Star Wars: The Acolyte

[mysto]

It's not that fans don't want to like SW. It's that there is a very narrow spectrum of material that they would like. And if something doesn't fit that spectrum, they hate it.

Our tantrum will continue until they release an unaltered OT. It's the only thing they can release that will be fully accepted. Once we're past that we'll see.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's not that fans don't want to like SW. It's that there is a very narrow spectrum of material that they would like. And if something doesn't fit that spectrum, they hate it.

Hmmmm…perhaps

I just seem to remember people SUCKING up everything Star Wars for bout 20 years

Today, games, books, then all the same things released AGAIN.

We weren’t that picky…it was when 6 of 9 anthology movies looked clueless that things started to twist hard.

Gotta diagnose the problem.

But the internet has changed the world and not really for the better.

Everyone liked return of the Jedi. It was fun…it delivered the payoff…it closed the arc. It has the most “Star Wars” feel that endured. Flaws aside.

What has happened for 25 years? It’s bashed by self appointed critics. Revisionist history in the highest.

Mankind is not really impressing me.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Our tantrum will continue until they release an unaltered OT. It's the only thing they can release that will be fully accepted. Once we're past that we'll see.

Ehhh…I like the non-specialized too…but they won’t do it while George is kicking. They need the sacred cow.

The end sequence of empire was the big foul there.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s always the same thing: Disney is incapable of making crap…therefore small number of trolls and bigots flood the zone and take over the internet

Meanwhile…the “silent majority” loves all this steaming stuff…like the last Jedi

…you’ll just never know cause they say nothing…remember nothing…buy no product…etc etc etc

Isn't it possible that all points can be true and aren't mutually exclusive?

That yes Disney does make some crap (not identifying which here).
That there are pockets of the internet that flood the conversation for whatever reason.
That there is a majority in the general population that likes or at least accepts the Disney SW content overall but just aren't getting on the internet and spewing positive reviews to drown out the negativity.

And not for nothing, but this is sort begs the question, why do I see a constant stream of guests buying merch in GE at DL if so many in the general population don't like or care about Disney SW. I mean I guess they could all just be OT fans buying only OT merch, but they still have to visit said land to do that. And then if that was the case Disney would know for sure the general public only wants OT content, which doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Isn't it possible that all points can be true and aren't mutually exclusive?

That yes Disney does make some crap (not identifying which here).
That there are pockets of the internet that flood the conversation for whatever reason.
That there is a majority in the general population that likes or at least accepts the Disney SW content overall but just aren't getting on the internet and spewing positive reviews to drown out the negativity.

And not for nothing, but this is sort begs the question, why do I see a constant stream of guests buying merch in GE at DL if so many in the general population don't like or care about Disney SW. I mean I guess they could all just be OT fans buying only OT merch, but they still have to visit said land to do that. And then if that was the case Disney would know for sure the general public only wants OT content, which doesn't seem to be the case.

People are still into this obsessive gatekeeping and insistence that their opinion is absolute.

Still insisting that no one liked Last Jedi despite a pretty obvious split down the middle.

Insisting the franchise is dead and no one likes it. I guess millions of people are watching the Acolyte to self punish?

Immediately latching onto that one Starcruiser review video as if one negative opinion is suddenly the definitive assessment of it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Isn't it possible that all points can be true and aren't mutually exclusive?

That yes Disney does make some crap (not identifying which here).
That there are pockets of the internet that flood the conversation for whatever reason.
That there is a majority in the general population that likes or at least accepts the Disney SW content overall but just aren't getting on the internet and spewing positive reviews to drown out the negativity.

And not for nothing, but this is sort begs the question, why do I see a constant stream of guests buying merch in GE at DL if so many in the general population don't like or care about Disney SW. I mean I guess they could all just be OT fans buying only OT merch, but they still have to visit said land to do that. And then if that was the case Disney would know for sure the general public only wants OT content, which doesn't seem to be the case.

…opinions vary…

Now back to this show

 

[Jedijax719]

People are still into this obsessive gatekeeping and insistence that their opinion is absolute.

Still insisting that no one liked Last Jedi despite a pretty obvious split down the middle.

Insisting the franchise is dead and no one likes it. I guess millions of people are watching the Acolyte to self punish?

