When Working in Disney World Means Being Stuck Living in a Cheap Motel

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
What is your opinion on what a Disney bus driver should make? They have the responsibility of you and 75 others traveling down the highway and are held accountable for their actions in their personal vehicle.
They should make the prevailing rate for the area. It is different everywhere and it depends on the need vs. the supply of CDL trained drivers. I checked into it over 10 years ago and the starting rate was $10. ( and something per hour). I'm sure it is higher then that now. But, even back then I came from a bus company in the north and starting was $17. an hour and after one year is was $21. per hour. (That number is almost $27. per hour now) Doing the same job, but, in a different location. There are a lot of Disney drivers that have retired from commercial driving in cities and are doing the Disney Driver thing just for the fun of it. It is a marketable skill and the line isn't running out the door. However, from what I have seen those that do it full time are pretty close to compatible with outside the parks. Plus they get to go to the parks whenever they want and that was the whole idea of retiring there to begin with.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
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Just one question... if help is so hard to find, what's with the layoffs. If you can't find enough people to do the job why would you send them packing? I think you are underestimating the numbers of people that are willing to step in at any time. There is a fantasy connected with working for Disney, and it isn't about to just stop. When it does you will see the pay scale rise quite quickly.

Walt even had the answer to the housing problem when he built the Disney complex in Burbank. He wanted to build an apartment building on property so that the employee's of the studio would never have to leave. Back in the day they called that "Owing my soul to the company store". That was even part of EPCOT. A place where people could live and work, surely he wasn't talking about front line CM's because he never had a thought of paying them enough to live in that futuristic community.

In Orlando...they’ve had a hard time finding enough labor to staff consistently since the late 90’s...it’s why they have had to reduce hiring standards, rehire those that had been terminated in some cases, and massively overused college program.

If there are “layoffs”...it’s usually a situation where the local bookkeeper sees red ink or they try to streamline those particular classification.

Generally speaking, I don’t often disagree with your posts...this premise I don’t.

Working for Disney on the ground in central fla isn’t that attractive an option anymore...word has been out for a while. So it’s not ample supply that is depressing wages.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
What is your opinion on what a Disney bus driver should make? They have the responsibility of you and 75 others traveling down the highway and are held accountable for their actions in their personal vehicle.

More than minimum...and you can’t expect all of them to be retired cops or fireman working there to pass time without a financial care.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
In Orlando...they’ve had a hard time finding enough labor to staff consistently since the late 90’s...it’s why they have had to reduce hiring standards, rehire those that had been terminated in some cases, and massively overused college program.

If there are “layoffs”...it’s usually a situation where the local bookkeeper sees red ink or they try to streamline those particular classification.

Generally speaking, I don’t often disagree with your posts...this premise I don’t.

Working for Disney on the ground in central fla isn’t that attractive an option anymore...word has been out for a while. So it’s not ample supply that is depressing wages.
I can't agree with that, when it gets to the point where they cannot run the parks it will have an huge influence on, not what they want to pay, but, what they have to pay. I don't think that there is any danger now. The idea that they shouldn't rehire is foolishness anyway. Not everyone left because of justifiable or bad reasons. That rule prevented them from rehiring a lot of formally trained people. IBM used to do that in their manufacturing line. It was easy to get a "temp" job, but, they would hire a person new instead of making a temp into a full employee. They figured out, to late, that was a stupid plan.
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
More than minimum...and you can’t expect all of them to be retired cops or fireman working there to pass time without a financial care.
I'm not sure if I am reading this right or not, but, the drivers are not made up of cops and firemen necessarily. They can't do that without a CDL with passenger and air brake endorsement. Cops and firemen are probably the people that make up security and the fire and rescue. Drivers, I believe, are unionized. Minimum is a joke, but not a huge one. The going rate in Florida for bus drivers is not huge, but, that is more a southern thing and it is like that in NC as well.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I'm not sure if I am reading this right or not, but, the drivers are not made up of cops and firemen necessarily. They can't do that without a CDL with passenger and air brake endorsement. Cops and firemen are probably the people that make up security and the fire and rescue. Drivers, I believe, are unionized. Minimum is a joke, but not a huge one. The going rate in Florida for bus drivers is not huge, but, that is more a southern thing and it is like that in NC as well.

It was a analogy...the point is the drivers should be paid to live from a security/risk factor...and minimum wage isn’t liveable.

If you charged me $10 more a night to Have an alert, happy bus driver making $25 an hour...I’d pay it.

...instead, they’d charge me $20 a night and put it towards inappropriate dividends. To me...that ain’t right.
 

FireChiefGoofy

Well-Known Member
It was a analogy...the point is the drivers should be paid to live from a security/risk factor...and minimum wage isn’t liveable.

