Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[Darkbeer1]

So Lisa and I were talking this evening while driving to Naugles in Stanton to pick up dinner.

Our 11th Anniversary is coming up on January 9th.

She brought up heading to a casino for a full service, dine in experience. That started the wheels spinning, she also had mentioned she would love to ride Silver Bullet, which we normally do every year, just like our wedding day.

So where can we ride roller coasters? The closest is Las Vegas, but the Big Apple is closed for a major refurb including new trains! And does it need it!!! Desperado at Primm is also closed. But the Adventuredome at Circus Circus is OPEN!!!! That is Two Roller Coasters.

Anyways, when we got home, started to search Hotel Rates. A basic Room at Circus Circus is $15 per night (Check in on January 8th, check out on the 10th). But there is a resort fee of about $37 per night. (And basically every Hotel in Vegas charges a resort fee around $40 per night).

So I looked at other options, ended up at the Flamingo, total including resort fees and taxes for 2 nights is $193. I think I can get it comped tomorrow with a phone call.

Opting to drive, flights started around $80 roundtrip. We are at a Monorail Stop, so hopefully walking, or Lisa walking and I will take my ECV and UpWalker.

There is a KISS Mini Golf at the Rio (now reopened), Twilight Zone Mini Golf at Bally's, Fly LINQ and/or Fly Fremont (The Rio one is closed), riding the High Roller Giant Wheel. Visiting the Pinball Museum, The Circus Circus Arcade and free Circus Acts are open. The Show options are slim. Tape Face is performing, so is Rich Little, plus a couple of Magicians. Lisa gets the decision. I looked at EXTRAVAGANZA, but dark that week, would have been my first choice. And I will try to talk Lisa into SkyJump.



Will wear masks when around other folks, social distance, and wash our hands/sanitize, etc..

 

[CaptinEO]

A few years back we walked into circus circus to check it out. The second we entered, an employee offered us 4 nights for 100 bucks for any dates that year. I told him we wanted to look around the place as we had never seen it before, when I said that he upped the offer to 5 nights.

I'm glad I refused. The whole place is like an abandonned, dirty, rundown 90s recreation center. Carpets looked like they hadn't been replaced in 30 years.

 

[unmitigated disaster]

This chart shows how 4 of the wealthiest men in the US got $229 billion richer in 2020

In a year when unemployment skyrocketed and food insecurity ballooned, the four richest men in the US got a lot richer.

www.businessinsider.com

Amazon and Walmart have raked in billions in additional profits during the pandemic, and shared almost none of it with their workers

The COVID-19 pandemic has generated record profits for America’s biggest companies, as well as immense wealth for their founders and largest shareholders—but next to nothing for workers.

www.brookings.edu

Big-Box Retailers’ Profits Surge as Pandemic Marches On (Published 2020)

Walmart and Target reported record sales in the second quarter, driven by the convenience of one-stop shopping and their e-commerce operations.

www.nytimes.com

Big corporations are not hurting, they're thriving.

They are taking advantage. They are not causing 1.7 million deaths world-wide. So far.

 

[castleparker]

Big corporations are not hurting, they're thriving.

These are all retail businesses. If these large corporations are responsible for the shutdown there are more of them being absolutely devastated to only benefit retail. Following your line of logic Hollywood, which in this scenario should hold way more sway over the California politicians than retail, would be thriving, no? They just shut production down again today. There are many other industries in California that are seeing a massive loss in revenue, such as restaurants and theme parks. If big corporations are to blame for this, than there are way more of them hurting than thriving. So, no. That's not the reason.

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

They are taking advantage. They are not causing 1.7 million deaths world-wide. So far.

People losing their livelihoods because they were forced to close their business, skyrocketing cases of depression and suicide... Are you ok with these things?

1.7 million deaths worldwide is nothing. 1.35 million die from car accident every year, so unless you’re calling for a ban on automobiles, I don’t want to hear a defense of economic shut downs which are just as deadly in their own right.

If reopening the state to full capacity saves just one life, it’s worth it.

 

[el_super]

If reopening the state to full capacity saves just one life, it’s worth it.

I would agree in principle, but the evidence shows that reopening now would results in thousands of needless deaths, not just from COVID, but any malady that could require hospital capacity that isn't available.

If keeping the restrictions saves just one life, is it worth it?

 

[unmitigated disaster]

I would agree in principle, but the evidence shows that reopening now would results in thousands of needless deaths, not just from COVID, but any malady that could require hospital capacity that isn't available.

If keeping the restrictions saves just one life, is it worth it?

Clearly not, as the majority dying in the US are the elderly and minorities. Who cares about them?

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

If keeping the restrictions saves just one life, is it worth it?

Nope.

Florida's open and doing great. California's locked down and has some of the worst increase in cases in the country. People will die regardless so let the people make decisions for themselves. Unless you're also calling for the banning of all automobile traffic due to the 1 million+ who die worldwide every year from car accidents, there's no logical reason to want a lockdown for Covid.

 

[el_super]

Nope.

Florida's open and doing great. California's locked down and has some of the worst increase in cases in the country. People will die regardless so let the people make decisions for themselves. Unless you're also calling for the banning of all automobile traffic due to the 1 million+ who die worldwide every year from car accidents, there's no logical reason to want a lockdown for Covid.

