The Big Ol' Disney Movies Chart

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Welcome to the Big Ol' Disney Movies Chart!

We talk about Disney movies a lot here, especially how they related to the parks. These are the (in)famous IPs, that is, the pre-existing cinematic Intellectual Property, that get park-ified as attractions. Often, people wonder why a particular IP is chosen when they don't like it. Well, the data here is to remove one's personal subjective opinion, and to see things the way Disney sees it: namely, how the wider audience likes or doesn't like the IP and how well it did financially. (Disney also has data on how well the IP did after its theatrical release in DVDs, cable, broadcast and merchandise, all of which we don't see.) These stats are designed to give us all a common base of knowledge rather than suppositions.

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Disney Studios (Live Action)

 
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Explanation of Stats/Columns

Here is a sample chart...

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Critics Scores

First of all, all scores from all source are converted into a percentage scale (some number out of a hundred). So, if some site has a score of 3.6 out of 5, that becomes 72.

Rotten Tomatoes has several scores, with the most famous being the Tomatometer. To get that score, RT converts scores from critics to a 100 point scale. Any score that is 60 or higher is considered ‘fresh,’ that is, a positive score. A ‘thumbs up’ as it were. The Tomatometer then reports what percentage of reviews are ‘fresh.’

The Fresh score will tell you how many good reviews the movie got. Which, in some cases, can be misleading. For example, if a movie has a 100% Fresh rating, one would think that this is one of the best movies ever made. But that movie may have all of the critics’ ratings in the 60s and the movie is just OK, but certainly not great. A 100% simple means no critic hated it.

Or, a movie may have a 60% Fresh Rating and that may seem like it’s just OK, but the 60% of critics that gave it a Fresh rating gave it a 100 and the 40% that didn’t give it a Fresh rating gave it a 55. If you had averaged the actual scores from critics, then that would have been an average score of 82, which is very different than a Fresh score of 60%.

And so, in addition to the Fresh Score, I have the next column being the average of the critics’ actual scores, which is then also averaged with Metacritic.

Metacritic’s average critics’ score is a lot like RT’s, except Metacritic ‘weights’ the average to favor more established professional critics as opposed to just some guy with a website. Because of the more ‘established’ circle of critics having more weight, Metacritic scores can be off from RT’s in some ways. For example, Metacritic’s scores are often a few points below that of RT’s for super hero movies. A bit of a snobbery there against that genre. However, Pixar is the darling of critics, and so Metacritic’s scores wind up being usually a few points higher than RT’s. Anyways, there isn’t a significant difference overall, and so, I just average them together, which dilutes, but does not do away with the ‘weighting’ that Metacritic does.


Audience Scores

The next score is an average of audience scores, with ‘audience’ being the members of the RT and IMDB websites. Both sites allows its users to add their own rating of the movie. IMDB can sometimes have ten times the number of audience reviews, and so, when I average them, I weight the average based on number of reviews, which often moves the needle closer to IMDB’s score. Note that this is not a scientific polling and is just people self-selecting themselves. But given the large number of people that do so, it means that there’s a stable community of reviewers, who may not exactly represent all people, but it’s helpful to see the scores given in relation to other scores and compare the movies to one another that way.

The next score is the CinemaScore, which comes from a scientific random-selection polling of the audience that saw the movie in its opening weekend. CinemaScores tend to be high because, presumably, the opening night audience pretty much knows what they’re going to get and are receptive to it. This is especially true for genre movies or franchises. People who like horror movies go to the opening night show and rate the movie higher than what a general audience would precisely because they like horror movies. The same with super hero movies, and princess movies, and Pirates of the Caribbean movies, etc…

And so, it is expected that the movie will be an A or A+. If it’s A-, then there’s some issues there. If it’s B+, it’s polarizing. If it’s a B or below… ouch.

