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Universal's Fantastic Worlds (South Expansion Complex)

trr1

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Aerial view of Orlando Starflyer and The Wheel. Behind spire of Starflyer is a portion of Universal Orlando's expansion property.
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An aerial view of a single palm tree planted in what seems to be center of Universal Orlando's expansion property.
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At what seems like center of rumored Fantastic Worlds is a single palm tree. Aerial views of Universal Orlando's expansion property.
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Aerial views of much of a new Universal resort. Possibly called Fantastic Worlds. 2nd photo is where public records indicate will be parking.
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Aerial view where Universal will be building offices and warehouses along Sand Lake Rd. Some UOR resorts seen top center.
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Aerial view where Universal will be building offices, warehouses, along Sand Lake Rd. Stretching in horizon is a future new resort, possibly called Fantastic Worlds.
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When should we expect an official announcement for Universal Orlando’s fourth park around Disney’s D23 expo event or when Star Wars galaxy edge opens both in Florida and California?
 

JT3000

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When should we expect an official announcement for Universal Orlando’s fourth park around Disney’s D23 expo event or when Star Wars galaxy edge opens both in Florida and California?
Don't expect it to be announced this year. The Star Wars hype would just drown it out instead of vice versa. Universal takes their time with announcements anyway. Everyone with an interest in this subject already knows what they're doing, so they obviously aren't compelled to say anything. The park could be half finished by the time they do.
 

celluloid

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The world's tallest Slingtshot and new drop tower going into the Icon area are going to potentially be more nasty sightlines for the property.
 

ObscurityPoint

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Don't expect it to be announced this year. The Star Wars hype would just drown it out instead of vice versa. Universal takes their time with announcements anyway. Everyone with an interest in this subject already knows what they're doing, so they obviously aren't compelled to say anything. The park could be half finished by the time they do.
They’ll wait about a year after Galaxy’s Edge opens to drop the big announcement, that’s my guess. Like a movie villain, they’re letting Disney have their fun now while they plot and wait in the shadows for the perfect time to strike.

But seriously, as for IP’s I’d like to see in this new park, I’d have to say
-Fantastic Beasts/1920’s America (for a third Potter gate- also disconnected from the train aka London)
-Dreamworks Land (Panda, Dragon, Madagascar, maybe Shrek and get rid of Shrek 4D at the Studios)
-No illumination (we have minions in USO and SLOP coming soon in Hollywood which I could see coming to Orlando too)
-Star Trek (sci-fi area)
-Universal Monster World (rumored for Beijing)
-MAYBE Middle Earth (fits with Fantasy theme)
-No Jurassic, keep it at IOA
-Back to the Future DeLorean Rollercoaster (unlikely but I can dream for them to revisit some of their still-popular classic films as they are still exciting IPs, see Kong).
-Maybe somehow make a Scooby or Spongebob ride for a kids area (still have access to HB and Nick, plus theres a new scooby animated film coming out in 2020).
 

trr1

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They’ll wait about a year after Galaxy’s Edge opens to drop the big announcement, that’s my guess. Like a movie villain, they’re letting Disney have their fun now while they plot and wait in the shadows for the perfect time to strike.

But seriously, as for IP’s I’d like to see in this new park, I’d have to say
-Fantastic Beasts/1920’s America (for a third Potter gate- also disconnected from the train aka London)
-Dreamworks Land (Panda, Dragon, Madagascar, maybe Shrek and get rid of Shrek 4D at the Studios)
-No illumination (we have minions in USO and SLOP coming soon in Hollywood which I could see coming to Orlando too)
-Star Trek (sci-fi area)
-Universal Monster World (rumored for Beijing)
-MAYBE Middle Earth (fits with Fantasy theme)
-No Jurassic, keep it at IOA
-Back to the Future DeLorean Rollercoaster (unlikely but I can dream for them to revisit some of their still-popular classic films as they are still exciting IPs, see Kong).
-Maybe somehow make a Scooby or Spongebob ride for a kids area (still have access to HB and Nick, plus theres a new scooby animated film coming out in 2020).
most likely it will also have a Nintendo land
 

Rich T

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Nintendo, Dreamworks (including the Island of Berk), Universal Monsters (including the return of Jaws), Middle Earth. I'd call Potter pretty much maxed out once the Hagrid coaster opens. The Fantastic Beasts saga is starting to sink.
 

