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Tokyo Disneyland Resort Expansion Watch

MickeyMario

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Thanks. Regarding the adjusted parking lot area behind the BatB show building, I read that it is being used to house facilities for the construction crew currently. I wonder if it will become repurposed as a permanent backstage area or as a new berm to replace the one lost during the expansion. I noticed in your outline above you have included it as part of the new TDS expansion area.
Yeah I'm not sure what will happen with that area either.
It'd make sense to use it for TDS, but we'll see
 
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more info from "Kensetsunews"
https://www.kensetsunews.com/web-kan/213920

Gross floor area
*82,129 sq.ft : Motion-base Ride (2 stories)
**5,812 sq.ft : Trackless Ride

**1,615 sq.ft : Pirates Ship
**1,076 sq.ft : Rockworks Building
*18,837 sq.ft : Restaurant A
****108 sq.ft : Stanchion Warehouse A (backstage)

*38,965 sq.ft : Boat Ride A (2 stories)
****161 sq.ft : Boat Ride Entry Building
*49,945 sq.ft : Restaurant B & Restaurant C (2 stories)

*95,906 sq.ft : Boat Ride B (2 stories)
**1,076 sq.ft : Shop
**3,014 sq.ft : Area Restroom
****538 sq.ft : Ice & Drink Cart
****215 sq.ft : Popcorn Cart
****215 sq.ft : Merchandise Cart
****323 sq.ft : Vending Machine
****108 sq.ft : Stanchion Warehouse B (backstage)

771,772 sq.ft : Hotel (9 stories)
****215 sq.ft : Hotel Security Booth
****484 sq.ft : Gazebo

*36,382 sq.ft : CEP Building (backstage)
**2,368 sq.ft : Power Branch(power generation) (backstage)

FYI
81,935 sq.ft : BatB Ride (2 stories)
 
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more info from "Kensetsunews"
https://www.kensetsunews.com/web-kan/213920

Gross floor area
*82,129 sq.ft : Motion-base Ride (2 stories)
**5,812 sq.ft : Trackless Ride

**1,615 sq.ft : Pirates Ship
**1,076 sq.ft : Rockworks Building
*18,837 sq.ft : Restaurant A
****108 sq.ft : Stanchion Warehouse A (backstage)

*38,965 sq.ft : Boat Ride A (2 stories)
****161 sq.ft : Boat Ride Entry Building
*49,945 sq.ft : Restaurant B & Restaurant C (2 stories)

*95,906 sq.ft : Boat Ride B (2 stories)
**1,076 sq.ft : Shop
**3,014 sq.ft : Area Restroom
****538 sq.ft : Ice & Drink Cart
****215 sq.ft : Popcorn Cart
****215 sq.ft : Merchandise Cart
****323 sq.ft : Vending Machine
****108 sq.ft : Stanchion Warehouse B (backstage)

771,772 sq.ft : Hotel (9 stories)
****215 sq.ft : Hotel Security Booth
****484 sq.ft : Gazebo

*36,382 sq.ft : CEP Building (backstage)
**2,368 sq.ft : Power Branch(power generation) (backstage)

FYI
81,935 sq.ft : BatB Ride (2 stories)
Great info!
So I'm guessing:

*82,129 sq.ft : Motion-base Ride (2 stories) - Peter Pan

**5,812 sq.ft : Trackless Ride - Tinkerbell

*38,965 sq.ft : Boat Ride A (2 stories) - Tangled

*95,906 sq.ft : Boat Ride B (2 stories) - Frozen
 
Does anyone happen to know the approximate square footage of Frozen Ever After's show building at Epcot? Since HKDL and WDSP are reportedly getting a clone of that, it would be interesting to see just how much bigger the TDS version is supposed to be.

Also, are there any existing dark rides with a similar square footage to the Tangled attraction for comparison purposes? I know Indiana Jones Adventure is around 50,000 square feet for example.

Other thoughts:

-I'm curious what kind of tech the Peter Pan E-ticket is using. Guests board boats down a river but are somehow flying in the air for a good portion of the attraction.

-The show buildings for the boat rides are two stories tall. I wonder if this is enough for a small drop like on PotC.

-I wasn't expecting trackless tech for Tinkerbell. Hopefully they incorporate the synchronized movements from Luigi's at DCA to distinguish it from Aquatopia.

-Interesting that the Tangled and Frozen-themed restaurants are grouped together in one building. I wonder if they share a common kitchen. I envisioned the pub one to be counter service and the other in the castle to be table service.

-I really wasn't expecting the hotel to be 9 stories tall. That's even taller than the TDL Hotel.

-Movement of the CEP building is indeed good news. It shows they are at least thinking about opening up that spot for a future attraction. I'd prefer to see an Aladdin dark ride, especially since the character doesn't have any presence in TDS currently. Unless they're going for something around Prince Eric's castle, making an Ariel dark ride might be problematic since all the underwater stuff is currently being cleverly contained under Triton's castle. It wouldn't make too much thematic sense to have two "under the sea" areas separate from each other.
 
Does anyone happen to know the approximate square footage of Frozen Ever After's show building at Epcot? Since HKDL and WDSP are reportedly getting a clone of that, it would be interesting to see just how much bigger the TDS version is supposed to be.
43,790.91 ft² square feet with the queue, 38,791.26 ft² without.


Also, are there any existing dark rides with a similar square footage to the Tangled attraction for comparison purposes? I know Indiana Jones Adventure is around 50,000 square feet for example.
If the Tangled attraction is the 38 ft², then Epcot's Frozen attraction.
 
