brb1006
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They still have a float in Dreamlights.
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Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion
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I think that Tinker Bell is the only that’s in the movies that is actually on the float.
lazyboy97o
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Just look at Tokyo DisneySEA, Disney’s California Adventure and Walt Disney Studios Park. Disney used Oriental Land Company as a source of easy cash via design fees under the guise of maintaining “standards,” essentially subsidizing attraction development for all of the other parks.
cheezbat
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Great. So Tokyo can have all the IP tied attractions, and anything original planned for those parks can come to WDW instead!
(Ahh...if only it were that easy!)
tonymu
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I just read somewhere else that says all the attractions will be new for DisneySea. No clones.
RandySavage
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That hotel art is not encouraging. MiraCosta is the supreme themed hotel, architecturally, not just because it was executed so well, but because each of its segments is in similar scale to the real locales (Venice, Portofino, Tuscany). It's as good as it gets.
Trying to create a fairytale castle-themed hotel of that scale always results in something really awkward and schlocky:
It's theoretically possible to do it right - to design and build a grand palace (hotel) that feels like it could actually exist in a romanticized 18th century fairytale, just as MiraCosta really feels like old Italy. But no one's ever come close to doing so - even in concept - as far as I know - mainly because structures from that time period, even palaces, can't easily be remodeled into large resort hotels (e.g., sliding glass doors for guest rooms)
The hotel art is reminiscent of all the mediocre efforts in China to build castle hotels. Surprise me, Disney. Please.
EDIT: I found a sketch by the great John Horney that shows a Chateau hotel concept that looks a little more promising (like a Loire Valley chateau in scale). Sadly, Horney, Jafari and the other great hotel designers are long gone from Disney. The best you can hope for Disney hotels in this era are Bs at best., like Explorers Lodge or SDL Hotel.
Trying to create a fairytale castle-themed hotel of that scale always results in something really awkward and schlocky:
It's theoretically possible to do it right - to design and build a grand palace (hotel) that feels like it could actually exist in a romanticized 18th century fairytale, just as MiraCosta really feels like old Italy. But no one's ever come close to doing so - even in concept - as far as I know - mainly because structures from that time period, even palaces, can't easily be remodeled into large resort hotels (e.g., sliding glass doors for guest rooms)
The hotel art is reminiscent of all the mediocre efforts in China to build castle hotels. Surprise me, Disney. Please.
EDIT: I found a sketch by the great John Horney that shows a Chateau hotel concept that looks a little more promising (like a Loire Valley chateau in scale). Sadly, Horney, Jafari and the other great hotel designers are long gone from Disney. The best you can hope for Disney hotels in this era are Bs at best., like Explorers Lodge or SDL Hotel.
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fradz
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So I had an interesting thought this morning. Look at the aerial map of the resort. We have the Fantasyland expansion in TDL. This "kind of Fantasyland" expansion in TDS. Look how close they are, they are almost... connected...
Now, also look at where the new extra luxurious hotel is located (and which, as a reminder, will be the most luxurious hotel of the resort)
My guess, and it's not extremely far-fetched, is that both parks will be a direct walk-in for guests of that resort. They will get, regardless of how many days they are staying, automatically the 2parks per day tickets.
Note that this might even have consequences on regular guests, think Universal Orlando style with a direct link between the 2 parks (via an upcharge, of course). Only here, it will be through Fantasyland, not Harry Potter.
What do you guys think?
Now, also look at where the new extra luxurious hotel is located (and which, as a reminder, will be the most luxurious hotel of the resort)
My guess, and it's not extremely far-fetched, is that both parks will be a direct walk-in for guests of that resort. They will get, regardless of how many days they are staying, automatically the 2parks per day tickets.
Note that this might even have consequences on regular guests, think Universal Orlando style with a direct link between the 2 parks (via an upcharge, of course). Only here, it will be through Fantasyland, not Harry Potter.
What do you guys think?
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BrianLo
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The rides are not clones according to the official OLC press release.
