Star Wars: The Acolyte

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I guess you missed my reply.
You're right, they did not intend to create content with limited appeal.

Doesn't matter to me.

For the record, I really like "Big Shot" , a D+ series Iger removed.
It was about a all girl basket ball team and I am not even a basketball fan. I just like the premise and I like whats his name from Full House, and the series hooked me.
View attachment 792629

I also like the D+ series, The Mighty Ducks, also cancelled by Iger.

Iger keeps cancelling series that were written for me.

We enjoyed big shot too…and it would be getting a bump today with all the women’s basketball attention.

But it doesn’t fit Bob’s rigid belief in his own failings

 

[BrianLo]

None of this addresses the question I asked. In what way is The Acolyte “knowingly created with limited appeal”?

I think the actual veiled complaint is that they are trying to make Star Wars 4 quad and the original material really wasn’t. It was made for 9yo boys. Subsequently aged up with them.

Episode 1 reset its age demographic again to 9 year olds to try and onboard the next generation.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think the actual veiled complaint is that they are trying to make Star Wars 4 quad and the original material really wasn’t. It was made for 9yo boys. Subsequently aged up with them.

Episode 1 reset its age demographic again to 9 year olds to try and onboard the next generation.

Not surprisingly…I reject this one.

Sure it hit with 9 year olds and that was a lot of the commercial draw…but the final products they filmed and cut managed to not really treat anyone in the audience like an idiot. That’s the foundation of the franchise. It ended up being fun for all ages.

It’s what is rejected by both George in his cgi period and Disney at present.

Maybe it was lighting in a bottle?

If you have access to peacock…I highly recommend you watch Icons: Star Wars…it really has a no nonsense history of it.

 

[BrianLo]

Not surprisingly…I reject this one.

Sure it hit with 9 year olds and that was a lot of the commercial draw…but the final products they filmed and cut managed to not really treat anyone in the audience like an idiot. That’s the foundation of the franchise. It ended up being fun for all ages.

It’s what is rejected by both George in his cgi period and Disney at present.

Maybe it was lighting in a bottle?

If you have access to peacock…I highly recommend you watch Icons: Star Wars…it really has a no nonsense history of it.

So in what way is Acolyte less appealing then for a broader audience? I tried to provide a plausible alternative that it has tried to change its demographic by going broader.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So in what way is Acolyte less appealing then for a broader audience? I tried to provide a plausible alternative that it has tried to change its demographic by going broader.

So far it isn’t…but Disney is suffering from a huge credibility problem with fans due to missteps and that means they’re gonna meet resistance with everything. Fair or not…they own that

I think the undercurrent that drives the toxicity is while we understand that they are trying to get more slices of the “demographic pie”…which makes sense…the arrogance of their approach was specifically combative to one demographic in particular. That was a mistake and they are Losing that game

 

[BrianLo]

So far it isn’t…but Disney is suffering from a huge credibility problem with fans due to missteps and that means they’re gonna meet resistance with everything. Fair or not…they own that

I think the undercurrent that drives the toxicity is while we understand that they are trying to get more slices of the “demographic pie”…which makes sense…the arrogance of their approach was specifically combative to one demographic in particular. That was a mistake and they are Losing that game

I agree a lot with this. I think the presumption was Acolyte was about to become that call to action. It actually hasn’t been. Some of assumptions about the series are simply from corners that are still operating on that false prediction.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree a lot with this. I think the presumption was Acolyte was about to become that call to action. It actually hasn’t been. Some of assumptions about the series are simply from corners that are still operating on that false prediction.

I’ve been pleasantly surprised so far…

But the stink of it is a sense of dread every Tuesday…

Not excitement like GOT before they gave up and it blew.

That’s Disney’s Star Wars problem. Big fans don’t trust them. So they don’t drive the buzz/excitement and that means it’s doesn’t “drag along” casual watchers with them. No media coverage…no “resonance” in pop culture

 

[doctornick]

I agree a lot with this. I think the presumption was Acolyte was about to become that call to action. It actually hasn’t been. Some of assumptions about the series are simply from corners that are still operating on that false prediction.

Yes, this. I've never seen anything in the advertising or the actual show content that suggests The Acolyte is anything but broad inoffensive four quadrant content. It's kind of mediocre - so it might not have broad appeal for quality reasons - but there's no particular messaging or gearing to limited audiences that I can tell.

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

Even when they tried to give fans what they wanted with Kenobi and BoBF, they ended up fumbling it

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

For anyone who still wants to deny that review bombing takes place, here's some more info.

Possibly according to SFFGazette as it has been revealed completely separate works with very similar titles are suddenly being inundated with plenty of bad reviews many years later.

