Tron is now sitting at 373 million worldwide, while Narnia 3 is at 375 million. Now Tron cannot touch Narnia 1 with 750 million or Narnia 2 with 465 million. I bring these numbers up to relate the attraction rumors for Tron. If Disney dropped Narnia with such greater numbers in audience and money than Tron - I cannot see how Disney would throw more money at Tron for another film let alone an attraction. The merchandise theory could help Tron - but Narnia action figures have out sold Trons so far, but Narnia does not have a strong clothing line or other Tron gadgets. The other arguement is Disney has to split the bill with Walden Media for Narnia while Tron is all in house. I feel WDW is in much more need of Narnia type themes to compete with Potter and compliment AK than Tron's futuristic feel.
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Tron might finally beat Narnia
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zooey
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Disney bowed out of the Narnia franchise. Why would they even consider giving it a theme park presence (besides the long over-stayed its welcome Prince Caspian thing at DHS), especially since they'd have to buy back into the franchise to use any characters seen in the 3rd and on films? Nonsense.
This is a perfect example of a fanboi pushing an agenda without looking at the facts. Give it up. Narnia no longer has anything to do with Disney. It's over. :brick:
As for Tron, the jury's still out. We'll see how it does on home video as well as what the end result is on it's box office (it only opened in some international markets, including china, a few weeks ago).
I think you have to look at other factors as well. Merchandise is incredibly strong, home video probably will be as well. Also, the next film (if made) will be dramatically cheaper to produce and could have a broader appeal because it will occur in the real world as opposed to the cgi Tron world.
I'm also a bit confused as to how Narnia and Tron have done comparable numbers domestically. I try not to cloud my overall judgement by only my own personal experiences, but it seems like everyone I talk to has seen Tron whereas no one I talk to cares anything at all about Narnia. There just hasn't been any buzz about Narnia at all. Narnia just seems to be a dying franchise. At least with Tron, there are infinite possibilities to where it could go. They can easily make drastic changes to Tron to make it a success. Narnia is what it is.
As for Tron, the jury's still out. We'll see how it does on home video as well as what the end result is on it's box office (it only opened in some international markets, including china, a few weeks ago).
I think you have to look at other factors as well. Merchandise is incredibly strong, home video probably will be as well. Also, the next film (if made) will be dramatically cheaper to produce and could have a broader appeal because it will occur in the real world as opposed to the cgi Tron world.
I'm also a bit confused as to how Narnia and Tron have done comparable numbers domestically. I try not to cloud my overall judgement by only my own personal experiences, but it seems like everyone I talk to has seen Tron whereas no one I talk to cares anything at all about Narnia. There just hasn't been any buzz about Narnia at all. Narnia just seems to be a dying franchise. At least with Tron, there are infinite possibilities to where it could go. They can easily make drastic changes to Tron to make it a success. Narnia is what it is.
darthspielberg
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Narnia isn't a dying franchise though. It's just not popular in the states. It's HUGE overseas.
Disney shouldn't be doing Narnia things though, especially since their last involvment in the franchise was in 2008. Tron may not be a huge box office destroyer, but Disney will always own Tron, so an attraction wouldn't be unthinkable.
Disney shouldn't be doing Narnia things though, especially since their last involvment in the franchise was in 2008. Tron may not be a huge box office destroyer, but Disney will always own Tron, so an attraction wouldn't be unthinkable.
Crazy Harry
Active Member
And where are you getting this info? :shrug: You realize that is the whole point of the series right? You have no movie without the computer world. Now, I think what is lost on people is that Tron actually did really well considering the genre and considering it is a sequel to a 28 year old movie. The problem is that they spent way too much movie. If they had cut the budget down 40 or 50 million (whether this is feasible or not I don't know, purely hypothetical), then I think there would be no question that it would get the sequel at least.
Captain Chaos
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I think they spent so much money advertising BECAUSE it is a sequel to a 28 year old movie... They may have been better off just calling it a reboot, not a sequel, and starting over... May have captured more of an audience... Or the 373 million worldwide would look more huge if marketing costs were kept down...
Regardless, I think Tron Legacy was a success... And I think a sequel to Legacy would do just fine... They wouldn't have to market the holy crap out of it, thus increasing or making a nice profit from it...
Oh, and the game Tron: Evolution, is a fun game... Online play is so much better than the story mode game though... I have been playing it nightly since picking it up....
Regardless, I think Tron Legacy was a success... And I think a sequel to Legacy would do just fine... They wouldn't have to market the holy crap out of it, thus increasing or making a nice profit from it...
Oh, and the game Tron: Evolution, is a fun game... Online play is so much better than the story mode game though... I have been playing it nightly since picking it up....
WDW1974
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Tron hasn't even recouped its costs domestically yet. It opened softly in markets overseas where Disney had high hopes and its merchandise most definitely has not been a big seller.
But this has nothing to do with Narnia. Disney dumped it and they want no part of it anymore.
This isn't like say UNI loving having Spidey and Hulk in its parks.
But this has nothing to do with Narnia. Disney dumped it and they want no part of it anymore.
