Trip Report This Is Not The Disney World I Remember

I can’t believe what’s happened to this place.

I've given myself time to cool down and get perspective on what was a surprisingly negative experience at WDW. It was so different from when I was there with my family in 2015 that I felt compelled to post about it. And to send a warning to parents who may not know about the "FastPass" system the park has.

Parents with small kids - read and take heed.

in 2015 my wife and 3 kids (all under 13) had a wonderful time at the park, even without using the FastPass feature. Yes, we waited for the major attractions like everyone else and saw a small group of FastPass users go in front of us from time to time. I opted not to use this feature because as you parents know, trying to plan a day with kids that age is a chore at best.

Last week (July 12, 2019) we went back and I was stunned at how different things were.

For starters it took an entire hour from the time we parked to get into the park. The outside ticket queue was very long and not all of the ticket windows were open. It was brutally hot and as we stood there people around us began to get dizzy and show the effects of standing in line for so long. One poor little girl got violently ill in line and it took a good 12 minutes or so for a staffer to clean it up.

Inside the park our experience went from bad to worse.

It became clear that Cast Members were operating under instructions to do everything they could to move FastPass holders through the lines quickly and ignore the huge number of "Standby" guests. "Standby" is just that now – you will stand by and watch dozens of people drift by as you stand still for 15 minutes or more at a stretch. At the Buzz Lightyear ride, I watched a CM let 72 FastPass people go by without letting a single Standby person in. When I asked what ratio he was using (he had a hand-counter) he said 10-1. Let that sink in for a minute... ten-to-one. And they would wait for FastPass guests too. At times the FastPass side of the queue would be completely empty for 5-7 minutes and still they would not allow any Standbys to pass.

Wait times became excruciating as the day progressed, reaching a conclusion at Space Mountain. One entire half of the final queue was 90% empty with the other completely full (pics below). When I asked a CM why the very long waits between Standbys being let through, he said "we're waiting for any FastPass holders that might come through.” I asked him what the ratio was supposed to be. He said "I'm not supposed to tell you that.. I can't give you that information.”

I kid you not, a Disney (Disney!) Cast Member gave me the Need-To-Know-Basis line.

After researching it a bit (because I had a lot of time on my hands in line) I discovered Disney gives first dibs on these to Disney Resort guests first – sometimes as much as 60 days in advance. It funnels down from there.

I don't fault the CMs. They’re just following direction and seems they have it hard enough if Abigail Disney's recent trip is any indication. And I don’t have any ill-will toward the FastPass users - hey it’s not their fault the park has changed up it’s crowd-control (let’s be honest: tracking) measures to completely favor them at the expense of everyone else.

Through the day I tried my best not to let it all get to me in the moment so it wouldn’t rub off on the kids. I wanted them to have positive memories despite the caste system we’d found ourselves at the bottom of in The Happiest Place On Earth.

I get it – Disney wants to "Maximize Customer Value" which is marketing jargon for getting guests to spend as much as possible at every turn through any means necessary.

But the effect, the experience in the “Magic” kingdom left me feeling like a swindled second-class citizen as I got on the monorail at the end of the day. A have-not in a place that’s charged me $117 a ticket to spend most of the day in line and fork-over $4.00 for a Coke. No FastPass? Sorry - you should have thought of that weeks ago or booked a room at one of our resorts for $500 a night. Now get in line chump.

The Mouse is still doing his best to cast a magical spell on it’s guests.

But these days it’s not your heart he wants to win over.

It’s your wallet.
 

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Stinger

Member
We were there at the end of May . (9th trip) Some of the lines you talk about have been like that way before the new fast pass system . The space MT queue is very long , there is know way you can expect the stand by and fast pass lines to match . If you use the app to your advantage and keep checking it I am sure you could have scored one or two fast passes . I was getting fast passes for frozen , flight of passage and navie river on the day of . These are tier 1 fast passes and very hard to come by . People are constantly changing there plans and you need to take advantage of that .
 

aaron611

New Member
Thanks for the correction - Wednesday was the 10th, not the 12th as I posted. And thanks for the observation - I really appreciate it. Yes July is probably the worst month to visit a place where you're guaranteed to stand in the Florida sun for a very, very long time. But the park did not used to be like this, even in July. I truly hope Disney finishes whatever tweaking they're doing and solves, according to many online accounts, an issue that has been around for about five years and continues to get worse. My soapbox aside, I'm glad you and your family had a great week and hope you have great visits in the years ahead. Thanks again palpluto.

