YT: Why Isn’t There Public Transit From the Airport to Disney World?

[lewisc]

Yeah, I'm against paying money for terrible systems like most public transit. Public services can be served by the private market better, cheaper, and more efficiently in almost every case. Transportation isn't some mystery or natural monopoly.

Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore all make money and thus it makes sense to run them.

Others generally waste everyone's money, breed crime, and provide marginal benefits to few.

Brightline is near bankruptcy. Public subsidies allow for lower pricing which attracts more riders.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Brightline is near bankruptcy. Public subsidies allow for lower pricing which attracts more riders.

Unfortunately just about everything is subsidized in this country. I think if sports stadiums with million dollar teams playing in them can be subsidized- the bus or rail system that brings lower wage employees to work at said stadium could also be subsidized.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yeah, I'm against paying money for terrible systems like most public transit. Public services can be served by the private market better, cheaper, and more efficiently in almost every case. Transportation isn't some mystery or natural monopoly.

Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore all make money and thus it makes sense to run them.

Others generally waste everyone's money, breed crime, and provide marginal benefits to few.

The London Tube operates at a loss, and that's not a bad thing. It's far more complicated economically than you're implying. The Tube is easily a net positive for the London economy despite operating at a loss.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The London Tube operates at a loss, and that's not a bad thing. It's far more complicated economically than you're implying. The Tube is easily a net positive for the London economy despite operating at a loss.

New York Subway as well right? And Chicago El, and……

 

[Chef Mickey]

The London Tube operates at a loss, and that's not a bad thing. It's far more complicated economically than you're implying. The Tube is easily a net positive for the London economy despite operating at a loss.

Meh, I've been in it and it's a dump. It may very well be needed but it's hard to fix something that's already in place and bailed-out prior. Now, there is entrenched bureaucracy, sunk costs, politics, and saving face that make alternatives unrealistic. I think it's operating better now, but taxpayers have helped it along many times.

It's also complicated as to why private industry has a hard time taking it over because governments make it nearly impossible with regulations, licenses and other red tape to operate effectively.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Meh, I've been in it and it's a dump.

How so? The trains themselves? (Some are older than others - just like airplanes), the underground stations? The clientele?

What would fix it from being a dump?

 

[Andrew C]

And unfortunately that bus only drops off at the former west side station over by Cirque. I’ve been staying at Wyndham and Hilton lately and the other Lynx routes drop off right there at the corner.

I walked around the back way through Saratoga to the Wyndham! Ha

JR lines are profitable. Took them a lot to get to that state, including government support. Some are still state owned. It’s a pretty interesting story for how public transportation in Japan got to where it is today.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

JR lines are profitable. Took them a lot to get to that state, including government support.

Would that be…. Financial support??

 

[Andrew C]

Would that be…. Financial support??

At the beginning of their transportation overhaul, yes. They were state owned. It was a long process but now most in the JR group are independent and turn a profit. A couple still struggle, and those are still controlled by the state. Again, it’s a very interesting story.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

At the beginning of their overhaul, yes. It was a long process but now most in the JR group are independent and turn a profit.

That’s still subsidized then correct? They are now operationally profitable, which is great.

I’m not overly familiar - i hope to one day visit Japan for the trains and for the Disney parks!

Edit to add: or does subsidized mean continual subsidy? What’s the term for government investment then?

 

[Andrew C]

This is a good summary of their shift to privatization.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This is a good summary of their shift to privatization.

I’ll give it a watch later on but I’m guessing it’s somewhat unique to Japan - similar to why Oriental Land Company operates the parks so differently.

Japan is a very different country vs. the USA and the UK.

 

[Andrew C]

I’ll give it a watch later on but I’m guessing it’s somewhat unique to Japan - similar to why Oriental Land Company operates the parks so differently.

Japan is a very different country vs. the USA and the UK.

Oh. Certainly.

 

[Chef Mickey]

How so? The trains themselves? (Some are older than others - just like airplanes), the underground stations? The clientele?

What would fix it from being a dump?

All of the above. London in general was a dump.

Probably firing the idiots that run England.