Tomorrowland Overhaul Speculation

[Disney Irish]

I don’t think they’d have a Tomorrowland model on display before giving a big announcement like that anyway. Marvel we already know about so it’s not a big deal to show a model.

Exactly.

Some folks did - some even thought that the 'secret project' was a new TL, which was silly. For the longest time, I was pretty sure that we'd get zip about TL. But with the rocks departing, eh, something seemed afoot.

So pegging a 2021 D23 with completion around 2023-2025 seems about right.

Except again there wouldn't be details at the 2021 D23 in your time frame.

The normal course of events is:

1. Announce new project with vague details, 4+ year completion, at year 1 D23
2. Details start coming out via Parks Blog
3. Construction starts
4. More details and a model at year 2-3 D23.

That is how every major project during the Iger era has happened. So if we get an announcement on Sunday it'll be vague detail wise and a completion time frame.

 

[britain]

Right, I was putting 2023-2025 as an "opening in phases new Tomorrowland" theoretical timeline. I suppose we could look at it in reverse - there's never a model for something that's about to open. (No Rise of the Resistance stuff to be seen at D23 this year!)

Let's say a New Tomorrowland 'opens' in 2023 (new entrance, new rocket spinner, maybe new Tronket Rods). I say 'opens' because I suspect a lot of it going to be in phases, stretched out to DL's 75th. So let's say Phase II: The All New Space Mountain in 2025, they still wouldn't show off a New Tomorrowland model at the '23 expo. There would be too much already about to open (or already did open) that year.

So we'd probably see the model at the '21 Expo. And as you said, we might get the early concept art at this Expo on Sunday.

On the other hand, with this timeline in mind, they could announce absolutely nothing this year for TL, tease in 21, model in 23, 'open' in 24, finish in 25.

 

[Disney Irish]

Right, I was putting 2023-2025 as an "opening in phases new Tomorrowland" theoretical timeline. I suppose we could look at it in reverse - there's never a model for something that's about to open. (No Rise of the Resistance stuff to be seen at D23 this year!)

Let's say a New Tomorrowland 'opens' in 2023 (new entrance, new rocket spinner, maybe new Tronket Rods). I say 'opens' because I suspect a lot of it going to be in phases, stretched out to the DL's 75th. So let's say Phase II: The All New Space Mountain in 2025, they still wouldn't show off a New Tomorrowland model at the '23 expo. There would be too much already about to open (or already did open) that year.

So we'd probably see the model at the '21 Expo. And as you said, we might get the early concept art at this Expo on Sunday. With this timeline in mind, they could do absolutely nothing this year for TL and 'open' in 24, finish in 25.

It all depends on what they have planned and if they'd be willing to close all or least most of the land to do it.

I have to suspect they'd at least close (or would be required to) most of the land for a couple months to remove the PM tracks. That can't be done in phases. There is too much exposed PM track weaving in and out of the land to do that piecemeal in phases.

 

[britain]

It all depends on what they have planned and if they'd be willing to close all or least most of the land to do it.

I have to suspect they'd at least close (or would be required to) most of the land for a couple months to remove the PM tracks. That can't be done in phases. There is too much exposed PM track weaving in and out of the land to do that piecemeal in phases.

Very true - I forgot about that. If there is some sort of spiritual successor to Rocket Rods that will have its track go through all the Tomorrowland attractions (Tron coaster or not), it would be very difficult to do it in phases. If it only takes out the Innoventions building and the subs, then the rest of TL could operate just fine while that's being built.

 

[RescueTheDay]

2021 D23 is the current plan to show off Tomorrowland. I’ll be surprised if they pull the trigger on showing anything at all this year, but who knows.

 

[Disney Irish]

Very true - I forgot about that. If there is some sort of spiritual successor to Rocket Rods that will have its track go through all the Tomorrowland attractions (Tron coaster or not), it would be very difficult to do it in phases. If it only takes out the Innoventions building and the subs, then the rest of TL could operate just fine while that's being built.

This is part of the reason I suspect they kept delaying the project. Deciding when and how to close the land. Because once you close it you might as well just do the entire project, or at least most of it.

 

[Disney Irish]

2021 D23 is the current plan to show off Tomorrowland. I’ll be surprised if they pull the trigger on showing anything at all this year, but who knows.

Show off how though, that is the question. If with models and details, then I'd expect at least a vague announcement with some basic timeline on Sunday. If its the vague announcement in 2021, then I wouldn't expect construction to start until much later with more details coming out at 2023 D23.

However I have to imagine they'd want at least most of the project done by the companies 100th anniversary in 2023.