David1111

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This is NOT a fanfare to Disney but constructive criticism of Uni
I wish Universal would actually make a 'themed' park for once. Even with how fun Universal might be, their best rides don't compare to Disney's greatest in terms of scale, pacing, story, connection to the park, etc., and not a single of their parks has a unified theme. If you have been to Tokyo DisneySea you know how well it works. Every land in the park lends itself to the other in spectacular fashion. Heck, even if Uni would pull an MK-style park that would be a remarkable improvement. Not kissing up to Disney, but it's something most people are forgetting.

There's something spectacular that Battle for the Sunken Treasure, Splash Mountain, Mystic Manor, Haunted Mansion, Tower of Terror, Flight of Passage, etc. do that not one Universal ride does. The almost cinematic 'shots', the pacing, storytelling through subtle details, and the expansiveness of them. Spiderman is probably the closest Uni gets (Forbidden Journey and MIB are some of my favorite rides but still lack that umph in storytelling), but even then they don't reach the storytelling heights of Disney. Uni has incredible theming for many of their rides, that's not the problem, it's probably part budgetary part creative restraints, but it needs to be addressed. Diagon Alley as a land is small but mind-blowing, but even for how fun Gringotts is, the story is really lacking. I still reminisce how incredible a ride with sets and complimentary screens like Shanghai's Pirates would have been in the place of EFG, one that contains a sweeping score, perfect pacing, and a strong story.

I'm not saying this to knock on Universal, but I would like to see them take on one of Disney's best rides in the future. They make solid rides, but they seem mostly devoid of storytelling which is ironic since their major lands recently have knocked the storytelling aspect out of the park. I feel like everyone should be able to experience a park like DisneySea because it really is something special. To be transported to another place like that, it's something else. Even a park like EPCOT does that well in World Showcase (albeit the theme is that you are in a World's Fair versus in say another country; point still stands though).

Recently, Disney's Pandora was made with strong details and storytelling in the land and is gorgeous but it only has a shop and restaurant compared to Diagon Alley which feels a lot bigger than it actually is (for how much there is to explore). I know Uni has it in them to deliver the magic and storytelling that they have done with their recent lands into a ride or even as an overall theme for the park. It's time Uni starts delving into storytelling for their rides. Screens are not Uni's problems. The rides just don't tell stories well and don't use them right or other storytelling means. I wouldn't mind say a super duper themed outdoor coaster which they also refuse to do (I mean even the new Potter coaster will still be 'naked'). Even if they do a single ride like I am saying, or even if the park is partly connected in theme/story that would be something special. One can hope.
 
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Tom Morrow

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This is NOT a fanfare to Disney but constructive criticism of Uni
I wish Universal would actually make a 'themed' park for once. Even with how fun Universal might be, their best rides don't compare to Disney's greatest in terms of scale, pacing, story, connection to the park, etc., and not a single of their parks has a unified theme. If you have been to Tokyo DisneySea you know how well it works. Every land in the park lends itself to the other in spectacular fashion. Heck, even if Uni would pull an MK-style park that would be a remarkable improvement. Not kissing up to Disney, but it's something most people are forgetting.

There's something spectacular that Battle for the Sunken Treasure, Splash Mountain, Mystic Manor, Haunted Mansion, Tower of Terror, Flight of Passage, etc. do that not one Universal ride does. The almost cinematic 'shots', the pacing, storytelling through subtle details, and the expansiveness of them. Spiderman is probably the closest Uni gets (Forbidden Journey and MIB are some of my favorite rides but still lack that umph in storytelling), but even then they don't reach the storytelling heights of Disney. Uni has incredible theming for many of their rides, that's not the problem, it's probably part budgetary part creative restraints, but it needs to be addressed. Diagon Alley as a land is small but mind-blowing, but even for how fun Gringotts is, the story is really lacking. I still reminisce how incredible a ride with sets and complimentary screens like Shanghai's Pirates would have been in the place of EFG, one that contains a sweeping score, perfect pacing, and a strong story.