The outlet indicates the 2008 Australian horror film “Acolytes”, a film which generally had poor reviews anyway, has suddenly seen its audience score fall even further due to an influx of 1-star reviews calling the Joel Edgerton and Michael Dorman-led feature an “affront to Star Wars”.

The critical aggregate site has cleaned up that film’s section, purging those reviews, but screen caps of the reviews remain up on X. A “Star Wars” fan film from 2022 titled “The Acolyte: A Star Wars Fan Film” has also reportedly seen a surge of 1-star reviews.

"Acolyte" Bad Reviews Target Wrong Films - Dark Horizons

New “Star Wars” series “The Acolyte” sits at 84% positive amongst critics on Rotten Tomatoes, and at a disastrously low 15% with audiences. The story is similar on IMDb where 47,000 votes have resulted in a 3.6/10 score with 54.8% of those votes being a 1/10 score. The most recent episode in...

www.darkhorizons.com

 

[Willmark]

Let’s assume that at least some part of the negative reaction to the Acolyte is indeed accurate. In so much that it varies from outright review bombing to people dissatisfied with Disney SW and all points in between.

So what?

That’s the wrong question. The question isn’t it’s happening, but why. The right question is why are the fans doing this? “Because they aren’t real fans” isn’t an answer.

Disney went one direction starting with TLJ and continued it in the Acolyte.

I’ve heard it around here, “fans don’t know what they want from SW.”

Yes they do and have, they want this:



Not this:


Just a hunch.

 

[Willmark]

And as a follow up. I’m sure there are folks who like the acolyte and that scene just fine. That’s also not the issue at hand.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Let’s assume that at least some part of the negative reaction to the Acolyte is indeed accurate. In so much that it varies from outright review bombing to people dissatisfied with Disney SW and all points in between.

So what?

That’s the wrong question. The question isn’t it’s happening, but why. The right question is why are the fans doing this? “Because they aren’t real fans” isn’t an answer.

Disney went one direction starting with TLJ and continued it in the Acolyte.

I’ve heard it around here, “fans don’t know what they want from SW.”

Yes they do and have, they want this:

Not this:

Just a hunch.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

These arguments that there is an example that demonstrates exactly what all fans want is absurd.

The Luke scene was a cool fan pleasing moment but do all fans want nothing but nostalgic references? The Force Awakens was well liked but also criticized for being a loose rehash of the original movie.

Andor was well received because it took a different approach to Star Wars. It looked at things from different perspectives. It wasn't for everyone and that's fine. Obi-Wan was more of a fan service project that put Kenobi up against Vader again.

Variety is good. Not all fans want Star Wars to just rehash the original trilogy over and over.

 

[Willmark]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

These arguments that there is an example that demonstrates exactly what all fans want is absurd.

The Luke scene was a cool fan pleasing moment but do all fans want nothing but nostalgic references? The Force Awakens was well liked but also criticized for being a loose rehash of the original movie.

Andor was well received because it took a different approach to Star Wars. It looked at things from different perspectives. It wasn't for everyone and that's fine. Obi-Wan was more of a fan service project that put Kenobi up against Vader again.

Variety is good. Not all fans want Star Wars to just rehash the original trilogy over and over.

As to the bold? I agree and you’re the one who did it.

Where did I say “exactly what ALL fans want”?

I’ll wait where you point out that I said that.

I’m countering the notion of “fans can’t articulate what they want.” Sure they can.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

More people reading articles and talking about evil review bombing than watching and talking about the show.

 

[Disney Irish]

For anyone who still wants to deny that review bombing takes place, here's some more info.

"Acolyte" Bad Reviews Target Wrong Films - Dark Horizons

New “Star Wars” series “The Acolyte” sits at 84% positive amongst critics on Rotten Tomatoes, and at a disastrously low 15% with audiences. The story is similar on IMDb where 47,000 votes have resulted in a 3.6/10 score with 54.8% of those votes being a 1/10 score. The most recent episode in...

www.darkhorizons.com

Yep, I brought this up in the Spoiler thread, its happening but some will still deny it.

 

[FettFan]

Never before would I have guessed that Waru would be replaced as the dumbest thing to ever happen in Star Wars.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

As to the bold? I agree and you’re the one who did it.

Where did I say “exactly what ALL fans want”?

I’ll wait where you point out that I said that.

I’m countering the notion of “fans can’t articulate what they want.” Sure they can.

The part where you said fans want this but not this other thing?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yep, I brought this up in the Spoiler thread, its happening but some will still deny it.

Damn…and I thought the hate cult was busy tanking the marvels Blu-ray sales!!

Damn you, hate cult!! You’re everywhere

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

.
I’m countering the notion of “fans can’t articulate what they want.” Sure they can.

Ok…I’ll take a shot:

What is “a thought out beginning, middle and end to the story and one or two characters that make you cheer.”, Alex?