What a silly thing to suggest. Are you also against any kind of public health laws or any laws in general?

For what it's worth, the people in California did make a decision, and their decision was to allow our health officers to shut down things that aren't safe.

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

What a silly thing to suggest. Are you also against any kind of public health laws or any laws in general?

For what it's worth, the people in California did make a decision, and their decision was to allow our health officers to shut down things that aren't safe.

Why is locking down the highways to prevent car accidents and climate change any less silly than shutting down people's businesses because of a virus with a 99% survival rate?

 

[el_super]

Why is locking down the highways to prevent car accidents and climate change any less silly than shutting down people's businesses because of a virus with a 99% survival rate?

When was the last time the ICU in Southern California was completely full of car accident victims?

So are you against any kind of public health law?

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

When was the last time the ICU in Southern California was completely full of car accident victims?

You're telling me ICUs are full despite lockdown measures? Sounds like they don't work.

So are you against any kind of public health law?

 

[el_super]

You're telling me ICUs are full despite lockdown measures? Sounds like they don't work.

ICUs have been filling up with people who have been sick for two weeks or more. Since the lockdown went into effect three weeks ago, we are just now starting to see declines in hospitalizations. So yes, they are working. If you don't agree with public health laws, you are free to go find some other civil society to participate in.

At this point, it's pretty clear there isn't going to be some lawsuit or challenge to the laws as some here suggested Disney would do. Disneyland is going to be closed until the pandemic is under control either via social mitigation efforts or a vaccine.

To quote someone who used to be relevant, "it is what it is."

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

ICUs have been filling up with people who have been sick for two weeks or more. Since the lockdown went into effect three weeks ago, we are just now starting to see declines in hospitalizations. So yes, they are working. If you don't agree with public health laws, you are free to go find some other civil society to participate in.

At this point, it's pretty clear there isn't going to be some lawsuit or challenge to the laws as some here suggested Disney would do. Disneyland is going to be closed until the pandemic is under control either via social mitigation efforts or a vaccine.

To quote someone who used to be relevant, "it is what it is."

I guess it'll never open again.

 

[castleparker]

99% survival rate

I'm sure you have heard this before but even 1% would be 3 million Americans dead, which I'm guessing your ok with. But hey gotta make a buck right? It's the American way.

 

[SouthernFriedFreedom]

I'm sure you have heard this before but even 1% would be 3 million Americans dead, which I'm guessing your ok with. But hey gotta make a buck right? It's the American way.

That's not how statistics work. 100% of Americans are not going to catch the scary virus even if everything was open at full capacity. Do you really think 1% of FL's population is dead? Or 1% of Texans are dead? You have a 0.97% chance of dying in a car crash. Do you think just under 3 million Americans die from car accidents every year?

 

[Mac Tonight]

 

[castleparker]

That's not how statistics work. 100% of Americans are not going to catch the scary virus even if everything was open at full capacity. Do you really think 1% of FL's population is dead? Or 1% of Texans are dead? You have a 0.97% chance of dying in a car crash. Do you think just under 3 million Americans die from car accidents every year?

If herd immunity is the goal, which certainly was pushed by certain politicians, then yes millions of Americans will die. The survival chance also changes depending on age, so even if you and me have a "99%" not every one does. It's hard to justify anything on that amount of deaths. However, these current lockdowns are ineffective, that I will give you. Though the answer is not to open everything. Just as the answer is not in closing everything down with no assistance. But I do not support those in our government who are flat out refusing to help the people they are supposed to serve. However, that is another topic entirely.

 

[TP2000]

I'm sure you have heard this before but even 1% would be 3 million Americans dead, which I'm guessing your ok with. But hey gotta make a buck right? It's the American way.

Since the USA is a capitalist free-market society and money doesn't grow on trees, yes we all need to keep making a buck. Or else we starve and lose our homes.

The Covid-19 survival rates, per the CDC, of anyone who gets it are currently the following in the USA;

Age 0-19 = 99.997%
Age 20-49 = 99.98%
Age 50-69 = 99.5%
Age 70-105 = 94.6%

But the age breakdown creates a big difference in the amount of people who could die from Covid, since there are less old people because old people often die. (Sad, but true. All humans die, especially when they get old.) There are approximately 335 Million people living in the USA in 2020.

Age 0-19 = 81 Million
Age 20-49 = 139 Million
Age 50-69 = 80 Million
Age 70-105 = 35 Million

So, if you assume that every single living American will get Covid, and then survive or die from it based on the Science & Data that the survival rates show, you'd get the following death toll.

Age 0-19 = 2,430 Deaths
Age 20-49 = 28,000 Deaths
Age 50-69 = 400,000 Deaths
Age 70-105 = 1,890,000 Deaths

The grand total if every single American caught Covid and then died or survived is 2,320,430. As per usual with Covid, the vast majority of deaths are over the age of 70. The average life expectancy in the USA is 78 years.

Once you hit 78, if you are still alive, you are living on borrowed time. Old humans die at much higher rates than young humans. Around 3 Million Americans drop dead every year.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

TP, stop spitting out numbers and reason while the shut it downers are trying to dehumanize you for your beliefs.