I'm curious what kind of tech the Peter Pan E-ticket is using. Guests board boats down a river but are somehow flying in the air for a good portion of the attraction.
I'm not a theme park or tech expert and I'm sure there's a lot more to it than I'm thinking, but if any Disney boat ride vehicle started on a suspended track but in the water first, I feel like it wouldn't need too much tech to at some point lift them out of the water and continue on the suspended track, right?
 

BrianLo

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Does anyone happen to know the approximate square footage of Frozen Ever After's show building at Epcot? Since HKDL and WDSP are reportedly getting a clone of that, it would be interesting to see just how much bigger the TDS version is supposed to be.
This is the one thing I'm holding on to, that the released HKDL plans demonstrate a show building approximately 30-50% larger than Epcot.

Still much smaller than Tokyo's, but that fits with the rumours that Hong Kong and WDSP will get the 'Shanghai's Peter Pan' version of Frozen Ever After (aka largely the same ride, with tweaks and a different ride system. Tokyo's looks to be completely different. That fits with Tokyo's being a real mega-E show stopper.


-Movement of the CEP building is indeed good news. It shows they are at least thinking about opening up that spot for a future attraction. I'd prefer to see an Aladdin dark ride, especially since the character doesn't have any presence in TDS currently. Unless they're going for something around Prince Eric's castle, making an Ariel dark ride might be problematic since all the underwater stuff is currently being cleverly contained under Triton's castle. It wouldn't make too much thematic sense to have two "under the sea" areas separate from each other.
I assume the CEP plans would be far out, but that's pretty interesting. Aladdin deserves a dark ride, but at the same time it's a bit challenging. Sindbad is so good and they botched the low hanging fruit by building Soaring and Jasmine's flying carpets on either end. That said the row of 'boat rides' from Sindbad into the new TDS fantasyland area doesn't seem to be bothering them too much.
 

RSG1025

Well-Known Member
This is the one thing I'm holding on to, that the released HKDL plans demonstrate a show building approximately 30-50% larger than Epcot.

Still much smaller than Tokyo's, but that fits with the rumours that Hong Kong and WDSP will get the 'Shanghai's Peter Pan' version of Frozen Ever After (aka largely the same ride, with tweaks and a different ride system. Tokyo's looks to be completely different. That fits with Tokyo's being a real mega-E show stopper.

I assume the CEP plans would be far out, but that's pretty interesting. Aladdin deserves a dark ride, but at the same time it's a bit challenging. Sindbad is so good and they botched the low hanging fruit by building Soaring and Jasmine's flying carpets on either end. That said the row of 'boat rides' from Sindbad into the new TDS fantasyland area doesn't seem to be bothering them too much
I hope that is true. I think FEA is a good dark ride, but HKDL and WDSP have an opportunity to build something that isn't constrained by an existing track/building. I didn't realize HKDL's show building was that much bigger. Does that also include an expanded queue area, or is that purely for the track?

And it's possible TDS won't get another major addition after this new port until at least 2026-2027 (for its 25th). Maybe even longer given the sheer scale of investment by OLC these upcoming years. But I wouldn't be too surprised if at some point in the distant future, they decided to close the aging and outdated Magic Lamp Theater (3D shows like it are pretty much dead now) and combine the two areas for a large and advanced dark ride based on Aladdin.
 
And it's possible TDS won't get another major addition after this new port until at least 2026-2027 (for its 25th). Maybe even longer given the sheer scale of investment by OLC these upcoming years. But I wouldn't be too surprised if at some point in the distant future, they decided to close the aging and outdated Magic Lamp Theater (3D shows like it are pretty much dead now) and combine the two areas for a large and advanced dark ride based on Aladdin.
There's still supposed to be a phase 3 of these expansions.
And considering how close to each other phase 1 and 2 are, I would bet we'll get the next one before 2026/27.

Phase 1 (2019/20) - Speedway replacement, Soarin
Phase 2 (2022) - Fantasy Springs
Phase 3 (2025?) - my guesses: TDR new port next to River Delta / replacement of something at TDL (RoA?) / TDR CEP building replacement (like @rabbit111 pointed out) maybe using Magic Lamp Theater as queue?
 
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I hope TDL's next major expansion focuses on the parking lots adjacent to Tomorrowland. There's enough space for a huge land that doesn't require removing anything already existing at the park (although they probably need a way to hide the monorail). I read OLC rejected a potential Star Wars land years ago, but that was before the new trilogy proved lucrative at the box office. They also smartly turned down a plan to turn the RoA into Cars Land.
 
I hope TDL's next major expansion focuses on the parking lots adjacent to Tomorrowland. There's enough space for a huge land that doesn't require removing anything already existing at the park (although they probably need a way to hide the monorail). I read OLC rejected a potential Star Wars land years ago, but that was before the new trilogy proved lucrative at the box office. They also smartly turned down a plan to turn the RoA into Cars Land.
It seems as if they don't want to go down the path of single-IP lands. It's the only resort lacking one and they were offered plans twice and denied them both. Also, they could have easily built a Frozen Port but decided to go with the Fantasy Springs Area.

I'm not counting Mermaid Lagoon as a single IP land because while most of its attractions are The Little Mermaid, a significant amount are still just basic ocean theme (Blowfish Balloon Race, Jumpin' Jellyfish, The Whirlpool). Same with Arabian Coast, two Aladdin themed attractions but a significant amount another IP or basic Arabic Coast theme. Lost River Delta is a South American themed exploration land, with Indiana Jones playing a major part but also other, non-IP attractions & mickey and friends meet and greet.
 
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