I should have said Thank you not sorryno need to apologize - was agreeing with you and expanding!
I should have said Thank you not sorryno need to apologize - was agreeing with you and expanding!
Yeah, limiting ride counts would certainly be against ADA. It'd be like letting someone park in a handicap parking spot only one time per day. Unfettered and equal access is the goal.This doesn't work for a few reasons:
1) The point of DAS is to provide accommodation to those who need it. If you want to ride Space Mountain a dozen times, you could get in the standby line repeatedly to do so. You should not be barred from doing this just because you have a disability.
2) There are a number of special needs kids who really only want to ride 1-2 rides repeatedly on their trip, in many cases such rides provide a therapeutic effect.
This is the best take in 82 pagesKid sees mickey and is screaming and crying, mom keeps trying to force the kid to take a solo picture and takes up time, attendant essentially tells mom to take picture with them(in a nice way), kid stops crying the second mom picks them up.
Happens constantly.
Traumatizing your kid for a solo photo fpr instagram/facebook that you don't need instead of not making the experience bad for your kid.
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I agree with both of you to an extent. I've seen kids with clear DD who clearly don't want to ride my ride be forced onto it by parents who are using their kid for the pass.
But I don't know the needs or dynamic all families have, i used to work at a location where a young boy just wanted to re-ride with his mom for 9 hours straight. He was amazing and im glad DAS allowed him to do that effectively.
It's a complicated topic
agreedPlus, I really don't think that folks consider the optics of Disney requiring disabled guests to wait in designated areas "just for them." Not that it was on the table in the first place, but since folks keep suggesting it as a solution.
No, there shouldn't be limits but people need to acknowledge that it isn't a one to one comparison because of how the system works. For example, if Space Mountain averages an hour wait all day and I want to ride it a dozen times I just ate up my entire day sitting in the line for Space Mountain for those 12 rides. A person with DAS can go do as much as they can fit between each ride so they end up riding SM 12 times plus a bunch of the rest of the park.his doesn't work for a few reasons:
1) The point of DAS is to provide accommodation to those who need it. If you want to ride Space Mountain a dozen times, you could get in the standby line repeatedly to do so. You should not be barred from doing this just because you have a disability.
Absolutely this and thankfully, the new system shouldn't impact the groups that generally fall into this category.2) There are a number of special needs kids who really only want to ride 1-2 rides repeatedly on their trip, in many cases such rides provide a therapeutic effect.
No, there shouldn't be limits but people need to acknowledge that it isn't a one to one comparison because of how the system works. For example, if Space Mountain averages an hour wait all day and I want to ride it a dozen times I just ate up my entire day sitting in the line for Space Mountain for those 12 rides. A person with DAS can go do as much as they can fit between each ride so they end up riding SM 12 times plus a bunch of the rest of the park.
As I posted earlier in this thread, they are in fact already doing exactly that. Well before these new crackdown. I know this from experience because my mother has had increasing difficulty convincing cast to let her use DAS over the past couple of years now. And again, she has legitimate physical conditions that classify her as disabled by her doctors, and has verifiable evidence of it too.I donāt think they have any intent to deny appropriate accommodationsā¦
A better questionā¦. Why wouldnāt they be?Why are people with autism attracted to Disney?
I canāt wait to look for a CM and raise my hand like a second grader for a bathroom pass, then the confrontation when I attempt to turn around in line to leaveā¦then attempt to get back into the same spot I was in. People complaining about DAS users ācuttingā the line..I canāt WAIT for the complaints about the people cutting the line to get back inā¦I don't even know how it will work since there arnt CMs all throughout the line and like you said other people without a disability will want to use it so who do you even talk to to get it? No one wants to discuss their issues at every ride multiple times.
