Gideon's Bakehouse coming to Disney Springs

[MisterPenguin]

For those who haven't done so, I would suggest reading the full letter.

Here are just a few "highlights."


"There is an odor most foul in the Bakehouse. It is the stench of the fish rotting from the head."

"Now, we, the collective, have banded together to deliver this tome- not as a warning of what is to come, but as a final demand to resolve the issues outlined herein. Make no mistake, if the following solutions are not implemented with immediate effect, we will do everything in our power to topple this cookie castle permanently."

"How dare you drag the entire workforce to a 9AM meeting, demanding our presence, and then talk directly at us with the most mundane drivel we’ve ever heard. Do not call us in for a mandatory meeting again when the points can be covered in an email..."

"Through our vast, and well connected network [of social media, gov. health agencies, Disney Springs management]... steps have already been implemented... these competent bodies are awaiting our word."

"like we’re trapped on an 1800’s plantation- working for the big house."


When a letter like this is written with the overwrought, melodramatic pretentiousness of a petulant teenager, where everything is a threatening, non-negotiable "demand" that must be implemented "immediately"... or else, and it includes things like comparing their situation to slaves working in the "big house" on a plantation, it makes it very hard to take them seriously. They even have a paragraph that essentially reads, "our parents are very important people." Many of their demands are also unrealistic or unreasonable.

Like someone posted above, it's so poorly and unprofessionally written that it almost reads like a parody.

It's the kind of thing you find written in a scroll going through a desk in a D&D game.

 

[jaklgreen]

So an employee has responded. This is to a story.

NSFW language in there:

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With an actual paycheck.
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$1322 in a paycheck isn't bad.

Some other stuff:

Apparently no one has been fired over sexuality. One person fired over points.

Poster felt supported by management with own autism.

Ghost writer named the wrong person who said the racial slur.

Poster has no knowledge about anyone else consulted, asked about going public, etc. And poster argued that ghost writer went about process improperly.

Poster acknowledges some things should be changed and that unionization is supported, but reiterated that it should have been handled internally first because riling up online mobs before attempting negotiating through other means can do damage unnecessarily.

But isn't minimum wage in Florida $12/hour? Just because they put a tip jar out doesn't mean that they are considered a tipped employee. For the same reason why Starbucks employees are not considered a tipped position. So paying them the tipped wage instead of minimum, that alone makes the owner sketchy.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But isn't minimum wage in Florida $12/hour? Just because they put a tip jar out doesn't mean that they are considered a tipped employee. For the same reason why Starbucks employees are not considered a tipped position. So paying them the tipped wage instead of minimum, that alone makes the owner sketchy.

Under the Fair Labor Standards Act a tipped employee is simply one that receives more than $30 per month in tips. Tips plus the reduced wage must also be equal to or greater than the non-tipped minimum wage.

 

[Andrew C]

So paying them the tipped wage instead of minimum, that alone makes the owner sketchy.

ehh...without knowing the entire story, hard to make that determination IMO.

 

[Lilofan]

But isn't minimum wage in Florida $12/hour? Just because they put a tip jar out doesn't mean that they are considered a tipped employee. For the same reason why Starbucks employees are not considered a tipped position. So paying them the tipped wage instead of minimum, that alone makes the owner sketchy.

Yea right those tips are ALL declared

 

[jaklgreen]

Yea right those tips are ALL declared

Declaring them is another issue. But I imagine that is the reason why they are going to only accepting tips through the register so that the owner can say "see, they make so much in tips". All of this sounds sketchy on the owners part. I have worked these types of jobs for over 30 years and something doesn't smell right here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Declaring them is another issue. But I imagine that is the reason why they are going to only accepting tips through the register so that the owner can say "see, they make so much in tips". All of this sounds sketchy on the owners part. I have worked these types of jobs for over 30 years and something doesn't smell right here.

The paycheck someone posted showed the tips being more than 50% of the paycheck. That’s way more than enough to show that the full minimum wage is being met.

 

[jaklgreen]

The paycheck someone posted showed the tips being more than 50% of the paycheck. That’s way more than enough to show that the full minimum wage is being met.

Yes, I am not saying that they don't make enough in tips to make over minimum wage. I am saying that it is not standard in this industry to pay people in these positions tipped wages. This is actually the first company that I have heard do this and not just pay at least minimum wage and they get to keep tips. That in itself shows the owner to be unethical. He saves a whole bunch of money by doing this. It is sleazy to not pay even minimum wage regardless of tips.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We're supposed to regularly and substantially tip workers behind a counter?

 

[Figgy1]

The paycheck someone posted showed the tips being more than 50% of the paycheck. That’s way more than enough to show that the full minimum wage is being met.

Supposedly there has been a change in policy and that check was before the change. What affect according to the OP won't be seen until the next paycheck.

 

[Nunu]

We're supposed to regularly and substantially tip workers behind a counter?

Where I come from, no.

Always thought it kinda silly, tbh. The way I see it, we'd have to tip the cashier at every store.

At Gideon's, all the cashier does, is put the cookie in a paper sleeve, charge me, and hand me the product I paid for. Is that worthy of a tip?, idk.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Supposedly there has been a change in policy and that check was before the change. What affect according to the OP won't be seen until the next paycheck.

The tips shown on the pay stub are likely from those given by card. Not having a cash tip jar may represent a loss but probably not enough to create a legal issue.

 

[Figgy1]

The tips shown on the pay stub are likely from those given by card. Not having a cash tip jar may represent a loss but probably not enough to create a legal issue.

We'll know within the next week or so. It's speculation at the moment.

 

[Lilofan]

We're supposed to regularly and substantially tip workers behind a counter?

Obviously some do since tip jars generally full based on some guest feedback. No one is forcing anyone to tip.

 

[Lilofan]

Yes, I am not saying that they don't make enough in tips to make over minimum wage. I am saying that it is not standard in this industry to pay people in these positions tipped wages. This is actually the first company that I have heard do this and not just pay at least minimum wage and they get to keep tips. That in itself shows the owner to be unethical. He saves a whole bunch of money by doing this. It is sleazy to not pay even minimum wage regardless of tips.

An owner paying min wage is unethical? Just described a number of businesses. Wait till the holidays come up and some guests like us are in a better tipping mood. $$

 

[Lilofan]

But isn't minimum wage in Florida $12/hour? Just because they put a tip jar out doesn't mean that they are considered a tipped employee. For the same reason why Starbucks employees are not considered a tipped position. So paying them the tipped wage instead of minimum, that alone makes the owner sketchy.

If the owner is what you think they are then the Mouse agreed to have Gideons move into Disney Springs.

 

[jaklgreen]

We're supposed to regularly and substantially tip workers behind a counter?

No, not in any place that I have ever worked. The fact that they solicit these tips and expect the tips to cover the wages of the employees makes them look bad, IMO.

 

[jaklgreen]

An owner paying min wage is unethical? Just described a number of businesses. Wait till the holidays come up and some guests like us are in a better tipping mood. $$

But they are not paying minimum wage. They are paid under as if they are a tipped position, like servers.

 

[jaklgreen]

If the owner is what you think they are then the Mouse agreed to have Gideons move into Disney Springs.

Is there a point here?

 

[lazyboy97o]

But they are not paying minimum wage. They are paid under as if they are a tipped position, like servers.

It is a tipped position as evidenced by the pay stubs showing tips. Not thinking the role should be tipped doesn’t really matter.