 

[RescueTheDay]

Show off how though, that is the question. If with models and details, then I'd expect at least a vague announcement with some basic timeline. If its the vague announcement in 2021, then I wouldn't expect construction to start until much later with more details coming out at 2023 D23.

However I have to imagine they'd want at least most of the project done by the companies 100th anniversary in 2023.

With constant changing plans and internal fighting, they might just be nervous to announce anything yet. Like I said, that could change.

 

[captveg]

This is part of the reason I suspect they kept delaying the project. Deciding when and how to close the land. Because once you close it you might as well just do the entire project, or at least most of it.

Which is why I never thought they would do a huge TL makeover until SWGE was open. They needed another couple ride draws to take people away from the TL side of the park when they have to shut the land down to do the remodel.

 

[Disney Irish]

With constant changing plans and internal fighting, they might just be nervous to announce anything yet. Like I said, that could change.

Whats funny is an announcement like this would be something that would be almost universally accepted and cheered by the entire fandom.

The details of course would get debated over for years. But the very fact of them actually doing something would be accepted across the entire fandom. That is something that should be wanted internally.

 

[Disney Irish]

Which is why I never thought they would do a huge TL makeover until SWGE was open. They needed another couple ride draws to take people away from the TL side of the park when they have to shut the land down to do the remodel.

But that is only a recent thing. They’ve been trying to redo TL long before GE was a thing. So that is just the current excuse.

 

[captveg]

But that is only a recent thing. They’ve been trying to redo TL long before GE was a thing. So that is just the current excuse.

It's the latest justification for pushing it down the road, yes, but it's a perfectly logical one: allow new rides to help take on the capacity of shutting down Buzz/Star Tours/Space Mountain/Astro Orbiter/Nemo Submarines/Autopia/Monorail.

MMRR can only help this when it arrives in 2022, too.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's the latest justification for pushing it down the road, yes, but it's a perfectly logical one: allow new rides to help take on the capacity of shutting down Buzz/Star Tours/Space Mountain/Astro Orbiter/Nemo Submarines/Autopia/Monorail.

MMRR can only help this when it arrives in 2022, too.

Again its just an excuse. There will always be something new coming along to say they can't close the land because they can't lose capacity.

The point is they have to bite the bullet and just do it. Stop the delaying and just start the construction. Yeah it'll be a pain for awhile, but in the end we'll all be better off with a new TL.

 

[planodisney]

With everything they are doing in Orlando, plus the massive expansion in Paris, I don’t see them putting the resources/capital into a true Tomorrowland overhaul for quite a few years.
I think MMRR and Avengers Phase 2 will be next up for DLR.

 

[RescueTheDay]

With everything they are doing in Orlando, plus the massive expansion in Paris, I don’t see them putting the resources/capital into a true Tomorrowland overhaul for quite a few years.
I think MMRR and Avengers Phase 2 will be next up for DLR.

I mean, those are kind of a given... Those projects will be completed in 2022 and this will be for 2024/25.

 

[planodisney]

I see 2024/25 as a more likely start date, if it’s happening at all.

 

[Disney Irish]

I see 2024/25 as a more likely start date, if it’s happening at all.

It'll happen eventually, its only a matter of when. They CANNOT leave the PM tracks decaying there any longer. They will start becoming a health hazard pretty soon because they aren't being maintained.

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean, those are kind of a given... Those projects will be completed in 2022 and this will be for 2024/25.

If thats the case then we shouldn't expect any sort of announcement until 2023 D23. Which wouldn't make sense in my book.

Why start removing the TL french fry rocks if they aren't moving forward with at least some redo soon. They could have left those then for a couple more years.

Timing just doesn't make sense for a project slated 5-6 years from now.

 

[RescueTheDay]

If thats the case then we shouldn't expect any sort of announcement until 2023 D23. Which wouldn't make sense in my book.

Why start removing the TL french fry rocks if they aren't moving forward with at least some redo soon. They could have left those then for a couple more years.

Timing just doesn't make sense for a project slated 5-6 years from now.

Budget was already in place for their removal thanks to project stardust.

 

[Disney Irish]

Budget was already in place for their removal thanks to project stardust.

Except the rumors have been that the budget has already been in place for the removal of the PM tracks too. And yet they keep delaying that due to having to close down TL for at least a couple months to do it.

So again I ask why start removal of things now if the TL redo is still 5-6 years (always seems to be 5-6 years away from my recollection) away from even starting? Just doesn't make sense.

That is why a lot in the fandom have been reading tea leaves that it indicates the project is closer than we think.