Your Space Mountain example, while extreme, illustrates why I think Disney may be going the route of strictly limiting who can actually use the DAS. For people who cannot get by without it, it probably is not offering them a superior theme park experience. They likely are not using it to optimize their park day, rather they are using it to avoid being stuck in a queue for a multitude of reasons that are case dependent.No, there shouldn't be limits but people need to acknowledge that it isn't a one to one comparison because of how the system works. For example, if Space Mountain averages an hour wait all day and I want to ride it a dozen times I just ate up my entire day sitting in the line for Space Mountain for those 12 rides. A person with DAS can go do as much as they can fit between each ride so they end up riding SM 12 times plus a bunch of the rest of the park.
Absolutely this and thankfully, the new system shouldn't impact the groups that generally fall into this category.
As has been mentionedā¦ different lines can trigger guests differently. The peoplemover is a short line that is 100% outdoors and moves quickly. Very different than the line for Peter Pan.Also the people who actually can't wait in a traditional queue won't be getting in line for other rides in the interim
Iām not disputing any of what you sayā¦I was just wondering if you could elaborate on what the condition(s) are in general terms and what they have said regarding access?As I posted earlier in this thread, they are in fact already doing exactly that. Well before these new crackdown. I know this from experience because my mother has had increasing difficulty convincing cast to let her use DAS over the past couple of years now. And again, she has legitimate physical conditions that classify her as disabled by her doctors, and has verifiable evidence of it too.
Since the past couple of years, she has been told by cast that DAS is intended to accommodate only from-birth mental illnesses, not physical.
Her doctor incidentally (who is also a big Disney fan and visits often) also agrees that the exclusionary direction DAS has been moving towards regarding those who really need it is unacceptable.
I donāt mind that a family that has any number of difficulties that I donāt have gets to ride the peoplemover while Iām in line for space mountain.That is a far superior and not at all equal experience - hence the fraud.
Or the guest with disabilities could be having a meltdown in the middle of Fantasyland, requiring the intervention of the whole family. You act as if the guests with DAS have it made, but in reality, those with legitimate needs often face additional barriers to enjoyment of the park that non-disabled guests will never face. It's not always an even trade off, but rest assured that guests with legitimate needs are not simply kicking back on the Peoplemover while you wait in the physical queue, and they wait virtually, for Space Mountain.Exactly, and why you are enjoying your ride around Tomorrowland on the Peoplemover, your "equal" counterpart is standing in an hour long Space Mountain line.
That is a far superior and not at all equal experience - hence the fraud. Don't solve that, won't solve the fraud.
So what is your suggested alternative?I canāt wait to look for a CM and raise my hand like a second grader for a bathroom pass, then the confrontation when I attempt to turn around in line to leaveā¦then attempt to get back into the same spot I was in. People complaining about DAS users ācuttingā the line..I canāt WAIT for the complaints about the people cutting the line to get back inā¦
You do still have to wait in the LL, true. But under a certain threshold of wait, the time needed to get into that lighting lane is under what Disney is posting. At least for me.Interesting because we have had the opposite experience our return time was always the posted wait time and Disney tends to pad those. Then you still have to wait some in the LL.
I agree they are similar however they are not meant to be compared. Let me just correct a few things you do not get a return time 10-20 minutes less we have never noticed a time less than exactly the wait time.Why do people keep acting like DAS and G+ are not comparable? Yes, we know they are not the same but they are very similar and most of the time I would argue DAS is much better.
G+:
- Select a vague, maybe accurate return time that is anywhere from now to never as a ride can no longer be available, even early in the day.
- Can be used once per ride.
- Can not select another for 2 hours or until you scan into the ride.
- Can only be used on rides with G+.
- Is paid.
DAS:
- You are given a return time based on the current wait time minus 10-20 minutes set aside for travel but never āruns outā.
- Can be used as many times as you like.
- Can only have one at a time and can select another as soon as you scan into the ride.
- Getās two preselects if approved ahead of time.
- Can be used on rides that donāt have G+.
- Is free.
Those are very similar with DAS looking like the more attractive option in many ways. That is not even remotely an issue when you are talking about people who can't even visit without these accommodations but that isn't what is happening. Technically I qualify for pre change DAS and that is a problem because there is ZERO reason I should be allowed into that system.
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