If you charged me $10 more a night to Have an alert, happy bus driver making $25 an hour...I’d pay it.

...instead, they’d charge me $20 a night and put it towards inappropriate dividends. To me...that ain’t right.

After 6 years I make $12.84 to drive your family around.
 

s8film40

Well-Known Member
They should make the prevailing rate for the area. It is different everywhere and it depends on the need vs. the supply of CDL trained drivers. I checked into it over 10 years ago and the starting rate was $10. ( and something per hour). I'm sure it is higher then that now. But, even back then I came from a bus company in the north and starting was $17. an hour and after one year is was $21. per hour. (That number is almost $27. per hour now) Doing the same job, but, in a different location. There are a lot of Disney drivers that have retired from commercial driving in cities and are doing the Disney Driver thing just for the fun of it. It is a marketable skill and the line isn't running out the door. However, from what I have seen those that do it full time are pretty close to compatible with outside the parks. Plus they get to go to the parks whenever they want and that was the whole idea of retiring there to begin with.
Disney bus drivers are a great example of how an average person with little or no skills can break away from the low wage jobs. Disney provides all training and the pay rate is well above the other entry level jobs. Additionally and many people go this route, you end up with a CDL in the process which you can then use to move onto another job. That’s where Mears gets a lot of their drivers. In other words you can get training and experience and work you’re way up to a very decent career all thanks to Disney.

That’s the funny thing many people focus on the negatives of living in a theme park community, but there are some benefits and great opportunities as well.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Disney bus drivers are a great example of how an average person with little or no skills can break away from the low wage jobs. Disney provides all training and the pay rate is well above the other entry level jobs. Additionally and many people go this route, you end up with a CDL in the process which you can then use to move onto another job. That’s where Mears gets a lot of their drivers. In other words you can get training and experience and work you’re way up to a very decent career all thanks to Disney.

That’s the funny thing many people focus on the negatives of living in a theme park community, but there are some benefits and great opportunities as well.

You’ve given a practical example of upward mobility. That is helpful.

What’s not are everytime I see “no education” used as an insult. We are a post industrial economy and we have REALLY struggled with that...more than you can tell on Main Street. Big longterm issues.

So the answer is to cram yourself into an overpopulated college system that costs 3-4 times it did for me not that long ago? For what with contracting demand?

A 2 TRILLION dollar college debt bubble has formed...there’s no money to pay it. It will be one of next great crises...something to look forward too.

We may have to go “backwards” to ever have a legit shot to move forward. Economic rage is real and we see it constantly now. Especially at 3 am on Twitter 🤡
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Disney bus drivers are a great example of how an average person with little or no skills can break away from the low wage jobs. Disney provides all training and the pay rate is well above the other entry level jobs. Additionally and many people go this route, you end up with a CDL in the process which you can then use to move onto another job. That’s where Mears gets a lot of their drivers. In other words you can get training and experience and work you’re way up to a very decent career all thanks to Disney.

That’s the funny thing many people focus on the negatives of living in a theme park community, but there are some benefits and great opportunities as well.
I got my CDL, because bus driving seemed like a fun way to end my career. I was 55 at the time. Primarily it was because I had thoughts of moving to Florida when I retired and felt that driving bus would be the answer to some supplemental income. And it wasn't just Disney, although that was my primary target, Mears, shuttles in other tourist places like the Kennedy Space Center (where I first got the idea while riding the bus taking the tour.) That CDL has made it easy to get a part time job even here in North Carolina, but, having it provide me with a very lucrative last 10 or so years of my working career. From management to the freedom of driving and then back to management in transit.

That is exactly one of the ways to break out of bad situations, there are many more. It just takes more then waiting for someone to knock on ones door begging to have you join them. One goes out and finds that path, it very seldom just comes to anyone without effort. And that is a place that usually doesn't require more then a high school education. There are more avenues toward a better life.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Premium Member
If min wage goes up to $15. I want more money for the difference between my pay and min wage.
You may actually when and if shakes out. The Water Park where both of kids worked for years and years has boosted their Lifeguard Positions starting salary to $11.50/hr. There are so many minimum wages jobs available now in Northern IL they had to do something to draw the young as they have to be trained and vetted. They pushed a year of service chart that kept the lifeguards that had been there earning more than the new hires. The same happened with the Head Guards and Managers.

Kids have to work hard in college in order to come out with high potential after graduation. My parents couldn’t help pay my tuition at all, but I worked my *** off and I’ve set myself up to have one heck of a life.

The college degree is devalued today and it’s sad. Anyone can get a degree in business or communications these days. But, that degree rarely puts people ahead. I’ve seen so many classmates selling cars or insurance after spending 4-5 years in college. It’s sad/pathetic because they chose to focus on different things in college. Rather than better there chances at finding a job, they partied and drank the years away.

