nothing major is opening in 2010.. so far nothing has been announced yet.
HDKL's Halloween parade looks amazing. It really is sad that the rest of the world gets big, lavish productions (that can sometimes go way over-the-top. hello, Tokyo! :lol
Here in the States we get a closed Fantasyland Theatre replaced with princess meet-and-greets and shows like the Stitch Supersonic celebration.
I dont know what it is, but in my experience, if you are going to have a guest service issue with a CM, it's going to be at a parking booth, with security, or at the Epcot International Gateway.
However, taking those out of the equation, and particularly in-park, I don't think you'll beat a Disney CM. I would rank them in a different league to any other park. The vast majority are excellent. At other parks, I've found only a minority to be excellent.
I think you have to consider that Disney as a whole, and including the current park offering does represent real pixie dust to many many guests - even taking the marketing out of it (true pixie dust never goes out of style, no matter how old it is) . For many guests, it isn't the latest ETicket, or the latest firework show that they take away with them, it's an interaction with a character or a cast members, the first site of the castle, and so on. It sounds very cheesy, but talking to people outside of the fan community, this is the kinda thing you hear.
_Scar
Active Member
But that's just your personal experiences. :shrug:
This whole thread is "WDW is so stale. IoA is getting stuff. When is Disney not going to suck?". I'd be surpised if I was the only one to see this. This isn't even News or Rumors either, it's complaining and ranting.
Exprcoofto
New Member
100% correct! :sohappy:
_Scar
Active Member
Point taken about the drop, but the other scenes aren't. I love screens for rides and how they are being used. I couldn't imagine Nemo as an AA, but on screen it looks just right. I do hope TLM isn't screen based though because of its very elaborate scenes like Under the Sea and Kiss de Girl, but some concepts screens work wonders on!
If you knew the answer, then why did you make this thread? To purposely get people annoyed?
To stimulate discussion. ... And have fun.
It's worked ... on both counts.