I do sympathize with people who go to WDW and aren't aware of how to work the system. Simply put, if I didn't have fast passes I would not even go to WDW. It would be pointless.

We just got back from a week-long trip to WDW today and we made our FP picks 60 days ago. I always set the FP's for early in the morning so that I can keep getting more after we use them up. I was literally checking the app for new FP's 50 to 100 times each day we were there. As soon as we scan our magic bands in a FP entrance, I am immediately getting a FP for the next ride. My daughter and niece were sometimes in a completely different park and I would get a new FP for them and text it to them. We would sometimes use like 8-10 different FP's in a day.

So yeah, to maximize your experience, someone in your party needs to be compulsively wearing out the app ALL DAY LONG. :cool:
 

Stinger

Member
That is exactly what I do . As soon as a fast pass are scanned I'm on the app looking for the next one . By doing this you will get several in a day . Having a park hopper and being willing to switch parks also helps .
 

aaron611

New Member
That is exactly what I do . As soon as a fast pass are scanned I'm on the app looking for the next one . By doing this you will get several in a day . Having a park hopper and being willing to switch parks also helps .

Yeah, we go from one FP to the next all day long. I grab a FP for the ride I want and then update again and again until I get a more favorable (earlier) time.

The result is that we get off a ride and immediately go scan our magic bands at the next ride.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
 

DeanLogan

New Member
Original Poster
Argue that Disney should distribute less FastPasses, and make it more fair for those last minute visitors, but if your wait times matched what was posted the cast members were implementing the proper ratio.

What is your picture meant to illustrate? Unless they're letting ride vehicles go empty, it's common and reasonable to wait for Fastpass guests. They're supposed to have a minimal wait.
I'm fine with a reasonable wait, even with the FP factor. But these CMs were waiting for FP guests – not allowing any Standby guests to enter even when the FP queue was empty. The pics show the unused capacity at SM that could have been used for Standbys and still let FPs through.
 

Dave B

Well-Known Member
I can’t believe what’s happened to this place.

I've given myself time to cool down and get perspective on what was a surprisingly negative experience at WDW. It was so different from when I was there with my family in 2015 that I felt compelled to post about it. And to send a warning to parents who may not know about the "FastPass" system the park has.

Parents with small kids - read and take heed.

in 2015 my wife and 3 kids (all under 13) had a wonderful time at the park, even without using the FastPass feature. Yes, we waited for the major attractions like everyone else and saw a small group of FastPass users go in front of us from time to time. I opted not to use this feature because as you parents know, trying to plan a day with kids that age is a chore at best.

Last week (July 12, 2019) we went back and I was stunned at how different things were.

For starters it took an entire hour from the time we parked to get into the park. The outside ticket queue was very long and not all of the ticket windows were open. It was brutally hot and as we stood there people around us began to get dizzy and show the effects of standing in line for so long. One poor little girl got violently ill in line and it took a good 12 minutes or so for a staffer to clean it up.

Inside the park our experience went from bad to worse.

It became clear that Cast Members were operating under instructions to do everything they could to move FastPass holders through the lines quickly and ignore the huge number of "Standby" guests. "Standby" is just that now – you will stand by and watch dozens of people drift by as you stand still for 15 minutes or more at a stretch. At the Buzz Lightyear ride, I watched a CM let 72 FastPass people go by without letting a single Standby person in. When I asked what ratio he was using (he had a hand-counter) he said 10-1. Let that sink in for a minute... ten-to-one. And they would wait for FastPass guests too. At times the FastPass side of the queue would be completely empty for 5-7 minutes and still they would not allow any Standbys to pass.

Wait times became excruciating as the day progressed, reaching a conclusion at Space Mountain. One entire half of the final queue was 90% empty with the other completely full (pics below). When I asked a CM why the very long waits between Standbys being let through, he said "we're waiting for any FastPass holders that might come through.” I asked him what the ratio was supposed to be. He said "I'm not supposed to tell you that.. I can't give you that information.”

I kid you not, a Disney (Disney!) Cast Member gave me the Need-To-Know-Basis line.

After researching it a bit (because I had a lot of time on my hands in line) I discovered Disney gives first dibs on these to Disney Resort guests first – sometimes as much as 60 days in advance. It funnels down from there.