This isn't like say UNI loving having Spidey and Hulk in its parks.
flavious27
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The Chronicles of Narnia:
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
745 mil
The Chronicles of Narnia:
Prince Caspian
419 mil
The Chronicles of Narnia:
The Voyage of the Dawn Treader
376 mil
How is this not dying?
captainkidd
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I think Troniacs need to give up on another sequel. I could be wrong, but I'd be surprised if Disney went there. They tend to make sequels to movies that are sure-fire hits. Doesn't always work, but that's the general rule of thumb. To make another Tron movie with the same sort of special effects as Legacy, is too much of a gamble price tag wise.
jDoor
Banned
yes it has.....
and according to multiple movie news sources on the net, Disney has already greenlit a 3rd tron movie.
oh, and Narnia sucks... thats why disney dumped it... it sucked after the first film...
CJR
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Disney dumped Narnia because they didn't get as good of a deal with Prince Caspian as they did with The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe and Prince Caspian ended up doing much worse. Disney knew that there would be a downward trend (as the books have) and decided it would not be in their best interest to continue with the series. They still hold the rights to the first two movies, hence why the Prince Caspian attraction is still there.
Disney still could put a Narnia attraction in the parks, just like they put an American Idol attraction in the parks, which is also owned by Fox. There's really no telling what Disney will or won't do. That said, I don't see Narnia having any more presence than it currently does in the parks. I don't think Disney hates Narnia, but they have plenty of their own and newer ideas to go in, Tron being one of them.
Is Tron as powerful as Narnia? I don't think so. Otherwise, Tron would have outgrossed the first one. No matter what, The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe will always be a classic (and successful blockbuster) film. Tron can be recognized as a hit, but I don't think it'll ever reach blockbuster level like the first Narnia or the Pirates series has.
Don't get me wrong, Tron's a great series, but the money in terms of box office gross just isn't at those levels. I do think we'll see a Tron attraction before we'll ever see a Narnia ride. The reason is that it'll be far more easier to do Tron and unlike Narnia, Disney is on board for more films which will keep the attraction popular.
If Disney did it right, they could make a timeless Narnia attraction just like The Haunted Mansion or Tower of Terror are considered timeless. I don't think it's a investment worth risking since Disney has little to no stake in the future releases. If anything, they might participate with Fox in a boxset or something, but nothing more.
Disney still could put a Narnia attraction in the parks, just like they put an American Idol attraction in the parks, which is also owned by Fox. There's really no telling what Disney will or won't do. That said, I don't see Narnia having any more presence than it currently does in the parks. I don't think Disney hates Narnia, but they have plenty of their own and newer ideas to go in, Tron being one of them.
Is Tron as powerful as Narnia? I don't think so. Otherwise, Tron would have outgrossed the first one. No matter what, The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe will always be a classic (and successful blockbuster) film. Tron can be recognized as a hit, but I don't think it'll ever reach blockbuster level like the first Narnia or the Pirates series has.
Don't get me wrong, Tron's a great series, but the money in terms of box office gross just isn't at those levels. I do think we'll see a Tron attraction before we'll ever see a Narnia ride. The reason is that it'll be far more easier to do Tron and unlike Narnia, Disney is on board for more films which will keep the attraction popular.
If Disney did it right, they could make a timeless Narnia attraction just like The Haunted Mansion or Tower of Terror are considered timeless. I don't think it's a investment worth risking since Disney has little to no stake in the future releases. If anything, they might participate with Fox in a boxset or something, but nothing more.
jt04
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The box office take mirrors the quality of each films rating as evidenced by its RT ratings. I am refering to the avarage user rating and not the critics ratings who are predisposed to needing to find fault with the genre. If it does not advance "progressive" group think, in general, they will pan it. But that movement is transparent and bankrupt. Quite literally too.
It will do fine with DVD/VoD sales. And if they put the quality of the first film or even better in future movies than the box office will reflect that. That this series has deliberately been undermined is obvious. However, there is still a chance to redeem the franchise.
And of course, even with the weaknesses of the latest film it has still done quite respectable box office*. This is a trend developing in the entertainment industry that won't be stopped. Heh. :king:
* as opposed to something like Tangled for instance.
darthspielberg
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It'd be dying if it didn't make back it's budget, but all three films have done so in spades. The latest one cost less than 200 Million (a rare feat for a blockbuster in this day and age) and made almost 400 Million? That's not "death"
If the film made 20 Million at the box office and cost 200 million, then it'd be dead.
Disney has very high standards when it comes to what they want in a film's box office. Narnia didn't meet that, so it was offered to someone else. Tron may not meet it either, but they shoved so much into its marketing and promotion that they may try and get one more film out of it. Hope they get a real script this time, and not just a flashy light show hosted by Jeff Bridges.
flavious27
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It has grossed 376 mil but the amount sony has actually made is much less after the production, post production, and marketing costs along with walden and the theaters getting their cut. The series has been earning less and less, that is why it is dying.
lebeau
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Either you read wrong or your sources were misinformed.
Tron 3 has not been greenlit. They did some script development but that was before Legacy was released.
Disney is indeed taking a wait-and-see attitude towards another live-action Tron film. Those DVD/BluRay sales better be good!
flavious27
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The home sales of prince was 78 mil, compared to 352 mil for the lion, witch and Wardrobe. With the box office being less with dawn treader, it is doubtful more people are going to buy more dvds and blu rays.
