WDW Guest Argues Tower of Terror Warnings Misled Him....

WDWmazprty

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Check it out:

http://www.disunplugged.com/2012/04/23/wdw-guest-argues-tower-of-terror-warnings-misled-him/


WDW Guest Argues Tower of Terror Warnings Misled Him
Posted on Monday, 23rd April 2012 by Jack Burgin

Named by Theme Park Insider as the 2008 Top Attraction in the Nation, the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror, perhaps because of the television show for which it is named, has seen its share of unusual lawsuits.When he was 68 years old, Marvin Cohen rode the Tower of Terror and, sadly, had a stroke 23 days later. Believing the Tower or Terror caused the stroke, Cohen hired attorneys who sued Walt Disney World in state court and in a 2010 jury trial, Cohen’s attorneys tried to prove that the Tower of Terror was itself dangerous. The jury, however, decided it wasn’t handing WDW a big win.

Cohen’s lawyers have now asked the Florida Court of Appeals to let them retry the lawsuit against Walt Disney World. Cohen argues that the trial court forced him to prove that the ride was dangerous and wrongly prohibited him from asking the jury decide whether Walt Disney World was negligent in operating or in warning him about the Tower of Tower.

On April 17, 2012, a panel of three appeals court judges met with Cohen’s attorneys and the attorneys for WDW to let the attorneys argue why the appeal should be granted (or denied, as WDW urged). Appeals after a jury verdict have a low success rate. For example, Cohen can’t succeed by arguing the jury made a mistake. He doesn’t try. Instead, he argues the trial judge erred in refusing to let the jury decide whether the warnings about the Tower of Terror were adequate and whether Cohen was misled about the ride by a cast member.

Cohen appeal turns on his testimony that he didn’t understand that the Tower of Terror involved sudden drops. He also testified at trial that he was misled by a cast member about the ride when, as he was boarding the “service elevator”, he asked a cast member about the ride and was told, “we have a very unusual elevator.” Cohen asked what was unusual about it, but the cast member simply replied, “you’ll see.”



At the argument, at least two judges appeared quite skeptical about Cohen’s failure to warn argument, with the presiding judge reading reading Disney’s warning (“The Tower of Terror features high speed drops into the dark mysterious realm of the Twilight Zone”) and asking Cohen’s lawyer why it was not adequate. (A photo of the warning is available at this disboards.com post.) The attorney tried to explain that Cohen thought the warning on the sign was “euphemistic” and unclear but the judges were still skeptical. And when Cohen argued the cast member misled him, the Judges pointed out that the cast member, by saying “you’ll see,” did not mislead Cohen, but rather simply failed to answer his question.

It seemed to me that the weakest point in Cohen’s argument occurred when the judges asked, would it have been misleading if the cast member had simply repeated the warning given at the entrance to the ride. The judges wanted Cohen’s legal position but Cohen’s lawyer gave a factual answer saying that if the cast member had repeated the warning, Cohen would have taken the “chicken” exit. This factual answer failed on two fronts, it ignored the fact that Cohen had not heeded the written warning but worse, it didn’t help the judge understand how a ruling would affect future lawsuits. It also didn’t help that Cohen’s attorney also said the cast member should have repeated the description in the Tower of Tower on the Hollywood Studios’ map which said that guests “drop 13 stories.” This reminded the judges that his client hadn’t bothered to read the map, either.

Cohen, sadly, paid a steep price for not heeding Disney’s warnings (if you believe his stroke was caused by the attraction, something the jury didn’t decide). Of course, many people fail to heed warnings. But at it essence, Cohen’s case is about more than being unprepared for a trip to Walt Disney World. Even with sites like disboards.com, many guests go to WDW for the first time without any advance planning. But I find it hard to understand how a person who is as thrill ride averse as Cohen claimed to be would make no effort to understand even basic ride functions.

But while I’m skeptical, and it seems two of the judges were as well, it would be a mistake to think that this means Disney will win the appeal. I’ll admit to being biased, don’t have a Florida law license and don’t know much if anything about theme park negligence cases (anywhere). The judges did not issue any ruling at the end of the argument and it could be months before they issue a written decision.

If you want to see the video of the oral argument, it is available at this link from the Florida Court of Appeals (you must have Windows Media Player installed to view the video). An audi0 file (13Mb mp3) is available for download at this link.
 

Pick145

Active Member
People like this and cases like this are a plague on the world, this forces Disney to put up ridiculous in your face safety warnings that they already have, but in a way that they are not overly intrusive, but already help people that need the warnings. These warnings can and do ruin the themed experience. It is people like this that take advantage of the system for huge payouts from big companies.
 

