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Universal's Fantastic Worlds (South Expansion Complex)

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Pacing is a major problem for me with Gringotts. The ride starts off with a spectacle that really should have been saved for the finale. After the tilt track drop, it never again lives up to that level of excitement, and the majority of the remainder of the ride is spent ushering your vehicle from one show top to the next. This is why Gringotts gets complaints of being "too short", despite having an average ride time.

Gringotts is also a case where too much emphasis was placed on storytelling, by placing the ride at a very, very specific point in the Harry Potter timeline. When everyone heard there would be a Gringotts cart ride, our imaginations ran wild with what kind of crazy trippy roller coaster Universal could come up with. Instead, the bank cart system plays second chair to being a story delivery system.

Forbidden Journey is another case where the ride is an endless onslaught of chaos, but the ride system works in its favor by having the screen segments divide the ride up between faster movement on the screens and more intimate interaction for the physical scenes. The story is all over the place and makes little sense as it is more of a "Harry Potter Greatest Hits", but I can excuse it because it's just such a cool ride.

But anyway, the point of all this is that I would like to see Universal improve on their craft. They've mastered the ride technology, now they need to move on from their tropes and design crutches.
 

David1111

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But anyway, the point of all this is that I would like to see Universal improve on their craft. They've mastered the ride technology, now they need to move on from their tropes and design crutches.
THIS!!!
Excited for the new park. Let's hope Comcast is listening and blows our socks off!
 

The Great Gonzo

New Member
This is going be amazing if they have the Classic Monsters. I've been dreaming about this being possible since I was a little weirdo.

Plus it may get Disney off their rich butts to build a 5th park. It has been 21 years.
 

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
This is going be amazing if they have the Classic Monsters. I've been dreaming about this being possible since I was a little weirdo.

Plus it may get Disney off their rich butts to build a 5th park. It has been 21 years.
Disney doesn't need and can't support a 5th park. The problem all along has always been that DAK and DHS were underbuilt from the beginning and Epcot did not evolve and grow in a good way. The parks stagnated from the mid-00's until the mid '10's. In the last five years, they have been addressing these issues, and I expect them to continue to flesh out the existing parks before ever considering a 5th.
 

The Great Gonzo

New Member
Disney doesn't need and can't support a 5th park. The problem all along has always been that DAK and DHS were underbuilt from the beginning and Epcot did not evolve and grow in a good way. The parks stagnated from the mid-00's until the mid '10's. In the last five years, they have been addressing these issues, and I expect them to continue to flesh out the existing parks before ever considering a 5th.
I agree that they will probably address their needs first. But I beg to differ my fine gentleman about the 5th park idea. The parks have already become too unbearable most of the year.
 

brb1006

Well-Known Member
Challenge accepted.


What do I win? Or was I not eligible for a prize because I'm part of the Universal fandom, which you're now attempting to preemptively delegitimize because you know we'll disagree with your position, which is being presented as fact? On the Universal forum, no less. And we're the "fanboys?" For the love of Mickey, take off the blinders.
Yeah that entire section of Dinoland needs to be demolished and replaced with something better themed.
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
Going further, WDW can't support a fifth park because the infrastructure and staffing requirements just aren't there. As is, Disney could not properly staff WDW these days without its College Program, and they've already reached the limits of how much they can get out of it.
I find this ironic, seeing as how the greater orlando area is on a major population boom. So many new houses being built, so many more people moving here....if Disney paid well enough they wouldn’t have a staffing problem.
 

trr1

Well-Known Member
I find this ironic, seeing as how the greater orlando area is on a major population boom. So many new houses being built, so many more people moving here....if Disney paid well enough they wouldn’t have a staffing problem.
and there's the rub paying well enough. the average wage is between $9 and $12 dollars depending on what department you are in
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Well-Known Member
This is going be amazing if they have the Classic Monsters. I've been dreaming about this being possible since I was a little weirdo.

