News Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[mightynine]

Is the “ceiling” for this FEA? That’s not good.

I do think it’s funny that a company bound and determined to make their parks the Vertical Integration Kingdom gives some of their most popular relatively recent animation IPs the shortest shrift in WDW.

Frozen, a genuine blockbuster that could’ve driven a whole land, is frantically shoehorned into Epcot. (And has an amusing stage show in DHS.) Tangled, which blew PatF away in terms of box office, gets some bathrooms.

Maybe they’ll get it right with Encanto, who knows.

 

[trainplane3]

Jenny’s video has 7 Mil views.

Tiana’s is on pace for 3 Mil in the same time frame.

Let that sink in.

People would rather watch a 4 hour video about the failed StarCruiser than see the newest Disney attraction.

I will say it is the weekend which makes it a very awkward release for Disney. Most people are probably are out and about. Also first day of June so some cities are holding pride parades as well.

Just a very weird date to release something pretty major. I'd expect the usual Good Morning America thing they usually do on ABC to hype it up.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I will say it is the weekend which makes it a very awkward release for Disney. Most people are probably are out and about. Also first day of June so some cities are holding pride parades as well.

Just a very weird date to release something pretty major. I'd expect the usual Good Morning America thing they usually do on ABC to hype it up.

Look up “burying the lead”…and see who’s holding a shovel here?

I’m looking at you, creepy Josh…now stay off my damn hotel tv

 

[rtmachine]

Another live stream and another evac in the last few minutes...

 

[MouseEarsMom33]

But then, why release it? This was completely unexpected.

Someone in the Youtube comments speculated this was to get the online discussion away from that four hour Jenny Nicholsen video that rips the Star Wars Hotel/Modern Disney. That actually makes sense to me- I think WDI/Disney thought they had a home run here.

Maybe. I'm guessing they wanted cast members and bloggers to see it in advance so they could be prepared. A person's reaction will be less negative riding it if they see it in advance.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Overall I think people have every right to be upset and downright disappointed at the final result.

However I will say some of the commentary is a little silly. This attraction has some redeeming qualities in my opinion.

Where they went wrong is trying to apply modern Disney standards on a classic attraction.

TBA truly seems like a 2020s Disney ride with all the bells and whistles you expect. However the Imagineers are not used to designing for over 10 minute attractions so they fell flat in trying to execute it.

I think the issue is they have locked it in a measuring contest for at least 20 years.

And that is ON THEM.

Their parks need new things with a clean slate to provide more value day in and out and appeal to a wider array of tastes.

They do NOT need rethemes with lightning lane in mind.

And that is bad management

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Maybe. I'm guessing they wanted cast members and bloggers to see it in advance so they could be prepared. A person's reaction will be less negative riding it if they see it in advance.

…not these days

 

[Trauma]

Ok I just sorted the comments on the YouTube Video by newest since I figured maybe the negative ones where getting filtered to the top.

Nope.

This is crash and burn territory.

Disney should probably turn off the comments or take the video down.

This is Starcruiser promo level of bad.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This thread has me agreeing with Peter and Eddie….

…I need everyone to go to the nearest window and see if the four horseman are riding down your street

 

[JohnD]

Ok I just sorted the comments on the YouTube Video by newest since I figured maybe the negative ones where getting filtered to the top.

Nope.

This is crash and burn territory.

Disney should probably turn off the comments or take the video down.

This is Starcruiser promo level of bad.

I agree it's bad but somehow I think Disney execs knew it so decided to get ahead of bad reception by releasing a video. That would dampen reception when bloggers/vloggers ride it because they'll have seen the video first.

 

[aladdin2007]

couple of questions: so there is no music or sound effects going up the main lift hill? just a weak ray of light?

and what is on the right side after the musical critters before you go down the first drop inside?

 

[AdventureHasAName]

IMHO, what the new ride is missing is that, when you're shrunk down, if it is intending to imply you've been turned into a frog, it is not obvious. This could have been easily corrected by having the portion right before the drop at 4:45 (with Mama Odie on the screen and immediately preceeding the "time to get tiny"), instead be a Dr. Facilier section where he does his musical number, then turns you into a frog. Then, as soon as you go down the drop, that large pink bottle at the 5:05 mark would have some sort of screen effect (simulating a mirror) where you see your entire log is now all frogs sitting in it floating through the water. That would make it clear that you're now all frogs and it would better explain why you are tiny and why the large frog at 5:12 is bigger than a normal human. Then the fireflies somehow help you turn Facilier into a frog (or otherwise neutralize him on the riders' behalf) right before the lift hill. Then the finale could have Frog Facilier somewhere towards the ending (demonstrating he's alive but yet again dealt with semi-permanently).

