MickeyMomV
Well-Known Member
Always!! You cant take a restaurant off the "list" just because a server had a bad day. Unless the server insulted me on a personal level I may even give them another shot.
Valid points.If the food was great I would go back, but I would tip absolutely nothing at all. The biggest problems with restaurants today is that the majority of people will tip something regardless of how bad the service is... That is just enabling a bad waiter/waitress to continue providing bad service. For many places the only thing a manager really has to go by in terms of whether a waiter/waitress is working out is whether the restaurant has to pay the employee to make up for a lack of tips. What many people don't realize is that while a waiter can be getting less than minimum wage, that waiter has to report their total tips each pay period and if those tips plus the wages paid by the restaurant don't equate to at least minimum wage, the restaurant has to pay the waiter more until it reaches the minimum wage. This system means that a bad waiter will show up like a sore thumb when the restaurant has to pony up more money and that tell the management that they have a problem.
So please people, when someone provides bad service don't enable it to continue by tipping... help the next customer by refusing to tip bad service - its the only way to really let management know the service is bad.
Bad service can happen anywhere at any time. If my food is decent, I'll consider returning. I would at least pursue a proper complaint and I'd make a point to note that you attempted to complain during your meal, but the manager was gone. It's bad enough to have a pathetic excuse for a server, but to have no management on the floor says to me that this problem extends beyond David's incompetence and rudeness.
It is also possible that David never bothered to go and look for the manager and hoped that you would let it go if he told you the manager wasn't there right then.
Except the bad service came before she even could order a drinkThe old you are not drinking wine or booze, so you won't get our best service.... It happens all over the country for sure...
Nothing makes up for bad food... Zero.... I will give a place another chance for bad service but never for food.I have always said that great service can make up for ok to bad food, but great food can not make up enough for bad service. Nothing ruins a night like bad service. I will go back if I feel the manager tried, but if they appear to not care forget it.
See me and DH have been to Artist Point several times and as recently as last fall, and never had bad service or meh food. So it goes to show you that you can't judge a restaurant on poor service etc on any given day unless both happen numerous times.Our first visit to Artist Point our sever had major attitude and the kids at the next table ran around all through dinner. A few years later we tried it again and the food was meh so we haven't gone back.
We have found Ohana to be hit or miss too. I feel DH and I sometimes have felt ignored as a table of two and are brought little food. We are going again next trip so we will see.Ohana is hit or miss. I have dined there solo at least 5 times. My service as a solo varies. One time they placed me at this huge table for only myself. I felt like a centerpiece. And the lady that sings (i love her) but she stood by me a good 5 minutes drawing attention that i was solo. The servers are ok there is a younger guy i have gotten twice that is terrible. Matter of fact, i saw him once i only saw the second servers. My recent time there. I got a server that kepts bringing the food like i requested. I always tell them while I am solo. I can eat for 4. Do not bring me 4 wings and 3 potstickers. I want the big plates. I have an adr there next weekend.
Where did you possibly get the idea that management pays waiters to make up for them not making minimum wage? Please provide a specific example. As a person who worked in the restaurant industry for over 10 years, I never saw that happen once.If the food was great I would go back, but I would tip absolutely nothing at all. The biggest problems with restaurants today is that the majority of people will tip something regardless of how bad the service is... That is just enabling a bad waiter/waitress to continue providing bad service. For many places the only thing a manager really has to go by in terms of whether a waiter/waitress is working out is whether the restaurant has to pay the employee to make up for a lack of tips. What many people don't realize is that while a waiter can be getting less than minimum wage, that waiter has to report their total tips each pay period and if those tips plus the wages paid by the restaurant don't equate to at least minimum wage, the restaurant has to pay the waiter more until it reaches the minimum wage. This system means that a bad waiter will show up like a sore thumb when the restaurant has to pony up more money and that tell the management that they have a problem.
So please people, when someone provides bad service don't enable it to continue by tipping... help the next customer by refusing to tip bad service - its the only way to really let management know the service is bad.
Again, make sure you never, ever return to that restaurant. Seriously. For your own sake. A waiter never forgets a tip like that or the person who left it. We have a very cheap friend who always brags about stiffing waiters. Come to think of it, why am I this person's friend? Hmmm. Need to rethink that. But anyway, we always hear these stories about him leaving pennies and dimes as tips and we just wonder how many gallons of spit he has eaten in his lifetime.I have been known to leave a penny as a tip
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