I’m not sure where this Chapek bias is driven from. I hate clones, but we are running far less clones these days than other historical points with Disney. TDO aside of course. IP excessively, yes.
BrianLo
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Tangled is super weak on the appropriateness for Disney Sea. Neverland with a pirate focus doesn’t bother me, it ticks the exploration/adventure boxes. The Scandinavian/frozen port is ok...
But Tangled will be the most unique. *Shrug*.
I’m far more bothered by the years and years of stagnation with plastered character celebrations people have attributed to OLC ‘investing’. Happy celebration version 7.6 new parade fun time. More like treading water for the last decade.
The hotel looks like another garish Tokyo creation. Especially now that Bayside station is really officially in the bubble. Just pay 25% of the price for equivalent access.
This is actually substance though, and a lot of it. I’m unapologetically excited! Even if the Disneyfication of Disney Sea comes to a head. It’s unfortunately what OLC and their local fans want.
But Tangled will be the most unique. *Shrug*.
I’m far more bothered by the years and years of stagnation with plastered character celebrations people have attributed to OLC ‘investing’. Happy celebration version 7.6 new parade fun time. More like treading water for the last decade.
The hotel looks like another garish Tokyo creation. Especially now that Bayside station is really officially in the bubble. Just pay 25% of the price for equivalent access.
This is actually substance though, and a lot of it. I’m unapologetically excited! Even if the Disneyfication of Disney Sea comes to a head. It’s unfortunately what OLC and their local fans want.
SweetDuffy101
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OLC is not wasting money on this expansion When was the last time we saw a budget of 2.5 billion dollars for a 24 acre expansion and a 6 star hotel for a Disney resort. One interesting note is that Pixie Hollow has been resurrected from the FL expansion back a few years ago, and a Gondala Ride for PeterPan.
the.dreamfinder
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Is John Horney still alive?That hotel art is not encouraging. MiraCosta is the supreme themed hotel, architecturally, not just because it was executed so well, but because each of its segments is in similar scale to the real locales (Venice, Portofino, Tuscany). It's as good as it gets.
Trying to create a fairytale castle-themed hotel of that scale always results in something really awkward and schlocky:
It's theoretically possible to do it right - to design and build a grand palace (hotel) that feels like it could actually exist in a romanticized 18th century fairytale, just as MiraCosta really feels like old Italy. But no one's ever come close to doing so - even in concept - as far as I know - mainly because structures from that time period, even palaces, can't easily be remodeled into large resort hotels (e.g., sliding glass doors for guest rooms)
The hotel art is reminiscent of all the mediocre efforts in China to build castle hotels. Surprise me, Disney. Please.
EDIT: I found a sketch by the great John Horney that shows a Chateau hotel concept that looks a little more promising (like a Loire Valley chateau in scale). Sadly, Horney, Jafari and the other great hotel designers are long gone from Disney. The best you can hope for Disney hotels in this era are Bs at best., like Explorers Lodge or SDL Hotel.
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RandySavage
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This was also an early thought of mine. Toontown is problematic to this idea. Logistically, one would think the hotel would be on the outskirts of the development, versus in-between like you've shown. But that would negate entering either park only through the hotel and instead require direct park to park access. I can see the economic benefit of the having the two park entrance for the hotel, but not necessarily the park-to-park link. Should be interesting to see what happens.So I had an interesting thought this morning. Look at the aerial map of the resort. We have the Fantasyland expansion in TDL. This "kind of Fantasyland" expansion in TDS. Look how close they are, they are almost... connected...
Now, also look at where the new extra luxurious hotel is located (and which, as a reminder, will be the most luxurious hotel of the resort)
My guess, and it's not extremely far-fetched, is that both parks will be a direct walk-in for guests of that resort. They will get, regardless of how many days they are staying, automatically the 2parks per day tickets.
Note that this might even have consequences on regular guests, think Universal Orlando style with a direct link between the 2 parks (via an upcharge, of course). Only here, it will be through Fantasyland, not Harry Potter.