I'm sorry your parents couldn't help you at all with going to college. I see working your
*** off has taken a toll on your empathy for others. That can make some bitter. I hope for your sake you someday have one heck of a life and you can help your someday children go to college so they don't have to struggle like you are. I've seen many young people come from homes where parents can't help and it does stress the students.

Me I've seen many a doctor. Some only once. Me, I've had a family physician for 30 years out of Harvard. He is kind to everyone. The type of human and doctor everyone deserves. One who treats others with respect, kindness and empathy. I've seen a few specialists and changed Docs quickly when they think too much of themselves. In the same orthopedic group I had a foot surgeon that was awesome and a hand surgeon that I walked out on. Some Docs have people skills, some don't. I did get a call from the lead partner wanting to know what the heck happened and I shared. We here all know our expectations for a CM at Disney World and the bar is high for most of us for low paid individuals. Me I expect so much more for a high paid physician.

I do disagree that a college education is devalued today otherwise you would not be seeking higher education. I have a long history of supporting higher education on these boards and believe that everyone should have the best education they can afford. My daughter came out of the University of Illinois with a double major and a minor in 3.5 years and onto Grad School. Oddly her University ranked #1-#3 in party schools. Yet their students do very well for themselves upon graduation so I'm not a fan of sweeping generalizations or putting down peoples majors. We have a long time member @StarWarsGirl that is about your age that graduated as a Business Major with honors and doing very well for herself in the tech field. It is disappointing you believe anyone can get her degree and put so little value in the degree. Me I watched her study hard over the years get into an excellent college and come out the otherside with a good position in the tech field.

One of my DDs friends from her University actually sells Lexus autos. She is so good at it. Some people garner not only a good education but also build some class and character which they bring to the table no matter what they choose as a career. This young woman in her mid twenties owns a McMansion and lives a very fine life. I'd never look down on her for how she makes a living. She had class as a kid and now as a young well educated business woman she is very successful. My DD former roommate is starting her 2nd year of residency at Northwestern University Hospital. Also a classy young woman. Her family fell on hard times during the recession. She is going to have lots of debt to pay off but she never looks down upon anyone. That is the type of person I admire. None of these young women need to look down on others to make themselves look or feel better about their chosen fields.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Premium Member
Get off your butt and get stuff done.

Ha! A Gilmore Girl Quote. Love it! :inlove:

We all garner our inspiration for different people. Me as a woman it was Mother Teresa, JK Rowling, Billie Jean King, Princess Diana, Rosa Parks
 

DisneyMedStudent

Well-Known Member
You may actually when and if shakes out. The Water Park where both of kids worked for years and years has boosted their Lifeguard Positions starting salary to $11.50/hr. There are so many minimum wages jobs available now in Northern IL they had to do something to draw the young as they have to be trained and vetted. They pushed a year of service chart that kept the lifeguards that had been there earning more than the new hires. The same happened with the Head Guards and Managers.



I'm sorry your parents couldn't help you at all with going to college. I see working your
*** off has taken a toll on your empathy for others. That can make some bitter. I hope for your sake you someday have one heck of a life and you can help your someday children go to college so they don't have to struggle like you are. I've seen many young people come from homes where parents can't help and it does stress the students.

Me I've seen many a doctor. Some only once. Me, I've had a family physician for 30 years out of Harvard. He is kind to everyone. The type of human and doctor everyone deserves. One who treats others with respect, kindness and empathy. I've seen a few specialists and changed Docs quickly when they think too much of themselves. In the same orthopedic group I had a foot surgeon that was awesome and a hand surgeon that I walked out on. Some Docs have people skills, some don't. I did get a call from the lead partner wanting to know what the heck happened and I shared. We here all know our expectations for a CM at Disney World and the bar is high for most of us for low paid individuals. Me I expect so much more for a high paid physician.

I do disagree that a college education is devalued today otherwise you would not be seeking higher education. I have a long history of supporting higher education on these boards and believe that everyone should have the best education they can afford. My daughter came out of the University of Illinois with a double major and a minor in 3.5 years and onto Grad School. Oddly her University ranked #1-#3 in party schools. Yet their students do very well for themselves upon graduation so I'm not a fan of sweeping generalizations or putting down peoples majors. We have a long time member @StarWarsGirl that is about your age that graduated as a Business Major with honors and doing very well for herself in the tech field. It is disappointing you believe anyone can get her degree and put so little value in the degree. Me I watched her study hard over the years get into an excellent college and come out the otherside with a good position in the tech field.