Although, that’s not set in stone. Sometimes the opening night crowd is the ‘wrong’ crowd because they didn’t know what they were expecting. For example, The Nightmare Before Christmas got a B+ from that opening night audience. Not the best score. However, the overall critical and audience score was very high. It’s just that the opening night crowd got something they didn’t know what to do with.

CinemaScores are usually scarily accurate in predicting overall Box Office intake for a movie because they ask about whether people will recommend the movie to a friend. E.g., a movie with an A+ can expect to make about 4.8 times the opening weekend BO take. An A-, 3.6 times. But a C, only 2.5 times.

In order to see the scores and have the very good and the very bad pop out, I color coded them...

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Box Office and Profit

First of all, no attempt was made at accounting for inflation… which is a double-edged sword. An old movie that ‘only’ made $2 million dollars may be comparable in today’s dollars as a $100 million profit; but likewise, a $2 million dollar loss would be a $100 million loss today.

Box Office numbers are for a movie’s initial theatrical run. Some movies were rereleased to theaters (sometimes several times) and if you look up the numbers at Box Office Mojo, you’ll see just how profitable they were. But the reality is that they may also have been at a loss when first released. The famous example of that is Pinocchio whose lifetime BO is $43 million. However, it took in only $2 million in its first release and was considered a financial loss for Disney of $1 million.

Re-releasing a movie was common before TV, VHS, cable, and streaming. It was the theatrical version of a rerun. But again, my charts only reflect the initial release (as far as I could tell) and not any re-releases or any after market.

Because I’m not considering the after market, or the ‘post-theatrical window’, the true value of the movie is skewed since some movies create a lot of revenue for its owner after the initial release.

This is important to remember because of what gets called a ‘flop.’ Generally, it means it caused a financial loss to the movie’s owner during its theatrical window without taking into consideration the post-theatrical market. This often gets people confused when a movie has a large BO take, but still gets called a flop. And the main reason that happens is because the movie also had a high budget which was higher than the BO take. People don’t necessarily mean the movie was a failure critically or with audiences or with a post-theatrical window, they just mean that in its initial release, the movie didn’t make a profit.

Another confusing thing is that there are hidden budget items. When a movie’s budget is revealed (Wikipedia will tell you), that’s the cost of production, i.e., the actual filming and actors’ salaries. But then there are other costs such as advertising and post-production administration. In general, as a ballpark figure, the extra hidden costs are about half of the production budget. So, if you see that the production budget was $100 million, the actual cost to the studio is $150 million.

Then there is the Box Office figure. That’s the cost of tickets sold. But, the production company shares that figure with the theaters. In the U.S., the production company winds up with a little more than 50%. It used to be that the production company would get a much larger cut in the first few weeks and then lesser as the movie ran in theaters, but that practice is pretty much gone now (please check with current industry websites that are up to date before you try to argue that with me… thanks!). Overseas, studios get less than 50% of the BO take. So, as a ballpark figure, I split the difference and use 50% of BO going to the studio.

So in order to figure out profitability for the studio, you take the BO, divide it by 2, and then subtract one and a half the production budget. Again, that’s just a ballpark figure, but, it’s one industry journalists use. So if a movie made or lost about $10 million, it can pretty much be called breaking even, since the numbers aren’t exact. In other words, don’t point to a $2 million dollar loss (for a modern movie) and call it a flop. It’s +/- about $10 million.

The ROI is Returns on Investment comparing the cost of the movie to how much actual profit was made once you get your money back. If you had a few million dollars and wanted to invest in ‘the biz’, which studio would you risk your money on?
  • Perhaps you have a soft spot for Disney Films? Since 2010, their ROI is… a 13% loss.
  • OK, how about Disney Animation? Since 1990… 21% return.
  • Pixar then? A respectable 44%.
  • OK, then, well Marvel has billion dollar films so how about them? Well Marvel also has $200 million dollar budgets, so, only 51%.
  • But can one do better? Fox/Blue Sky Animation’s ROI is 78%. And that’s the power of low budgets. The Ice Age franchise is 150%.
Each section will usually total and average the important figures.
 
