News Walt Disney World to resume sales of Annual Passes (New sales resume April 20, 2023)

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You’re the one exception…

…but don’t push it

 

[Ayla]

Totally. So besides being an anti-guest decision, it's also being communicated extremely poorly.

Historically speaking, Disney communicates everything extremely poorly.

 

[Bob]

You’re the one exception…

 

[monothingie]

Do you have any idea what their end goal for attendance management is? I assume capacity is still capped to some degree for pandemic restrictions - but what's their thinking regarding post-pandemic? Will we see the return of 2019 crowds, or will Disney continue to cap some groups such as local APs to preserve the guest experience for everyone else? I've noticed that even on the business of the last couple days, wait time is especially in the evening have been very reasonable. I just wonder how long that will continue.

The end goal is maximum profitability. It’s not about attendance management.

You already have seen the return of prepandemic crowds. Park Pass gives them the opportunity to control the profitability equation. They don’t need to put their best effort forward since they know what to expect with attendance. It means running the parks lean unless they have to, so expenses can be minimized. Look at the very limited discounts for Fall 21 and winter 22, everything is strategically targeted to fill in all the gaps without any waste.

Of course this assumes guests will be willing participants in this and not jump ship.

 

[monothingie]

Don’t you have something better to do right now?

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Woof indeed

I’ve never seen a better, more accurate, shorter description of the post Eisner era of Disney management…they should put a bronze plaque on a wall somewhere with this

Just a theory…

the plague has allowed them to engage in even more “social engineering” talked about in the cigar filled rooms in the New York financial district…

so they are attempting to see just how far they can push cost cutting, increases, and restrictions designed fo both cut costs and increase prices…

…just a hunch/opinion.

it really isn’t - nor ever was - about “crowd management”

also…never trust anyone named “Bob”

You would think at some point, they would ask themselves how they will find new projects with that approach…never mind, they don’t intend on it!!!

what’s more insulting, is that they think they can “force” people to come during other times by restricting access; thus, leveling out their needs for crowd management, etc. What they forget is that:

1) most people don’t take their kids out of school, especially following the pandemic
2) people are going back to the office, and can’t miss work

 

[mikejs78]

The end goal is maximum profitability. It’s not about attendance management.

You already have seen the return of prepandemic crowds. Park Pass gives them the opportunity to control the profitability equation. They don’t need to put their best effort forward since they know what to expect with attendance. It means running the parks lean unless they have to, so expenses can be minimized. Look at the very limited discounts for Fall 21 and winter 22, everything is strategically targeted to fill in all the gaps without any waste.

Of course this assumes guests will be willing participants in this and not jump ship.

They are definitely not at pre-pandemic crowds.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

The end goal is maximum profitability. It’s not about attendance management.

You already have seen the return of prepandemic crowds. Park Pass gives them the opportunity to control the profitability equation. They don’t need to put their best effort forward since they know what to expect with attendance. It means running the parks lean unless they have to, so expenses can be minimized. Look at the very limited discounts for Fall 21 and winter 22, everything is strategically targeted to fill in all the gaps without any waste.

Of course this assumes guests will be willing participants in this and not jump ship.

Yes, this reservation is a weapon

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The end goal is maximum profitability. It’s not about attendance management.

You already have seen the return of prepandemic crowds. Park Pass gives them the opportunity to control the profitability equation. They don’t need to put their best effort forward since they know what to expect with attendance. It means running the parks lean unless they have to, so expenses can be minimized. Look at the very limited discounts for Fall 21 and winter 22, everything is strategically targeted full in all the gaps without any waste.

Of course this assumes guests will be willing participants in this and not jump ship.

Indeed.

the common myth here…and everywhere else with diehards…is that Iger told the truth about “limiting attendance”

incorrect…and not even hard to dismiss. It was about stripping down the product and then resetting the price to new levels…and now putting in near limitless “escalator options”

and then fill it back up.

mission:accomplished…and ongoing

it was misinterpreted as being “as long as you’re willing to pay…we’ll have less people and it will be more comfortable for YOU”

buzzer on that idea

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They are definitely not at pre-pandemic crowds.

They never should have been there in the first place…the product/investment wasn’t worth it.

for anyone who is thinking “when are we gonna go back to normal?!?“…my question is: “why?”

 

[Ayla]

You can't tell me that all 4 parks are at capacity for the upcoming days they won't sell any tickets for.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Curious to see how they react next quarter when the holiday buzz is gone, and people are done “rage” vacationing…I hate saying that.

At some point, pricing pressure enters the market, and competitors see an entrance to pull away customers.

Don’t forgot they aren’t exactly packing them in “for the 50th” either…

so they fill the reservations for 2 parks one day in October and 4 this week and get all ballsy?!?

this is amateur night In Burbank.

the delta spike was late July to September…lowering fall travel…
It died down and now it’s picking up…but not as much at wdw as Everywhere else? That’s gotten lost.

same thing will happen if there’s another surge. And the “new normal” may never be like the old.

they are foolish to turn away any potential customer now.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You can't tell me that all 4 parks are at capacity for the upcoming days they won't sell any tickets for.

They very will could be…because of the covid trajectory…

or they could be conducting an experiment…nothing stopping them

 

[mightynine]

You can't tell me that all 4 parks are at capacity for the upcoming days they won't sell any tickets for.

Capacity is what you make it, these days.

And how much staff you got.

 

[M:SpilotISTC12]

Cut off the supply. Increase the demand. Increase the rates. Park ticket rates going up even more so. Every day will eventually turn into an after hours event. There is nothing stopping them from doing this.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Cut off the supply. Increase the demand. Increase the rates. Park ticket rates going up even more so. Every day will eventually turn into an after hours event. There is nothing stopping them from doing this.

Until people realize how much they're being shafted.

 

[M:SpilotISTC12]

Until people realize how much they're being shafted.

And yet we're still going and a lot of the seasonal after hours events have sold out. So good luck stopping that train. Plus everytime we complain about something we don't like we say we won't go but hey guess what we still go no matter how screwed we get.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

And yet we're still going and a lot of the seasonal after hours events have sold out. So good luck stopping that train. Plus everytime we complain about something we don't like we say we won't go but hey guess what we still go no matter how screwed we get.

I'm not part of the "we" you're talking about.

 

[Bob]

Don’t you have something better to do right now?

 

[M:SpilotISTC12]

I'm not part of the "we" you're talking about.

Cool.