Timekeeper

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Cohen appeal turns on his testimony that he didn’t understand that the Tower of Terror involved sudden drops. He also testified at trial that he was misled by a cast member about the ride when, as he was boarding the “service elevator”, he asked a cast member about the ride and was told, “we have a very unusual elevator.” Cohen asked what was unusual about it, but the cast member simply replied, “you’ll see.”

This guest addressed the CM "as he was boarding the service elevator," which means that the CM was "in character" at the time (having an audience of guests boarding the elevator) and likely to respond to any guest questions or remarks while in character. It would be like asking Princess Belle if she reads books on the Kindle (she'll probably say "what's that?" because her character is generally not acquainted with "modern" times/technology).

It's liability reasons like these that Disney tends to go above and beyond the minimum standard of care in warning guests and providing adequate safety measures.
 

WDWmazprty

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Original Poster
Yeah, its ridiculous how these ridiculous lawsuits come about. He's either real dumb, not realizing that a thrill ride can have a bad effect on any major health conditions you may already have, which the warnings that are already there let you know that; or he's obviously just a scheister trying to get a quick buck from a billion dollar company. SMH :brick::brick::brick:
 

Sans Souci

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Twenty-three days elapsed between his stroke and the his ride on the ToT. I am not a doctor, but how can they prove a direct link between the two? I could see suffering a stroke immediately, or even the next day and linking the two, but 23 days? Couldn't this just have been an unfortunate coincidence?
 

DRC68

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Additional warnings will now be added to ALL ride signage,
"If you are a money hungry idiot prone to wasting the resourses of our Judicial System with years of frivolous lawsuits, please do not ride...go to Universal."
 

I_heart_Tigger

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I wonder if this guy realizes that he looks like a complete fool and absolute moron? He had to have seen and heard the screams from the ride for anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour depending on his wait time. The warnings are posted and what on earth did he think "13 Story Free Fall" and "High speed drops" were euphamisms for?:brick:

I guess it just shows for every moron wanting a quick buck for their own stupidity there is a greedy lawyer willing to waste time and money and ruin reputations to make some fast cash.

I want to know every single thing they guy did in the years prior and the 23 days between riding and having a stroke. Since he seems to think his stroke is someones fault (god forbid it has anything to do with him) lets examine his entire life
 

Timekeeper

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Twenty-three days elapsed between his stroke and the his ride on the ToT. I am not a doctor, but how can they prove a direct link between the two? I could see suffering a stroke immediately, or even the next day and linking the two, but 23 days? Couldn't this just have been an unfortunate coincidence?

The current available literature in the medical community suggests that if a person experiences a sudden drop of 1-story (typically about 10 feet) and subsequently suffers a stroke, the stroke may reasonably be attributed to the 1-story drop experienced if the stroke occurs within 48 hours (2 days). This means that if a person experiences a sudden drop from a height of 13-stories, any stroke suffered within 26 days may be reasonably attributed to the 13-story drop, given the 2-day-per-story allowance.

Unfortunately for the plaintiff, the ToT drop is not actually 13 stories high, and so he was just beyond the time allowance for any medical professional to reasonably attribute his stroke to the (more like 9-story) drop.

:hammer:
 

tarjaybuff

Member
Why not ask a CM at the enterance?

I believe this man to be reckless. If he was that concerned about riding a ride I would have inquired before waiting in line for an hour. There is always CM at each entrance to answer questions, and I believe the warning signs are very clear. Not to mention the descriptions of the rides on the park maps.

Another person out trying to make a buck, and ruining it for everyone else.
 

captainkidd

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I believe this man to be reckless. If he was that concerned about riding a ride I would have inquired before waiting in line for an hour. There is always CM at each entrance to answer questions, and I believe the warning signs are very clear. Not to mention the descriptions of the rides on the park maps.

Another person out trying to make a buck, and ruining it for everyone else.

He claims he did ask a ride attendant, and the CM wasn't specific enough for him.

The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous. This guy should be forced to pay all the court fees.
 

Silver Figment

Active Member
The current available literature in the medical community suggests that if a person experiences a sudden drop of 1-story (typically about 10 feet) and subsequently suffers a stroke, the stroke may reasonably be attributed to the 1-story drop experienced if the stroke occurs within 48 hours (2 days). This means that if a person experiences a sudden drop from a height of 13-stories, any stroke suffered within 26 days may be reasonably attributed to the 13-story drop, given the 2-day-per-story allowance.

Unfortunately for the plaintiff, the ToT drop is not actually 13 stories high, and so he was just beyond the time allowance for any medical professional to reasonably attribute his stroke to the (more like 9-story) drop.

:hammer:

Very nice explanation. :)
 
Yeah, its ridiculous how these ridiculous lawsuits come about.

:lol:
This must be from the department of redundancy department.

However, this guy is just like many lawyers. After the money. If he really did have a stroke due to the ride, it would not have been 23 days later. It is crazy that this court would actually rule on this case.
 

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