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Fastpass does bring out the entitlement in people.
Not everybody has a schedule that allows them to book 60 days out. Not everybody gets to visit long enough to get the hard to get FPs later in their trip. Not everybody finds tier one FPs same day for the (many) attractions they were tiered out of scheduling in advance.I don’t create the rules. I just play by them. And I always book at the 60 day mark and I have never even come close to getting shut out. Is what it is.
Oh, and not sure exactly who the “average guest” is that you’re referring to, lol!
Not everybody has a schedule that allows them to book 60 days out. Not everybody gets to visit long enough to get the hard to get FPs later in their trip. Not everybody finds tier one FPs same day for the (many) attractions they were tiered out of scheduling in advance.
I think this is overlooked the most from the "fastpass is the greatest and has no flaws" crowd. Until fastpass was installed on rides like spaceship earth, pirates, haunted mansion... you rarely waited more than 15/20 min. Every trip we've taken since, it's rarely under 35/40 min. Never in my almost 40yrs of going to the parks was pirates 60min. (Except breakdowns) every trip since fastpass was installed, it has hit that number multiple times per trip.And since they added FP to everything they could, it happens more and more often. Your wait might be shorter than before on the headliners you get a FP for, but then the smaller rides that used to have short waits now have much longer waits.
I would say this does offer some proof. Oh wait, does that make me a troll to agree?Honestly, the fact that Disney chose to not open SWGE with Fastpass, because they were anticipating massive crowds for it, is all the proof you need that it makes standby wait times longer than they otherwise would be.
That'a not what happened at all. someone said "no" they would not want fastpass and you started in saying "why wouldn't you want a shorter wait" then they went on and explained how its not a shorter wait and how the system actually works and you pretty much belittled that opinion and condenscendingly acted like you knew better when it appears you have no idea what you are talking about.When
No offense but I was far from dismissive and/or rude. I started this thread by asking a simple question and all the locals went ballistic saying how bad fast pass was because their wait times went up vs the 60 day booking people toward me.
Justice, obviously we are on opposite sides of all this, but I will admit (devil’s advocate, and no hard feelings to you or the other FP proponents by the way, I like them too vs current standby times, but like them a whole lot less vs non-FP standby times that are unaffected by people feeling like they have to book a certain ride when they can get it or skip things they like nearby their location because they can only get a FP for something way across the park), sometimes it works thoroughly great for me. But that’s entirely because i’ve been enough in the last two years to know exactly what I’m doing (I had no idea what i was doing even staying at POFQ in 2016, but even though now I’m the exception that works every bit of the system to my advantage, even I would prefer a consistent, lower wait standby line to the slight benefits of FP after having to rearrange trips and walk many extra miles to make it work for me).Last time I was in Animal Kingdom, I rode Expedition Everest, Kilimanjaro Safari and Flight of Passage with a combined total wait time of about 35 minutes.
Long live fastpasses!!!
While I fully agree with you on FP making lines longer, that is an oversimplification of the parties. Many people, on this and other boards, say they wouldn't waste valuable party time on rides they can take on park days. People like to do the party stuff at the party, and meet special characters, and a higher percentage of guests see the parade and fireworks than a typical night at MK. While no FP makes a big difference, it is not the only factor at the party making lines short.Local here, and by local I mean I see the fireworks from my house every night...we do not REALLY care about the 60 day window. Because we either 1) will get a room eventually if there's something going on or 2) can just...go...when you're not here. Dorian spooked so many people out of the park we got into Savi's. Twice. Had almost no wait anywhere. And each park I went to was mostly local. I don't need a 60 day window I just need to look at the forecast.
Furthermore, I can critique a system that creates a false sense of scarcity and value without having "you're just mad about what you cant get" because...I can get it, but I really...don't need it. The fastpass system creates excessive lines. The lines aren't shorter during EMH or MNSSHP because "there's less people." Everyone it seems, has been complaining about how crowded parties are. The lines move faster because there are no FPs. That's all. No big mystery.
Except as I stated if you came into the park in the afternoon and all fastpass return times had been distributed, that’s not an option to you. If there are no FP are available you can’t have one. We had this situation for Radiator Springs Racers at DCA and we waited over two hours in standby as FP was not available and we wouldn’t have been able to ride otherwise. Whereas currently with the Millennium Falcon there is a fast moving standby line as the only option.You left out my choice which is why you are missing the whole point. I would select a fastpass and wait no more than 15 or 20 mins to get on the ride.
Oh you're right about that, the priorities are different. But let's say during the day the time for space mountain says 60 minutes. The physical line might be all the way into the building, and down that first set of stairs. But at a Halloween party the line can be 30 minutes long and stick all the way out the building. The amount of time a person spends standing in the exact same spot due to people with FPs just isn't there at a party. So while interest definitely determines how many people physically line up, the presence or lack of FPs determines how long that person stands in the same spot.While I fully agree with you on FP making lines longer, that is an oversimplification of the parties. Many people, on this and other boards, say they wouldn't waste valuable party time on rides they can take on park days. People like to do the party stuff at the party, and meet special characters, and a higher percentage of guests see the parade and fireworks than a typical night at MK. While no FP makes a big difference, it is not the only factor at the party making lines short.