I'm not saying this to knock on Universal, but I would like to see them take on one of Disney's best rides in the future. They make solid rides, but they seem mostly devoid of storytelling which is ironic since their major lands recently have knocked the storytelling aspect out of the park. I feel like everyone should be able to experience a park like DisneySea because it really is something special. To be transported to another place like that, it's something else. Even a park like EPCOT does that well in World Showcase (albeit the theme is that you are in a World's Fair versus in say another country; point still stands though).

Recently, Disney's Pandora was made with strong details and storytelling in the land and is gorgeous but it only has a shop and restaurant compared to Diagon Alley which feels a lot bigger than it actually is (for how much there is to explore). I know Uni has it in them to deliver the magic and storytelling that they have done with their recent lands into a ride or even as an overall theme for the park. It's time Uni starts delving into storytelling for their rides. Screens are not Uni's problems. The rides just don't tell stories well and don't use them right or other storytelling means. I wouldn't mind say a super duper themed outdoor coaster which they also refuse to do (I mean even the new Potter coaster will still be 'naked'). Even if they do a single ride like I am saying, or even if the park is partly connected in theme/story that would be something special. One can hope.
You’re not wrong, and these are all legit criticisms, but be prepared for an onslaught from the “Universal can do no wrong” fanboy crowd.

I think you addressed the biggest setbacks Universal still adheres to:

- inability to employ proper pacing in their attraction storytelling. It’s always full throttle, all the time. Bombastic chaos. Heavily themed attractions need cinematic pacing. If Universal had done an Avatar ride you can bet it would have been about one of the battles and not the surreal beautiful experience we got.

- their theme parks are designed with little regard to how one area affects the look and theme of another. The result is a visual and thematic hodge-podge that is often kind of ugly and cluttered. Attractions often have one “money shot” angle where they look great from but if you don’t focus on the big weenie focal point, it looks worse.

Challenge: look around Animal Kingdom, away from the main focal points, and try to find an unaesthetic view. You won’t find one (from within the park, anyway).

Now look at UOR, especially the Studios Park: look slightly off from the main focal points and you will likely see a visual mess or even exposed backstage infrastructure.

I do photography as a hobby with my friends, and we find it extremely easy to get creative and beautiful shots at Disney, but usually come up short at Universal for a lack of aesthetic sight lines. That’s not to say I have NO good shots from Universal... but definitely less.

I too, am disappointed but not surprised that the new park will be essentially IOA 2.0, because random IP fests are the new standard for modern theme parks. Still, it would be nice to see some sort of overarching theme that connects the lands. IOA has a very, very loose theme of nautical seafaring and navigation. I hope the new park has something stronger and more prominent than this.

Also, time will tell if they’ve learned to tell better stories with better pacing in their attractions. Hagrid’s seems like the right direction, but apparently it’s still an “oh no, something goes wrong!” ride, which is an old hat theme park crutch that needs to die.

The truth is that Universal is second only to Disney, though. Which is an incredibly respectable position. It’s just that time and time again, their decisions leave us scratching our heads somewhat because we know they are capable of more but seem to usually fall back on “good enough.”
 

JT3000

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Challenge: look around Animal Kingdom, away from the main focal points, and try to find an unaesthetic view. You won’t find one (from within the park, anyway).
Challenge accepted.


What do I win? Or was I not eligible for a prize because I'm part of the Universal fandom, which you're now attempting to preemptively delegitimize because you know we'll disagree with your position, which is being presented as fact? On the Universal forum, no less. And we're the "fanboys?" For the love of Mickey, take off the blinders.
 
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