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I'm curious, as a non-super coaster fan (really wish i could handle them), will there be a good balance of super thrillers (ala Hulk) and dark rides/less intense coasters?
I’m wondering how they’re gonna try to incorporate the properties?
They can’t be standalones with buses waiting at stop lights on kirkman.
This park is all about franchise lands. That means no stand alone attractions.
There is 0 chance that building is Pokemon related. They aren’t wasting Pokémon on a single attraction in a hub. It will likely be the first expansion or take over a land in IOA or USF.What if they have a veryy very loose connection to the hub's "celestial" theme?
IOW, then the yellow box under Monsterland isn't a one-off Pokemon attraction and that isn't Pikachu on top of it.
The debate is not IP vs non-IPI don't get this debate between themes vs. IPs. For one, are we now arguing a looser theme is better than immersive IP lands? I don't get that at all.
Didn't intend to malign the park, my bad.Ok, that's more clear. Thank you.
But the way you're phrasing it makes it sound like you're maligning this park when it's really not that different from other designs. The hub has a certain theme. The IP-based lands shooting off from it have their own theme.
So it's Islands of Adventure with Port of Entry in the middle instead of in the front. What's so bad about that?
IOA does not have a cohesive overarching theme between lands. Port of entry is the only thing that presents any sort of overarching theme to you. The park's original incarnation kind of had a cohesive concept though of the lands being magical, fictional havens for groups of fictional characters to come together. This is the key difference between IOA and the new park - having lands that are not dedicated to one IP while still being IP-based.
Magic Kingdom (and all subsequent castle parks) are iterations of Disneyland.Indeed.
Also, USO is losing its overarching theme of a movie-studio tour. There is less and less of behind-the-scenes of the making of TV and movies and more "ride the movies." The same dynamic that DHS has just gone through.
So, if your theme park isn't "ride the IP" or "insert yourself into IP-land brand X", then what exactly will your overarching theme park theme be?
DAK has the zoo and Epcot has a world's fair. But that means setting aside land for a zoo and world's fair type pavilions and less rides... and harder to showcase your IPs for the synergy that produces bigger profits (if you don't screw it up).
I know I'll get people arguing against me for this: but Magic Kingdom doesn't have an overarching theme. Space rides in Tomorrowland is not related to Magic, a Kingdom, nor a Magic Kingdom. Same with Hall of Presidents. Magic Kingdom (and all the Disneylands) have a theme that exists in its hub (and into Fantasyland). Then it has thematic branches that veer away from a Magic Kingdom.
DHS has a theme of Hollywood in its public spaces. It then branches off into disparate lands based on IP (that come from Hollywood!... or Atlanta... or Australia).
So, back to Epic Universe. It seems it will have a central hub with a theme (celestial) that one travels through to get to various lands. Like traveling through space to reach different planets. And that's it. Given that they want to showcase their disparate IPs in immersive lands, that's the best one can hope for.
Disneyland's theme is mid century Americana. It's even specified in its dedication.
We can discuss infinitely how well any individual parts of a park work, or don't, with its theme.That's a marketing lie. No way Fantasyland which is clearly set in Medieval and Romantic Europe is "mid-century America."
And the marketing lie that it's mid-century America's ideal of Medieval and Romantic Europe is a whopper of a lie.
They can say it. Doesn't make it remotely true.
We can discuss infinitely how well any individual parts of a park work, or don't, with its theme.
Pretty sure there are zero parks in the world where everything works entirely within its theme
Doesn't change the fact that Americana is the original theme of Disneyland.
Be it a successful theme or not
I've no idea what you're trying to prove anymore.
Beyond argument for argument's sake.
Yes maintaining a park with a connective theme is hard, and most fail.A park-wide theme is very hard to do. A park wide theme of a tour of a movie studio failed for both DHS and USO. DL/MK never had a park-wide theme that was really a park-wide theme. Only DAK and Epcot have succeeded in a park-wide theme, and even now, they're both being eroded because the IPs that Disney owns and are popular don't fit those themes, but will be used anyway in those parks.
I believe a theme park has an overarching theme if all or most of the lands compliment each other and are cohesive in concept. Disneyland and Magic Kingdom are collections of staples of American fiction, brought to life. You explore each land reflecting on how it and that genre differs from the others (yes, they have botched this a bit by dropping properties where they don't thematically fit). Whereas there is nothing, absolutely nothing to thematically tie together a park that is a collection of lands based on one IP each.
Also I want to be clear that this isn't a knock against specifically Epic Universe but rather the direction theme parks are headed as a whole.
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