I don't fault the CMs. They’re just following direction and seems they have it hard enough if Abigail Disney's recent trip is any indication. And I don’t have any ill-will toward the FastPass users - hey it’s not their fault the park has changed up it’s crowd-control (let’s be honest: tracking) measures to completely favor them at the expense of everyone else.

Through the day I tried my best not to let it all get to me in the moment so it wouldn’t rub off on the kids. I wanted them to have positive memories despite the caste system we’d found ourselves at the bottom of in The Happiest Place On Earth.

I get it – Disney wants to "Maximize Customer Value" which is marketing jargon for getting guests to spend as much as possible at every turn through any means necessary.

But the effect, the experience in the “Magic” kingdom left me feeling like a swindled second-class citizen as I got on the monorail at the end of the day. A have-not in a place that’s charged me $117 a ticket to spend most of the day in line and fork-over $4.00 for a Coke. No FastPass? Sorry - you should have thought of that weeks ago or booked a room at one of our resorts for $500 a night. Now get in line chump.

The Mouse is still doing his best to cast a magical spell on it’s guests.

But these days it’s not your heart he wants to win over.

It’s your wallet.
KATIEBUG IS BACK, Uh No
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
I'm fine with a reasonable wait, even with the FP factor. But these CMs were waiting for FP guests – not allowing any Standby guests to enter even when the FP queue was empty. The pics show the unused capacity at SM that could have been used for Standbys and still let FPs through.

I still don't follow this logic. If they let more stand-by people into that extra space, the wait time for Fastpass users increases. They're running things exactly how they're supposed to.
 

meggo819

Well-Known Member
I still don't follow this logic. If they let more stand-by people into that extra space, the wait time for Fastpass users increases. They're running things exactly how they're supposed to.
I was thinking about that too. It really depends on the ride and where the FP line joins up with the regular line. For Space Mountain, I agree - if they let standby go into the FP side, there’s lots of room over there for the line to build up and get too long. But for a ride where the FP and standby lines basically meet right before boarding, I would be just as annoyed as the OP if they were waiting for FP holders.
 

Duckberg

Active Member
It sounds like excessive heat o_O and not being able to utilize the FP system :arghh: on this visit created a negative experience for your Family. Hope you can return to WDW on a future pre-planned visit using FP and have a wonderful time. Thank you for sharing
 

SKG

Member
I've been going to WDW every four or five years since 1981. There were long lines then and there are long lines now and will be long lines years from now. If you're not prepared for it when you get down there you're just not paying attention.
 

DeanLogan

New Member
Original Poster
I still don't follow this logic. If they let more stand-by people into that extra space, the wait time for Fastpass users increases. They're running things exactly how they're supposed to.
I would agree that we disagree. If you'll Google "Fastpass reviews" you'll see from the very polarized reviews that they way they're running things is in dire need of fixing.
 

KeithVH

Well-Known Member
So. IOW, the majority is good with the current state and the concept of waking up on your day off and deciding, at that time, to go to one of the parks is now an invalid way of thinking and those that do that should suffer consequences? That because you HAVE to plan, at least 30 days in advance, any trip in order to take advantage of the way TDO has decided to run things, and a few people know how to work that system, that the system is the best possible one?

Wow. I could go on but I can extrapolate where the conversation would go.
 

Queen of the WDW Scene

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
I'm confused.
FP+ with the 60 day window was in place in 2015 so that's nothing new.
Also who buys tickets at the ticket window anymore? Well I guess a lot of people if it was a long line but really?
I'm guessing you were an offsite guest? You could have still purchased your ticket and made FP+ selections 30 days prior.
To me making 3 FP's isn't really over planning or difficult with kids. If anything it takes some stress off because you know if nothing else you're doing those 3 things.
Heck you could have gotten FP's for many things the day of even. Like I'm going to AK on Tuesday and have 3 FP's for there and then going to MK in the afternoon and I'm sure I can pull at least 5 more by just going on the app and saying I want to go on Pirates right now and boom there's a FP for pirates starting in 5 minutes and then when I get off of that I bet I can easily get on for Jungle Cruise etc.
I've been going my whole life. I've seen too many changes to count and I have lived through them and come out the other side and for the most part am happy with Disney or I would not continue to go.

Key with any trip is to do a bit of research BEFORE you go vs during a line...