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So, let's start with the star studio that generates movies loved by critics, and audiences, and are quite profitable... Pixar.

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A lesson we can see here is how a stinker in a franchise more often than not hurts the BO of the movie that follows it. Cars 2 was widely panned, and yet took in half a billion dollars. So, when Cars 3 came out, a better movie than C2, it did worse at the BO, which is almost certainly attributable to C2 souring the audience.
 
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Let's look at another successful studio, Marvel and it's Marvel Cinematic Universe...

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Note that the two Spider-Man movies are in conjunction with Sony.

Also note that Iron Man 1 and The Incredible Hulk were produced by Marvel before they were acquired by Disney.
 
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Speaking of Spider-Man, the rights to him and his film family are still licensed to Sony. The last two Tom Holland Spider-Man movies are made in conjunction with Disney's Marvel and Sony. The previous Spider-Man movies (with Maguire and Garfield) and the extended Spider-Man family movies (Spider-Verse, Venom, Morbius, etc...) are all Sony. But, let's see how they compare...

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Spider-Verse is still in theaters. Its last market release date is Mar 8, so, it's still making money.
 
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Still on Marvel: Before the Disney acquisition, Marvel licensed its characters out to other studios, mostly Fox. And guess who now owns Fox? Obviously the Fox ones Disney now owns and may see them making a home on Hulu. Don't know about the other ones.

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Note that rather then list them by release date, I grouped them by franchise. This enables one to see that the X-Men franchise did fairly well and the Fantastic Four was awful. I also separated out the total and average stats of the X-Men franchise.
 
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This isn't Disney, but, to gauge how the MCU is doing compared to, I don't know, the DCEU, well, here it is...

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Here are interesting cases of a mismatch of ratings and Box Office... including the audience rating.
 
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Ah, now the ones to love to hate to love to hate... Star Wars!

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Solo didn't get too bad of scores, but for a whopping budget of $287 million, it needed, $861 in BO just to break even.

The "The Last Jedi" scores may surprise some given a very vocal opposition by some. It had an excellent critical score and big BO. The opening night audience gave it a CinemaScore of A. The audience score is low, but still in a 'good' range. Some tried to bomb that score on Rotten Tomatoes, but, since it's weighted-averaged with the IMDB user score, which has twice as many reviews... it looks fine. The case that "everyone hates it" is at the very least... overstated.

Comparing the old LucasFilm Star Wars with the new Disney/LucasFilm Star Wars, we see comparable average ratings. Disney's profits would be much higher if they could reign in the budget. OTOH, there's a lot to be made in the aftermarket.
 
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Moving on to the newest acquisition, Fox.

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These are Fox, Fox 2000, and Fox Searchlight films coming out in 2019. These are the movies that Disney is hoping will bring them Film-Award Prestige.

The KidWWBK, and Alita are still going to be opening in foreign markets for a while.
 
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Fox also has an animation department. First doing it on their own, then buying Blue Sky Studios to do it for them. And now... all owned by Disney...

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Is Anastasia a Disney princess now? ;)

I grouped the Ice Age franchise together and gave them their own totals. Note the decreasing ratings with each movie. It wasn't until #5 that audiences finally caught wise, and yet it still made money. That is the power of a low budget. As we shall see, a Disney Animation film costs on average an extra $50 million. That means a Disney Animation needs to make an extra $150 million BO to do as well as a Blue Sky film.

It is unknown what Disney is going to do with Blue Sky. It has three films set for release still.
 
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And now the crown jewel of Disney... its feature animation studio.

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The list is broken up because it's long. Also, because the stats from long ago are shaky and sometimes missing.

The grey box numbers are best guesses from articles on how Disney did during the war years.
 
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And the rest of Disney Animation to the present...

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Ralph is still playing in some foreign markets. It's now within the margin of error to be categorized as 'breaking even.'