Plus it may get Disney off their rich butts to build a 5th park. It has been 21 years.
No 5th park
Disney doesn't need and can't support a 5th park. The problem all along has always been that DAK and DHS were underbuilt from the beginning and Epcot did not evolve and grow in a good way. The parks stagnated from the mid-00's until the mid '10's. In the last five years, they have been addressing these issues, and I expect them to continue to flesh out the existing parks before ever considering a 5th.
Correct...no 5th park
I agree that they will probably address their needs first. But I beg to differ my fine gentleman about the 5th park idea. The parks have already become too unbearable most of the year.
Incorrect...no Fifth park
They’re unbearable because they have substandard capacity. Another park with substandard capacity won’t fix that problem.
Correct...so you don’t need a 5th park
I find this ironic, seeing as how the greater orlando area is on a major population boom. So many new houses being built, so many more people moving here....if Disney paid well enough they wouldn’t have a staffing problem.
Until the next housing crash...when everything will collapse for 6 years and it’s John Steinbeck...

Always that way in the “riviera”
and there's the rub paying well enough. the average wage is between $9 and $12 dollars depending on what department you are in
That’s never gonna change...it’s good for some people in some situations...never universally so
 

raven

Well-Known Member
I find this ironic, seeing as how the greater orlando area is on a major population boom. So many new houses being built, so many more people moving here....if Disney paid well enough they wouldn’t have a staffing problem.
Housing costs in the Orlando area are among the highest in the state. Until they figure out a way to regulate the cost, they will just raise their prices to take any higher wages people get.
 

cheezbat

Well-Known Member
Housing costs in the Orlando area are among the highest in the state. Until they figure out a way to regulate the cost, they will just raise their prices to take any higher wages people get.
Trust me I know. I’ve lived in Florida for 18 years and moved to orlando 6 years ago...I moved out a few years back because it’s just getting too expensive...and the job pay isn’t increasing anywhere near the same rate as housing prices.
 

Corey P

Well-Known Member
Just of interest what does a house in a decent neighborhood cost per foot? Let's say a 3 bedroom 1800 sqft detached house? In my area the cheapest you can get that house for is around $250,000. Prices head up from there.

I have noticed the wages seem to be low in Orlando. I saw a grocery store advertising $22.50 an hour on Hilton Head Island which isn't far from me. I don't think it's possible to hire someone here for $10 an hour? Disney apparently can find thousands of people to work for that, not sure how because Disney wouldn't ever have a staff if they paid like that where I am.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Well-Known Member
Just of interest what does a house in a decent neighborhood cost per foot? Let's say a 3 bedroom 1800 sqft detached house? In my area the cheapest you can get that house for is around $250,000. Prices head up from there.

I have noticed the wages seem to be low in Orlando. I saw a grocery store advertising $22.50 an hour on Hilton Head Island which isn't far from me. I don't think it's possible to hire someone here for $10 an hour? Disney apparently can find thousands of people to work for that, not sure how because Disney wouldn't ever have a staff if they paid like that where I am.
You’re near Hilton head...kinda different from the rest of SC - generally speaking - isn’t it?

Anyway...Orlando is 75% based on tourism...tourism is renowned for crappy wages. That’s the dynamic in orlando. Great place to travel...not exactly Shangri-la to work in.

It always is what it is.
 

Corey P

Well-Known Member
You’re near Hilton head...kinda different from the rest of SC - generally speaking - isn’t it?

Anyway...Orlando is 75% based on tourism...tourism is renowned for crappy wages. That’s the dynamic in orlando. Great place to travel...not exactly Shangri-la to work in.

It always is what it is.

I'm right off the Island in Bluffton. Technically I'm in unincorporated Beaufort County. Yes my area is night/day from west of I-95. In general the coast is like that so is up by Charlotte. Wages and housing costs work out about right west of I-95. They don't make as much money but housing is way way cheaper. In fact there are buses that run from HHI out past I-95 and workers bus in from the poorer places. Basically they make more on HHI and living for much less where they live so it's worth it to them to ride the buses. We also get many people who commute in from Georgia to here for the same reason. Our main housing problem is we have nothing old. Apartments, houses, commercial buildings most which have been built in the last 20-30 years. Right now there is a building frenzy going on. I was out on some land a while ago that was 10-20 thousand acres of trees and someone built probably 10-12 apartment builds maybe 500 apartments? There are now roads going into no where but there must be a plan since a real road is now there. It's not cheap to build roads with sewer lines, water etc. if you have no purpose of using them. I'm sure people in Orlando saw the same thing back in the 70's?