What do you guys think?
RandySavage
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I hope so. He's been doing work for Goddard Group, and before that the Chimera marvel park for Dubai.
the.dreamfinder
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I wonder if this project shares ideas pitched for TDL NFL and they didn’t want to tear down Toontown or something? Working around Toontown seems to have limited the ambition of how radically they could change that land’s design and layout.
Jones14
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Frozen and Pan work great for me. Tangled is definitely the weakest, but it seems to be the smallest of the three, almost as though they realized they had a little bit of empty space and wanted to fill it out with something that would visually transition well to and from the other two.
brb1006
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Yeah all attractions have Japanese dialogue including parades and shows. Tokyo at one point had English dialogue for Castle shows back in the 1990's. Unlike Paris where they started doing English and French dialogue for shows and a few parades sometime in the 2000's.
Disneylover152
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The $2.5 billion is going to the entire expansion. Meaning the new parking structure, the new hotel, Neverland, Tangled Area, and Frozen Area, Soarin', Beauty and the Beast Area, the theatre in Fantasyland, the new Minnie experience, and the redesign of the E-tickets (Small World, Jungle Cruise, Pirates).
I'll take a stab at things.
Let's begin with the hotel. The style is fantasy, but the design would be equally at home just beyond Jasmine's Flying Carpets on the outskirts of Arabian Coast. I believe the hotel will separate this new land from the rest of TDS; meaning that access to the new land is by going directly under the hotel.
I believe the series of archways to the right is the passage that will connect this port with the rest of TDS. I suspect the angle is taken from within the new port since we can see the large gift shop the press release talks about to the left of the archways.
To begin my map, I considered where street access to the hotel might come from. Ideally, the entrance would be closer to the front end of the resort to minimize congestion on the perimeter road. However, automobile traffic flow is not as big of a concern as it is for the city of Anaheim. Given the proximity to the monorail loop, I feel comfortable placing the hotel where I did. My plan does require the Bayside Station to be moved down. Operationally, I think the resort line could handle the change.
(1) is the Frozen ride. Things are pretty tight in this location. So, perhaps it will be an upgraded version of the EPCOT attraction, hidden behind a more elaborate show building. The description is: "She has since opened the castle gates so that Guests can freely visit the Kingdom. Located here will be a heartwarming attraction that tells the story of Elsa and her beloved sister, Anna. Guests will board boats and experience the sisters’ heartfelt journey while enjoying iconic songs from the film and encountering surprising thrills." That sure sounds similar to the EPCOT ride.
The Frozen restaurant (a TSR I imagine) and Snuggly Duckling (QSR?) should share the same facilities. I labeled that F&Bx2.
(2) is the Tangled boat ride.
"Guests will board gondolas for a romantic boat tour of Rapunzel’s “best day ever” as she journeys with Flynn to the lantern festival. Countless flickering lanterns illuminate the attraction’s climactic scene while Rapunzel and Flynn sing an iconic song from the film, building to an unforgettable finale."
The concept art suggests the boat ride will go outside at some point, perhaps immediately at the beginning of things, before going behind the waterfall into the show building. The ride system seems similar to the Avatar boat ride, and the description evokes that ride as well. I would expect this to be another solid D ticket with about 3-4 minutes of material in the showbuilding.
Lastly, we come to the Peter Pan area, which is going to be the bulk of the experience. The official press release describes 2 attractions, but that isn't counting the many walk through's that are sure to be there (Skull Rock + Pirate Ship). (3) on my map is the E ticket of the land. From the descriptions, the Pan ride sounds like the headliner. Let's just assume that the Peter Pan ride as we know it is out of the picture (Maybe the TDL PP will stay, maybe it will be converted into a Poppins ride that preserves the "Flying over London" experience). Either way, this ride is definitely not taking you to London. I agree with Randy that this could use Shanghai's Pirates technology. I would expect this to be the longest and highest capacity fo the ride.
