Universal's Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex Opens 2023)

JoeCamel

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If there's enough room to add entire lands after opening, they've done something very wrong. Having some expansion pads for individual attractions is alright, but no one likes a half-built park.
This park is not a traditional design, it will have more than pads for expansion areas.
 

Corey P

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The new park will not open fully. There will be enough to get people to come and things added for years to come.

Goes back to what I have said for a while. Universal needs to build out the parks that they already have. They built out hotels and a water park all close to their two main parks. That's the money shot and the new area will be the new area. I think they should make the main older parks top notch which they have to much dead space to me. Also at this moment, the parks look a little transitional to me.

I just don't want Universal to do what Disney did. Look we have a bunch of parks but none of them will entertain you for a whole day. No problem just bus yourself around to different parks wasting hours a day. Disney loved that because people riding on buses is the cheap ride for them to build and run.

Universals new land is on at least a 20 year plan. That puts me in my 70's so I can't get real excited about that. Getting old takes much off the table.
 

phillip9698

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If there's enough room to add entire lands after opening, they've done something very wrong. Having some expansion pads for individual attractions is alright, but no one likes a half-built park.



They're all movies and television, which is literally the theme of the park, so yeah.

Most HHN fans won't be complaining about the lack of a Monsters land. Unless the theming is super vague, which would be a disservice to the properties in question, there's only so much you can do with it.
You definitely don't want to use up all the space you have for lands on day one. What happens 10 years from now when you land the next Harry Potter but don't have space for a new land? That's when you start shoe horning rides into areas where they don't fit.
 

rdoncsecz

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Underbuilding new parks is the new theme park business model. It makes the initial cost cheaper and then enables them to easily open an entire new land years later to draw everybody back in.
Eh -- once you have enough ready, the crowds are going to be ready to start! Animal Kingdom opened, and then a few years later added Expedition Everest. Islands of Adventure...then Harry Potter came a few years down the line.

Also, things come and go that don't work. California adventure -- Hollywood Super Star Limo opened, shut down and Monsters Inc relatively quick.

I am totally fine with it opening, with ideas in place for what could be a phase 2. I also just REALLY want to experience Nintendo, ASAP... lol.
 

JT3000

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You definitely don't want to use up all the space you have for lands on day one. What happens 10 years from now when you land the next Harry Potter but don't have space for a new land? That's when you start shoe horning rides into areas where they don't fit.
You do what Universal did when they landed Harry Potter. Some of us miss lost Continent, but it beats not having it in the first place.

Underbuilding new parks is the new theme park business model. It makes the initial cost cheaper and then enables them to easily open an entire new land years later to draw everybody back in.
It's not new, Disney's been doing it for years, and everyone's complained endlessly about it. DHS and DAK have both still failed to shake off the half-day park stigma that's existed since opening day. Universal did the right thing by using most of the space they had available with IOA. They shouldn't copy Disney's failed business model now.
 

phillip9698

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You do what Universal did when they landed Harry Potter. Some of us miss lost Continent, but it beats not having it in the first place.



It's not new, Disney's been doing it for years, and everyone's complained endlessly about it. DHS and DAK have both still failed to shake off the half-day park stigma that's existed since opening day. Universal did the right thing by using most of the space they had available with IOA. They shouldn't copy Disney's failed business model now.
Not using all your available space doesn't mean a park is under built. You can fill a park full of all kinds of stuff and still not give your customers a satisfying product. In the same vein you can use a smaller parcel of land and leave your customers feeling fulfilled.

Putting in a bunch of filler to just use space serves no one. I'd rather they wait until they have a killer idea for a land and then use the space instead of saying "hey everyone throw up some ideas we have space to fill, don't worry we will just tear all this down once we have an actual great land idea". Spend the money plussing up lands you actually have plans for.
 
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MansionButler84

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An aerial view of the site preparation in progress at Universal's expansion property. Project believed to be called Universal's Fantastic Worlds. Seen in foreground in Lockheed Martin, who originally owned this property.
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Can anyone estimate how far this is from the existing parks? I don’t mean distance, really. I could check a map. But how long of a bus ride? Or would it be possible to have another mass transit option? I assume this is a bit different from WDW in that Universal doesn’t own a continuous parcel of land containing the existing resort and this new park, right?
 

MisterPenguin

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Can anyone estimate how far this is from the existing parks? I don’t mean distance, really. I could check a map. But how long of a bus ride? Or would it be possible to have another mass transit option? I assume this is a bit different from WDW in that Universal doesn’t own a continuous parcel of land containing the existing resort and this new park, right?
Considering leaving a nearby hotel comparable to leaving the new park by bus, 12-13 minute ride to the Universal bus drop-off. That's with no traffic. Choosing a rush hour time, it can go up to 22 minutes.

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BubbaQuest

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Can anyone estimate how far this is from the existing parks? I don’t mean distance, really. I could check a map. But how long of a bus ride? Or would it be possible to have another mass transit option? I assume this is a bit different from WDW in that Universal doesn’t own a continuous parcel of land containing the existing resort and this new park, right?
This is a big unknown. There are plans to extend Kirkman Rd to the new park entrance. As far as I know this has been approved for construction, but not sure if it will open in time or if it will be used by Uni for transit.

The other unknown is the rail system from the airport to the Convention Center. As far as I know, the chances of this happening are about the same as Uni lowering their ticket prices :). In some of the early Uni presentations to the city for land development, there were some "transit" spaces shown on the north side of Uni Blvd. It's not clear if this might be for a rail extension or just something similar to the water taxis at the existing Resort.

If Kirkman opens in time, anybody have an idea how long it would take to drive from Major Drive down Kirkman to the new intersection at Uni Blvd?
 

JoeCamel

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This is a big unknown. There are plans to extend Kirkman Rd to the new park entrance. As far as I know this has been approved for construction, but not sure if it will open in time or if it will be used by Uni for transit.

The other unknown is the rail system from the airport to the Convention Center. As far as I know, the chances of this happening are about the same as Uni lowering their ticket prices :). In some of the early Uni presentations to the city for land development, there were some "transit" spaces shown on the north side of Uni Blvd. It's not clear if this might be for a rail extension or just something similar to the water taxis at the existing Resort.

If Kirkman opens in time, anybody have an idea how long it would take to drive from Major Drive down Kirkman to the new intersection at Uni Blvd?
There are dedicated bus lanes shown on the extension ala Disney Springs so that should help with the flow.
 

dodolitsky

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If there's enough room to add entire lands after opening, they've done something very wrong. Having some expansion pads for individual attractions is alright, but no one likes a half-built park.
It is widely rumored that they will be allocating space for entire new lands (or "worlds") in the future. With the new model of lands being dedicated to a very specific collection of IPs, this is really the only way they would be able to add future big IPs into the park, without replacing something. When you have more generic and lightly themed lands (e.g. New York at USF), you are much less constrained when it comes to new additions.

Anyway, the new park is big enough such that it doesn't need to be filled to the brim in order to be a full-day park - the plot for the park is bigger than the other Orlando Uni parks, and it won't include a lagoon. There should be more to do than any of the non-MK WDW parks, for example.
 
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