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Tired of these people

thomas998

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There are lots of ways to make it so Disney probably won’t catch you coming back in after a trespass notice and lifetime ban. However, part of the deterrent is that, even though they might not catch you coming back in (like Walmart or Target may not catch a shoplifter walking back in after a trespass notice), they are risking the fact that they *might* get caught coming back in and there are more teeth in potential penalties for violating a legal order not to trespass once they’ve been banned and put on proper notice.
That reminds me of a 2 guys in high school that got caught shoplifting at Target and part of the deal was they were banned for life from that Target store... Fast forward 9 months and when I was shopping in that same Target I notice one of the 2 guys now works there. I really don't put much stock in lifetime bans.
 

JoeCamel

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The only way they will ever really make a meaningful example is when someone does some crap like this in such a way that Disney can use the act as an excuse to spend lots of money on the ride cleaning it up or fixing damage and then not only presses criminal charges against the person that did it but also suing them in civil court to the point the person goes bankrupt... at that point it would serve as an example. But let's be honest about it, even if Disney called the police and pressed criminal charges the prosecutor would at most give the person probation and that would be the end of it. An example is only meaningful when it all but destroys someone.
I disagree, they could make a very meaningful example by holding public floggings......
I could see Bob selling tickets
 

Jrb1979

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You don’t need to show ID to get into the parks and their facial recognition testing doesn’t register unique faces it’s barely getting enough data to assign your ticket a unique number for your visit.

Disney currently has no realistic way to ban a guest from its parks.
Revoking their tickets or AP would be enough.
 

BubbaisSleep

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Did anyone see those videos on how the public treated this woman who illegally climbed Kukulkan's pyramid in Chichen Itza.
She literally looked like Cersei doing the "Shame!" walk from Game of Thrones when she was walked through an angry crowd by security.
Imagine if that guy who climbed the pyramid at Epcot's Mexico or this guy on Spaceship Earth was treated the same way haha. It would never happen again.
 

thomas998

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The ID will be required at time of trespass so Disney can identify them upon reentry attempt.
The facial recognition system Disney uses now (everyone on here is an expert) may not be up to YOUR standards, but they have the $$ to invest in state of the art technology IF THEY WANTED TO…the problem is THEY DON’T
My understanding is that at DL they simply have a bunch of photos of people that are banned there in an area where the security hang out before work. And when someone at DL gets caught trespassing it is because one of the security people spot them. Not because of any high tech stuff. At WDW their finger print system never seemed to work well for me as numerous times I would have to show my ID to prove I was the person on the ticket.

I the big scheme of problems at Disney I would guess catching people they have banned is so low on the list it will never get a dedicated system to catch them. I mean how many people are actually given a lifetime ban in any given year? Assume it is a dozen a year... given a person banned is probably only going to be around another 50 and at any given time you are only trying to keep out 600 people... You would have a hard time trying to justify 10s or 100s of millions of dollars to stop that many people.
 

NickMaio

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My understanding is that at DL they simply have a bunch of photos of people that are banned there in an area where the security hang out before work. And when someone at DL gets caught trespassing it is because one of the security people spot them. Not because of any high tech stuff. At WDW their finger print system never seemed to work well for me as numerous times I would have to show my ID to prove I was the person on the ticket.

I the big scheme of problems at Disney I would guess catching people they have banned is so low on the list it will never get a dedicated system to catch them. I mean how many people are actually given a lifetime ban in any given year? Assume it is a dozen a year... given a person banned is probably only going to be around another 50 and at any given time you are only trying to keep out 600 people... You would have a hard time trying to justify 10s or 100s of millions of dollars to stop that many people.

It might be more sophisticated than you think.
 

thomas998

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It might be more sophisticated than you think.
It may be... but then I think of Apple's wonderful facial recognition that couldn't tell the difference between different Asians, and that was on a device that was based off a head on phone image. I can't believe Disney has come up with anything better than a phone manufacturer. I know we are all used to seeing movies where the CIA or MI5 uses some recognition software to scan CCTV images at lightning speed... but I really don't think reality is anywhere near that level.
 

NickMaio

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It may be... but then I think of Apple's wonderful facial recognition that couldn't tell the difference between different Asians, and that was on a device that was based off a head on phone image. I can't believe Disney has come up with anything better than a phone manufacturer. I know we are all used to seeing movies where the CIA or MI5 uses some recognition software to scan CCTV images at lightning speed... but I really don't think reality is anywhere near that level.
Have you ever been to a casino?
Apple has nothing on FR tech.

Disney has the best interest of money and it guests in mind. It's one of the most populated tourist destinations on the planet.

I'm not talking about banned people. I am talking more about FBI most wanted lists.

You might not see the cameras but they are everywhere.
 

thomas998

Well-Known Member
Have you ever been to a casino?
Apple has nothing on FR tech.

Disney has the best interest of money and it guests in mind. It's one of the most populated tourist destinations on the planet.

I'm not talking about banned people. I am talking more about FBI most wanted lists.

You might not see the cameras but they are everywhere.
Actually I've worked at a casino, and yes they had more cameras following people that anyone could ever imagine their FR wasn't what you think it is. While they shared photos and info on card counters and others that were banned they would still have card counters that would make it for hours sometimes days before they were flagged and those were ones that were in their system. If they were wearing glasses and had facial hair in the original photos and not when they entered the casino or vice versa they could escape being recognized. Some were only recognized after they were caught counting card and then they would notice they were already in the system. So believe what you want about the systems, I don't see them as being nearly as good as you would need them to be.
 

NickMaio

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Actually I've worked at a casino, and yes they had more cameras following people that anyone could ever imagine their FR wasn't what you think it is. While they shared photos and info on card counters and others that were banned they would still have card counters that would make it for hours sometimes days before they were flagged and those were ones that were in their system. If they were wearing glasses and had facial hair in the original photos and not when they entered the casino or vice versa they could escape being recognized. Some were only recognized after they were caught counting card and then they would notice they were already in the system. So believe what you want about the systems, I don't see them as being nearly as good as you would need them to be.
Sounds good.
One of my good friends currently works at a Casino in our city. She would also differ you on your opinion about FR.
She says in the last 5 years - not one person, who was in the black book, made it onto the floor. Currently the number of guests in that book is over 3k.
At that is in a casino in Toronto Canada.

Let's agree to disagree, have a good one :)
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
Sounds good.
One of my good friends currently works at a Casino in our city. She would also differ you on your opinion about FR.
She says in the last 5 years - not one person, who was in the black book, made it onto the floor. Currently the number of guests in that book is over 3k.
At that is in a casino in Toronto Canada.

Let's agree to disagree, have a good one :)
If they weren't caught how do they know they didn't get in? Wouldn't it be more that 100% of those they caught via the system had been caught before. New ones might have arrived and old, previously caught might have made it by the system. Without being caught they really don't know.
 

NickMaio

Well-Known Member
If they weren't caught how do they know they didn't get in? Wouldn't it be more that 100% of those they caught via the system had been caught before. New ones might have arrived and old, previously caught might have made it by the system. Without being caught they really don't know.
They were caught before they entered.........
 

Goofyernmost

Well-Known Member
They were caught before they entered.........
I know that the ones that were caught were before entering. How does anyone know if others that were on the list didn't get in, but just weren't caught. They might just have never caught them, that doesn't mean they didn't get in. If there were 3 thousand on the list does that mean that they caught 3K trying to get back in?
 

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