This would (a) explain why you are small, (b) give a purpose to the fireflies room, (c) include the most interesting character from the film, (d) include the best music from the film, and (e) introduce a sense of conflict/danger. Seems to me this stuff should have been obvious to anyone in Imagineering, but apparently it wasn't.

 

[Trauma]

I agree it's bad but somehow I think Disney execs knew it so decided to get ahead of bad reception by releasing a video. That would dampen reception when bloggers/vloggers ride it because they'll have seen the video first.

I don’t know, I think you give the execs to much credit.

They are clearly not very bright considering the decisions they have been making.

 

[JohnD]

I will say it is the weekend which makes it a very awkward release for Disney. Most people are probably are out and about. Also first day of June so some cities are holding pride parades as well.

Just a very weird date to release something pretty major. I'd expect the usual Good Morning America thing they usually do on ABC to hype it up.

In political circles, "document dumps" are released mostly on Fridays but over the weekend to get the bad news out there when major media aren't reporting on it but those releasing the info can't be blamed for withholding info either. This is the WDW equivalent.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I really hate the way these two women have been vilified by those critical of the retheme. And it’s very telling that they have been. I don’t see scapegoats being singled out for other unpopular projects.

Watch the video. Sometimes non-living things cause their own grief just on the merits

Say directly what you are saying indirectly. I don't remember your vagaries when it came to Chapek and he is such a "villain," they could them a whole new park around him.

Anyone would be getting blowed up in this scenario…Tony Baxter, Bob gurr, John hench and Marty sklar would be

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In political circles, "document dumps" are released mostly on Fridays but over the weekend to get the bad news out there when major media aren't reporting on it but those releasing the info can't be blamed for withholding info either. This is the WDW equivalent.

After news dump

Like when coward Bob “retired”

Never a new trick

 

[Brer Oswald]

IMHO, what the new ride is missing is that, when you're shrunk down, if it is intending to imply you've been turned into a frog, it is not obvious. This could have been easily corrected by having the portion right before the drop at 4:45 (with Mama Odie on the screen and immediately preceeding the "time to get tiny"), instead be a Dr. Facilier section where he does his musical number, then turns you into a frog. Then, as soon as you go down the drop, that large pink bottle at the 5:05 mark would have some sort of screen effect (simulating a mirror) where you see your entire log is now all frogs sitting in it floating through the water. That would make it clear that you're now all frogs and it would better explain why you are tiny and why the large frog at 5:12 is bigger than a normal human. Then the fireflies somehow help you turn Facilier into a frog (or otherwise neutralize him on the riders' behalf) right before the lift hill. Then the finale could have Frog Facilier somewhere towards the ending (demonstrating he's alive but yet again dealt with semi-permanently).

This would (a) explain why you are small, (b) give a purpose to the fireflies room, (c) include the most interesting character from the film, (d) include the best music from the film, and (e) introduce a sense of conflict/danger. Seems to me this stuff should have been obvious to anyone in Imagineering, but apparently it wasn't.

I armchaired a PatF dark ride on here back in 2017 where the plot was Dr Facilier turning guests into a frog, and Louis+Tiana helped you escape into the Bayou before Mama Odie turned you back to normal.

 

[Professortango1]

Disney may have fooled me for awhile with the AA footage, but at least I know my concerns and predictions were pretty much on point throughout.

I was worried the mountain would look less iconic. It does.

I was worried modern imagineers wouldn't understand how to utilize music to score a musical attraction. They didn't.

I was worried that the removal of Splash AA's would leave big empty moments and the new figures would lack character. Yup.

I was worried about the dialogue and plot. MMMHMMM.

I was worried that the lift hill and drop would be recontextualized. It was.

I was worried that the recontextualization of the lift hill and drops would work against the storytelling in place in the ride design. It did.

The only thing I didn't know about was the idea to end the attraction on an unknown original song and having it fade out so quickly to final nothing scene of Odie.

I know it is much easier to armchair imagineer than actually doing it, but I wonder how much fault lies with modern Imagineering and how much lies with management not giving them the resources or freedom to design rides like they used to. I'm sure its a mix, but this feels like management told them to craft an original story, save money, and avoid all scary/problematic themes. And this was the best the modern imagineers could come up with those restrictions. Which is kind of baffling.

I understand the "wait and see" crowd, but it also is annoying that folks have been laying out evidence for years and they refuse to look at it or understand how many of us came to these conclusions. Let's all remember that thinking critically about what we have been presented is not jumping to conclusions.

 

[LittleBuford]

Do you ever try any other tricks than to play the card? Watch the video.

Perhaps you should actually read my posts first before assuming I haven’t seen or commented on the video.

 

[JohnD]

Asked 6 minutes ago in the YT comments, "Where is the Adventure in Tiana's Bayou Adventure"?