Immediately latching onto that one Starcruiser review video as if one negative opinion is suddenly the definitive assessment of it.

What's interesting is that despite the polarizing TLJ, there is STILL an 86% audience score for The Rise of Skywalker. The movie we hear the most about on the internet and the one that, according to social media, is the most horrible and disreputable SW content of all time, still comes close to a 90% audience approval. Count me as one who was fine with TROS (didn't love it but certainly felt it was an attempt to right things) but disliked TLJ immensely.

As for the TV shows, I haven't disliked or at least hated anything yet. I do have to admit I haven't made it through all of Andor because I find it difficult to endure. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka were someone neutral and, yes, a bit bland. I found a lot of Andor to be plain boring. Mando season 2 finale was the best thing to come from SW in a LONG time. BOBF, well, I just forgot that one except for Luke/Grogu episode.

2025 will be a long year for SW fans with nothing notable coming out. 2026 will be very interesting as we will have TWO theatrical films.

 

[CinematicFusion]

People are still into this obsessive gatekeeping and insistence that their opinion is absolute.

Still insisting that no one liked Last Jedi despite a pretty obvious split down the middle.

Insisting the franchise is dead and no one likes it. I guess millions of people are watching the Acolyte to self punish?

Immediately latching onto that one Starcruiser review video as if one negative opinion is suddenly the definitive assessment of it.

Movies can be very personal experiences, and a big part of what makes them so compelling is the ability to project oneself into the story, especially into the lead characters.

This personal connection means that opinions will naturally vary widely. Just because someone feels strongly about their view doesn't mean they're gatekeeping or insisting their opinion is the only valid one. It's more likely that they're deeply connected to the material in a way that's meaningful to them.

Maybe instead of seeing it as gatekeeping, you could consider that people have passionate and personal responses to stories that resonate with them. It's this diversity of opinion that makes discussions about media so rich and varied. After all, the ability to see ourselves in the characters and stories is what makes movies so impactful in the first place.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People are still into this obsessive gatekeeping and insistence that their opinion is absolute.

Still insisting that no one liked Last Jedi despite a pretty obvious split down the middle.

Insisting the franchise is dead and no one likes it. I guess millions of people are watching the Acolyte to self punish?

Immediately latching onto that one Starcruiser review video as if one negative opinion is suddenly the definitive assessment of it.

There is little counter argument to diminished brand appeal under Disney…

It’s not a few gatekeeping. You can tell yourself whatever you want.

I’ll call you “the last holdout”

50/50…ridiculous

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What's interesting is that despite the polarizing TLJ, there is STILL an 86% audience score for The Rise of Skywalker. Count me as one who was fine with TROS (didn't love it but certainly felt it was an attempt to right things) but disliked TLJ immensely.

As for the TV shows, I haven't disliked or at least hated anything yet. I do have to admit I haven't made it through all of Andor because I find it difficult to endure. Obi-Wan and Ahsoka were someone neutral and, yes, a bit bland. I found a lot of Andor to be plain boring. Mando season 2 finale was the best thing to come from SW in a LONG time. BOBF, well, I just forgot that one except for Luke/Grogu episode.

2025 will be a long year for SW fans with nothing notable coming out. 2026 will be very interesting as we will have TWO theatrical films.

And of that 86%…how many give a crap today? Or remember anything about it.

This is Star Wars…it’s a different standard and that’s the whole point.

If anything…it shows how useless those scores are. That movie was atrocious…if you can even get through it

 

[Jedijax719]

And of that 86%…how many give a crap today? Or remember anything about it.

This is Star Wars…it’s a different standard and that’s the whole point.

If anything…it shows how useless those scores are. That movie was atrocious…if you can even get through it

More than would a movie with a 50% audience score? Maybe? I'm not so sure it matters who remembers anything 5 years later. Things just don't last long at all so who remembers anything for that long. Nobody has an attention span past 5 minutes.

You say the movie was atrocious. But the score is no more or less useful or useless than the 27% audience score for Acolyte, the 41% score for TLJ, or the 95% score for Dune 2 just because of how YOU feel about them. That's cherry picking which scores are legit and which don't hold any water. However, the climate of audience scores have changed a LOT in the past 5 years.