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The total and averages of stats for Disney since 1990 and for all time aren't that much different. The older movies had much smaller numbers to make an impact.
 
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There are other Disney Animated films, but they weren't made solely in-house, they were co-produced...

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Here's what I mentioned above with regard to TNBChristmas' CinemaScore. That B+ meant that the opening night audience was divided on what they saw. And yet, critics and eventually the full audience gave it a much higher score. I guess there were a lot of people not knowing what they were getting into: a dark, Christmas, puppet, musical -- why would that surprise anyone?! :)
 
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And now we get to Disney Studios, the live-action (and sometimes hybrid, and more recently, almost all CGI) films. I did not include any specialty films: no documentaries, concert films, made for a foreign market, DisneyNature, limited release, etc... Just the major theatrical releases for the U.S. and internationally.

I'm going to break them them up by decades because the list is so long and because data for the older films are scarce.

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So we see big historical films. They didn't do too well, so Disney stopped that.

If they stopped doing all genres they [Disney Studios] fail at, they wouldn't be doing any movies at all! (sick burn)
 
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Note also that we get data from some films but not others. And it seems that's because there were two tiers of movies: major, wide-release movies like Poppins. And smaller, limited-release movies, like almost everything else.

Those smaller movies were generally aimed at children... not the family, children. They maybe would have worked on a Disney Kidz channel, but not for movie theaters. But, this was the time before TV and dedicated children's channels and made-for-TV movies. And so... all that drek wound up in theaters. Those kiddie movies generally weren't tracked by the industry trades for how well they did.


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The 60's was busy for the studio. Did you know there was a sequel to Old Yeller? Me neither.

Note how hilarious it is when an animal dresses like people and does people things.
 
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Less movies made in the 70s.

By now one should see a pattern (if you're familiar with these movies) of using the same set of actors. There's the Fred MacMurray films, the Kurt Russell films, the Don Knotts films, the Johnny Whitaker films, the Jodi Foster films, etc...

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Also note a large number of sequels. Did you know there were four Herbie movies? (And a made-for-TV movie and a reboot?)

I'm sure a lot of our forum members have fond childhood memories of these movies from the 70s-90s. One should test that nostalgia by watching it again as an adult... (Xanadu was ruined for me by doing that.)
 
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In the 80's the number of movies is cut back considerably. And a new creature arises... the co-produced film...

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Just look how many movies made a profit in the 80s... just one. (Although, it could be more... missing data... anyone know the budget for Herbie Goes Bananas? Maybe it made Disney millions! Probably not.)

Also look how dismal most of the ratings are.
 
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So, if your movies are getting bad reviews and aren't making money, what do you do? Well, make as many more as you can!!...

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Ah, we've reached the age of when CinemaScore started keeping score.

Look at the critics' scores. So, either Disney was making really horrible movies, or, Disney killed all the family members of all the critics and they are taking revenge.

Notice the proliferation of co-producers. Now, some of them are production companies... they make films. So, who really made the film, Disney or the production company? Was it a joint effort or was Disney just commissioning these movies?

Also, as we will see, more and more of the named producers are either bank-rollers (they provide the money as an investment), or they're the director who created a company on the books so that they can get listed as a co-producer. I feel sorry for the investors.
 
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If at first you don't succeed, try again and again for over four decades...

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So, lots of duds there, but, for the decade there's an overall profit thanks to the likes of: High School Musical, Hannah Montana, Narnia, and Pirates.

Here's a puzzler: With so many of these movies being a financial flop and so many sequels being made... why didn't Disney follow up with the successful franchise of National Treasure? Two movies in a row that made a profit. Why stop?
 
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Did I create this thread just to disparage Disney Studios?

I might have.

Though, they don't need help from me...

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Mary Poppins Returns looks like it will have lost money in the theatrical window. But I'm sure it will have a profitable aftermarket.

If you look at which movies made the big profits in this decade (Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella), then you know why Disney is making a live adaptation of all their animated films.
 
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