One of my DDs friends from her University actually sells Lexus autos. She is so good at it. Some people garner not only a good education but also build some class and character which they bring to the table no matter what they choose as a career. This young woman in her mid twenties owns a McMansion and lives a very fine life. I'd never look down on her for how she makes a living. She had class as a kid and now as a young well educated business woman she is very successful. My DD former roommate is starting her 2nd year of residency at Northwestern University Hospital. Also a classy young woman. Her family fell on hard times during the recession. She is going to have lots of debt to pay off but she never looks down upon anyone. That is the type of person I admire. None of these young women need to look down on others to make themselves look or feel better about their chosen fields.
I wouldn’t judge someone’s character based off an Internet forum.

For instance, I could assume a lot of things about yourself, but I’ll refrain as I don’t really know you, at least the person behind the keyboard. I didn’t insult you and don’t plan to, but I will ask why you decided to insult me. I chose to pursue medical school to become a doctor that everyone, rich and poor, feels comfortable talking to. I grew up blue collar and working class constantly listening to my parents describe how uncomfortable the doctors office was due to the class difference. I would NEVER judge a patient based on anything other than presenting symptoms.

But, you wouldn’t know that, would you?
 

DisneyMedStudent

Well-Known Member
You may actually when and if shakes out. The Water Park where both of kids worked for years and years has boosted their Lifeguard Positions starting salary to $11.50/hr. There are so many minimum wages jobs available now in Northern IL they had to do something to draw the young as they have to be trained and vetted. They pushed a year of service chart that kept the lifeguards that had been there earning more than the new hires. The same happened with the Head Guards and Managers.



I'm sorry your parents couldn't help you at all with going to college. I see working your
*** off has taken a toll on your empathy for others. That can make some bitter. I hope for your sake you someday have one heck of a life and you can help your someday children go to college so they don't have to struggle like you are. I've seen many young people come from homes where parents can't help and it does stress the students.

Me I've seen many a doctor. Some only once. Me, I've had a family physician for 30 years out of Harvard. He is kind to everyone. The type of human and doctor everyone deserves. One who treats others with respect, kindness and empathy. I've seen a few specialists and changed Docs quickly when they think too much of themselves. In the same orthopedic group I had a foot surgeon that was awesome and a hand surgeon that I walked out on. Some Docs have people skills, some don't. I did get a call from the lead partner wanting to know what the heck happened and I shared. We here all know our expectations for a CM at Disney World and the bar is high for most of us for low paid individuals. Me I expect so much more for a high paid physician.

I do disagree that a college education is devalued today otherwise you would not be seeking higher education. I have a long history of supporting higher education on these boards and believe that everyone should have the best education they can afford. My daughter came out of the University of Illinois with a double major and a minor in 3.5 years and onto Grad School. Oddly her University ranked #1-#3 in party schools. Yet their students do very well for themselves upon graduation so I'm not a fan of sweeping generalizations or putting down peoples majors. We have a long time member @StarWarsGirl that is about your age that graduated as a Business Major with honors and doing very well for herself in the tech field. It is disappointing you believe anyone can get her degree and put so little value in the degree. Me I watched her study hard over the years get into an excellent college and come out the otherside with a good position in the tech field.

One of my DDs friends from her University actually sells Lexus autos. She is so good at it. Some people garner not only a good education but also build some class and character which they bring to the table no matter what they choose as a career. This young woman in her mid twenties owns a McMansion and lives a very fine life. I'd never look down on her for how she makes a living. She had class as a kid and now as a young well educated business woman she is very successful. My DD former roommate is starting her 2nd year of residency at Northwestern University Hospital. Also a classy young woman. Her family fell on hard times during the recession. She is going to have lots of debt to pay off but she never looks down upon anyone. That is the type of person I admire. None of these young women need to look down on others to make themselves look or feel better about their chosen fields.
Very happy for your daughter and starwarsgirl. Definitely not the rule, though. I have nothing bad to say about either of them and am genuinely happy they received great value from their education.

As far as your Lexus dealer friend, that job does not require a college education. Nor does it guarantee job security. Sure, her situation is fine now, but that’s not guaranteed even a year from now. So, did her college set her up to live in a mansion forever (also, who cares she lives in a mansion? Very superficial)? Nope.
 

Gabe1

Ivory Tower Squabble EST 2011. WINDMILL SURVIVOR
Premium Member
You said it yourself, the positions are being filled. If the positions are being filled, they shouldn't/don't have to raise wages.

So you are fine with the volume of International one year temporary Cast Members filling the void? You find it acceptable that Disney let go well regarded employees and replaced them with International temporary green cards and comfortable with the now unemployed CMs having to train their replacements in order to receive their severance package? That is not a direction I support. Yes the positions are filled but I can't endorse it. When you over simplify what @raven stated by omitting what has happened and is in court now it slants the thread.

One of so many articles on Disney's hiring practices.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/...ed-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants.html
 

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