The only thing I can agree with you about is Space Mountain. I find that they rarely take people from the SB line over to the FP line even when the FP line is pretty much empty and the SB line is winding around every switch back. When I am in the FP line on SM I do always wonder why they don't let a few people in since I absolutely expect that even when in the FP line I will wait a few minutes and am completely willing to do so and SM is about the only attraction that I can practically run from the entrance of the building right onto the ride vehicle and never stop.
 
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Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
I would agree that we disagree. If you'll Google "Fastpass reviews" you'll see from the very polarized reviews that they way they're running things is in dire need of fixing.

You can make arguments on how to fix/improve the Fastpass system. I certainly have opinions on how I would change it were it up to me.

Your issue seems to be that you wanted the Space Mountain cast member to change the rules right then and there. Whether you love or loathe the current system, that's not remotely realistic.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
So. IOW, the majority is good with the current state and the concept of waking up on your day off and deciding, at that time, to go to one of the parks is now an invalid way of thinking and those that do that should suffer consequences? That because you HAVE to plan, at least 30 days in advance, any trip in order to take advantage of the way TDO has decided to run things, and a few people know how to work that system, that the system is the best possible one?

Wow. I could go on but I can extrapolate where the conversation would go.

I don't think it's necessarily that people all agree with the current state of things.

It's just that most people here know how Fastpass works, and don't completely agree with showing up the same day and then complaining about a fairly well-known aspect of visiting a WDW theme park.
 

KeithVH

Well-Known Member
I don't think it's necessarily that people all agree with the current state of things.

It's just that most people here know how Fastpass works, and don't completely agree with showing up the same day and then complaining about a fairly well-known aspect of visiting a WDW theme park.
Yeah, I do get it. I've been going since 1977 and done a lot of adapting over the years. If you don't stay informed, you're pretty much toast. And that's my problem. Why does it have to be that way? We, the consumer, have allowed Disney to dictate how we are expected to consume their product. Considering how much the cost of a visit has increased, you'd think we would have a bit more control/input over the experience.
 

DeanLogan

New Member
Original Poster
You can make arguments on how to fix/improve the Fastpass system. I certainly have opinions on how I would change it were it up to me.

Your issue seems to be that you wanted the Space Mountain cast member to change the rules right then and there. Whether you love or loathe the current system, that's not remotely realistic.
No. I do not expect a CM to change the rules right then and there. Nor am I focused just on Space Mountain. My point is that I believe the current FP/SB system is not a good one and Disney does a poor job of proactively educating everyone about how it functions. I believe if it were delivering on those two points effectively, you would not see the volume of negative comments/reviews that are online. And I certainly wouldn't have seen as many unhappy people in the park that day that, like me, were totally caught off-guard.
 

DeanLogan

New Member
Original Poster
I don't think it's necessarily that people all agree with the current state of things.

It's just that most people here know how Fastpass works, and don't completely agree with showing up the same day and then complaining about a fairly well-known aspect of visiting a WDW theme park.
I would contend that beyond forums like this, the FP system is not well-known or understood. "Here" is just that – a single forum that Disney doesn't even manage. I knew about the system when I went to TMK in 2015. Heck we even used it a couple times although it really didn't help us. This visit was identical in how we got our tickets (same day), where we were staying (off-site) and the time of year (mid-July). But the experience was completely different.
 

John park hopper

Well-Known Member
Not the Disney you remember from 4 years ago --how do you think we who have been going since 1972 feel. YEs it has changed in many respects not for the better --Sorry you had a bad time
 

DeanLogan

New Member
Original Poster
Yeah, I do get it. I've been going since 1977 and done a lot of adapting over the years. If you don't stay informed, you're pretty much toast. And that's my problem. Why does it have to be that way? We, the consumer, have allowed Disney to dictate how we are expected to consume their product. Considering how much the cost of a visit has increased, you'd think we would have a bit more control/input over the experience.
YES. This. The terms of how we, those paying large sums of money to Disney to visit the park, are becoming exceptionally prescriptive. The suggestions (all well-meaning mind you) I've gotten on this thread on how to go about using FB are remarkable in their complexity and strategy. 60 days. 30 days. Park Hopper. Refresh the app. Book a ride and immediately after getting in line refresh and try another attraction. Buy in advance and book. And so forth.

Everyone is trying to Game The System in one form or another.

Admirable, since that's the reality, but why does it have to be like that?
 

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