I put (4) as the Pixie ride. It would be the obligatory spinner of the land. Perhaps it will be lifted from the abandoned New Fantasyland 1.0 plans. Or perhaps, the spinner will be a new ride system, given this will come a few years after the Big Hero 6 spinner opens in TDL.
In summary, I believe the roster will be as follows:
1. Frozen Ever After [D] (~5 minutes)
2. Tangled Gondolas [D] (~4.5 minutes)
3. Neverland Adventure [E] (6 minutes)
4. Pixie Hollow (2 minutes)
...and then, 2 QSR's and 1 TSR.
Let's begin with the hotel. The style is fantasy, but the design would be equally at home just beyond Jasmine's Flying Carpets on the outskirts of Arabian Coast. I believe the hotel will separate this new land from the rest of TDS; meaning that access to the new land is by going directly under the hotel.
I believe the series of archways to the right is the passage that will connect this port with the rest of TDS. I suspect the angle is taken from within the new port since we can see the large gift shop the press release talks about to the left of the archways.
To begin my map, I considered where street access to the hotel might come from. Ideally, the entrance would be closer to the front end of the resort to minimize congestion on the perimeter road. However, automobile traffic flow is not as big of a concern as it is for the city of Anaheim. Given the proximity to the monorail loop, I feel comfortable placing the hotel where I did. My plan does require the Bayside Station to be moved down. Operationally, I think the resort line could handle the change.
(1) is the Frozen ride. Things are pretty tight in this location. So, perhaps it will be an upgraded version of the EPCOT attraction, hidden behind a more elaborate show building. The description is: "She has since opened the castle gates so that Guests can freely visit the Kingdom. Located here will be a heartwarming attraction that tells the story of Elsa and her beloved sister, Anna. Guests will board boats and experience the sisters’ heartfelt journey while enjoying iconic songs from the film and encountering surprising thrills." That sure sounds similar to the EPCOT ride.
The Frozen restaurant (a TSR I imagine) and Snuggly Duckling (QSR?) should share the same facilities. I labeled that F&Bx2.
(2) is the Tangled boat ride.
"Guests will board gondolas for a romantic boat tour of Rapunzel’s “best day ever” as she journeys with Flynn to the lantern festival. Countless flickering lanterns illuminate the attraction’s climactic scene while Rapunzel and Flynn sing an iconic song from the film, building to an unforgettable finale."
The concept art suggests the boat ride will go outside at some point, perhaps immediately at the beginning of things, before going behind the waterfall into the show building. The ride system seems similar to the Avatar boat ride, and the description evokes that ride as well. I would expect this to be another solid D ticket with about 3-4 minutes of material in the showbuilding.
Lastly, we come to the Peter Pan area, which is going to be the bulk of the experience. The official press release describes 2 attractions, but that isn't counting the many walk through's that are sure to be there (Skull Rock + Pirate Ship). (3) on my map is the E ticket of the land. From the descriptions, the Pan ride sounds like the headliner. Let's just assume that the Peter Pan ride as we know it is out of the picture (Maybe the TDL PP will stay, maybe it will be converted into a Poppins ride that preserves the "Flying over London" experience). Either way, this ride is definitely not taking you to London. I agree with Randy that this could use Shanghai's Pirates technology. I would expect this to be the longest and highest capacity fo the ride.
I put (4) as the Pixie ride. It would be the obligatory spinner of the land. Perhaps it will be lifted from the abandoned New Fantasyland 1.0 plans. Or perhaps, the spinner will be a new ride system, given this will come a few years after the Big Hero 6 spinner opens in TDL.
In summary, I believe the roster will be as follows:
1. Frozen Ever After [D] (~5 minutes)
2. Tangled Gondolas [D] (~4.5 minutes)
3. Neverland Adventure [E] (6 minutes)
4. Pixie Hollow (2 minutes)
...and then, 2 QSR's and 1 TSR.
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