 

[Disney Irish]

…opinions vary…

Now back to this show

I do agree that opinions vary, on a great many things. But that doesn't dispute anything I've said.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

More than would a movie with a 50% audience score? Maybe? I'm not so sure it matters who remembers anything 5 years later. Things just don't last long at all so who remembers anything for that long. Nobody has an attention span past 5 minutes.

You say the movie was atrocious. But the score is no more or less useful or useless than the 27% audience score for Acolyte, the 41% score for TLJ, or the 95% score for Dune 2 just because of how YOU feel about them. That's cherry picking which scores are legit and which don't hold any water. However, the climate of audience scores have changed a LOT in the past 5 years.

I don’t think youre ever gonna get lower than a 50% on Star Wars…call it “brand bias”

You know some of the doozies that are above 50% to this day?

Woof.

And If all things are disposable now…Disney should never buy a property again. That’s not their business.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I do agree that opinions vary, on a great many things. But that doesn't dispute anything I've said.

I wasn’t disputing you

 

[Disney Irish]

And of that 86%…how many give a crap today? Or remember anything about it.

This is Star Wars…it’s a different standard and that’s the whole point.

If anything…it shows how useless those scores are. That movie was atrocious…if you can even get through it

I think one has to accept that maybe, just maybe, the younger generations don't hold things in the same regard that we in the older generation do. And that isn't the fault of the content in this case, that is just life.

And so just because one finds something atrocious because one has held it to different standards doesn't mean the younger generations have those same standards.

 

[Jedijax719]

I think one has to accept that maybe, just maybe, the younger generations don't hold things in the same regard that we in the older generation do. And that isn't the fault of the content in this case, that is just life.

And so just because one finds something atrocious because one has held it to different standards doesn't mean the younger generations have those same standards.

I was a little confused. Are you saying that younger generations are more likely to be "kinder" in their reviews than older ones who compare it to yesteryear?

In other words, where older generations might find TROS as trampling on Anakin's legacy, younger generations may not care? Or is it the other way around?

 

[CinematicFusion]

I think one has to accept that maybe, just maybe, the younger generations don't hold things in the same regard that we in the older generation do. And that isn't the fault of the content in this case, that is just life.

And so just because one finds something atrocious because one has held it to different standards doesn't mean the younger generations have those same standards.

Fair point. My 12-year-old girls have no interest in Marvel or Lucasfilm; they love YouTube and Roblox. However, they are excited to see Inside Out and Despicable Me. Younger generations have a multitude of high-quality options available to them instantly besides tv shows and the cinema.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Fair point. My 12-year-old girls have no interest in Marvel or Lucasfilm; they love YouTube and Roblox. However, they are excited to see Inside Out and Despicable Me. Younger generations have a multitude of high-quality options available to them instantly besides tv shows and the cinema.

I’m kinda with Walt on this…

Quality would win out

 

[Disney Irish]

I was a little confused. Are you saying that younger generations are more likely to be "kinder" in their reviews than older ones who compare it to yesteryear?

In other words, where older generations might find TROS as trampling on Anakin's legacy, younger generations may not care?

I think you get it, that the older generations will find the ST to not be their "Star Wars" because it flips certain established things from the OT on its head, whereas the younger generation didn't hold those same things in the same regard.

I don't want to go back and re-litigate the ST again, so don't want to go into specific examples. But I'm sure you can pick any number of things from the ST and find that older generations cared about them and that the younger generations didn't.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Movies can be very personal experiences, and a big part of what makes them so compelling is the ability to project oneself into the story, especially into the lead characters.

This personal connection means that opinions will naturally vary widely. Just because someone feels strongly about their view doesn't mean they're gatekeeping or insisting their opinion is the only valid one. It's more likely that they're deeply connected to the material in a way that's meaningful to them.

Maybe instead of seeing it as gatekeeping, you could consider that people have passionate and personal responses to stories that resonate with them. It's this diversity of opinion that makes discussions about media so rich and varied. After all, the ability to see ourselves in the characters and stories is what makes movies so impactful in the first place.

Of course it's gatekeeping.

The continued insistence that The Last Jedi is universally bad and disliked despite a pretty even split. Telling people they're wrong to hold a different opinion. It couldn't be more clear.

Having a strong opinion one way or the other is not the issue. The insistence that the opposite view is objectively incorrect, is.