We do have a sizable tourist industry, last I saw Hilton Head gets about 2 million tourist a year. I can tell you everyone on the island is short staffed. In the past businesses like hotels have actually gone out and bought up condos for employees, it was part of your pay, you didn't pay rent. We're at that point again even off the island. We also have a good size retiree population which I don't like. Retirees don't add much to the community because they are from where ever they came from and don't do much but require low paying service people. They need restaurants, lawn services, maids etc. etc. They all think they are invaluable to the community but they aren't. They all have big plans but few follow through on anything of use.

What I don't understand is why Orlando doesn't simple run out of low wage earning people like we have? Does no one think this place sucks I need to move somewhere else? The only obstacle with here is rent. $1600 will get you a two bedroom apartment. The other side of that is a couple could make enough in a year or two to buy a home and have a mortgage of $1600 or less. You would be surprised at what some of these jobs here pay. You got to hussle though. I can tell you the dentists around here can't find dental hygienist and the going pay for that is $35 give or take. That's 70 grand a year and if you throw in a part time job on top especially a tipped job and you can pull in $100K a year.
 

Edward Jackson

Well-Known Member
It is when you say crazy stuff like this...



Dinoland was a purposefully-built permanent area of DAK (unlike, say, Camp MickeyMinnie).

Also...

1. Stop expressing opinion as fact.
2. Stop using all caps.
3. Stop calling people "dude."
4. Stop thinking huge walls of text equals cogent arguments.
5. Stop using emotional arguments such as we're supposed to be nice to new people. No. We're not. Not when they act like you do.
I would add, Stop always expressing your opinions as absolutes. (just continuing the "Stops, not a response to this post) None of the
parks are perfect.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Well-Known Member
I'm right off the Island in Bluffton. Technically I'm in unincorporated Beaufort County. Yes my area is night/day from west of I-95. In general the coast is like that so is up by Charlotte. Wages and housing costs work out about right west of I-95. They don't make as much money but housing is way way cheaper. In fact there are buses that run from HHI out past I-95 and workers bus in from the poorer places. Basically they make more on HHI and living for much less where they live so it's worth it to them to ride the buses. We also get many people who commute in from Georgia to here for the same reason. Our main housing problem is we have nothing old. Apartments, houses, commercial buildings most which have been built in the last 20-30 years. Right now there is a building frenzy going on. I was out on some land a while ago that was 10-20 thousand acres of trees and someone built probably 10-12 apartment builds maybe 500 apartments? There are now roads going into no where but there must be a plan since a real road is now there. It's not cheap to build roads with sewer lines, water etc. if you have no purpose of using them. I'm sure people in Orlando saw the same thing back in the 70's?

We do have a sizable tourist industry, last I saw Hilton Head gets about 2 million tourist a year. I can tell you everyone on the island is short staffed. In the past businesses like hotels have actually gone out and bought up condos for employees, it was part of your pay, you didn't pay rent. We're at that point again even off the island. We also have a good size retiree population which I don't like. Retirees don't add much to the community because they are from where ever they came from and don't do much but require low paying service people. They need restaurants, lawn services, maids etc. etc. They all think they are invaluable to the community but they aren't. They all have big plans but few follow through on anything of use.

What I don't understand is why Orlando doesn't simple run out of low wage earning people like we have? Does no one think this place sucks I need to move somewhere else? The only obstacle with here is rent. $1600 will get you a two bedroom apartment. The other side of that is a couple could make enough in a year or two to buy a home and have a mortgage of $1600 or less. You would be surprised at what some of these jobs here pay. You got to hussle though. I can tell you the dentists around here can't find dental hygienist and the going pay for that is $35 give or take. That's 70 grand a year and if you throw in a part time job on top especially a tipped job and you can pull in $100K a year.
I can’t dispute anything you say...and a lot applies to Orlando.

Why doesn’t Orlando run out of minimum workers??

Well...a lot of it is the existence of WDW. There’s an allure there that retains people a bit longer (along with all the other whiz bang stuff in town). Though they have retirees...that’s not a central Florida thing as much as the coasts...so that problem isn’t as heightened.

The WDW college program is a bait and switch that gets young post grads to take leaps and move back. It’s rarely ends well but there is a constant Pipeline of higher income background types that will try to get paid to live on vacation. The wheel is never broken.

And Florida has a more natural transient worker population willing to work in tourist spots for low pay.


It’s a mixture of things...even the weather. Your body tells you love it because it’s always nice...but your bank account is miserable 😉
 
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