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News Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance opening reports and using Boarding Groups at Disney's Hollywood Studios

vikescaper

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The 7am window is just laughably difficult to try and secure a boarding pass even if you're well-versed on the tips and tricks. We found the 1pm slot to be a bit easier, but overall the process is maddening.
I still don’t understand why people have difficulties in obtaining a boarding group.

Have they been using the Fastpass line frequently for boarding groups lately? They sent us through it when our group was called a little bit ago. I didn’t mind as we got through the line much faster.
 

Notes from Neverland

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I still don’t understand why people have difficulties in obtaining a boarding group.

Have they been using the Fastpass line frequently for boarding groups lately? They sent us through it when our group was called a little bit ago. I didn’t mind as we got through the line much faster.
Because they vanish in seconds? We tapped 'Join' at the literal first second you could and still missed out multiple times. There was literally nothing more we could do. Demand is just much larger than what the ride can handle.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I mean, having your top ride only available for virtual Queue is fine, but that virtual queue should be available for more that 7 seconds. It should be available to join til at least noon. Hagrids doesn't close their virtual Queue pre-opening.

And the fact that its still like this after 18 months is simply absurd.
Isn’t the problem more with the ride capacity than the queue? If the ride allows 1,500 people an hour to ride and the park is open for 11 hours that 16,500 possible riders but there are more than 16,500 people at DHS each day and pretty much everyone wants to ride so there aren’t enough slots for everyone. If they left the queue open longer wouldn‘t anyone who got in later just get a boarding group that will never get called? One possible solution is to limit guests to 1 boarding group a week. That would shut out locals on APs who go multiple times a week and also limit a guest visiting for a week and spending more than 1 day at DHS from riding more than once on their trip, but it would open slots for more overall people.
 

HoustonHorn

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Isn’t the problem more with the ride capacity than the queue? If the ride allows 1,500 people an hour to ride and the park is open for 11 hours that 16,500 possible riders but there are more than 16,500 people at DHS each day and pretty much everyone wants to ride so there aren’t enough slots for everyone. If they left the queue open longer wouldn‘t anyone who got in later just get a boarding group that will never get called? One possible solution is to limit guests to 1 boarding group a week. That would shut out locals on APs who go multiple times a week and also limit a guest visiting for a week and spending more than 1 day at DHS from riding more than once on their trip, but it would open slots for more overall people.
Is it ridiculous that the VQs are filled in less than 10 seconds? No doubt.

But here's the deal. If they didn't do them and just opened up a standby line, there would be people who would get in line at park open and not get to ride. And can you imagine the untold amount of **** Disney would get from people who paid $100+ to stand in line for 10 hours and not ride a single ride?

I'm not excusing the capacity or reliability - Disney absolutely should have built a ride with better reliability and capacity. But we are where we are, and the VQ system is the best that can be done. I absolutely understand the disappointment at not getting a BG. But at least you then get to pivot your plans and get to experience other attractions and shows instead of standing in a line for 10+ hours in 90+ heat and 90+ humidity only to do absolutely nothing for your $100+.
 
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But here's the deal. If they didn't do them and just opened up a standby line, there would be people who would get in line at park open and not get to ride. And can you imagine the untold amount of **** Disney would get from people who paid $100+ to stand in line for 10 hours and not ride a single ride?
Is this actually true? In order for this to be true, with a pessimistic assumption that Rise can only handle 700 riders an hour (this is taking the lowest hourly capacity number of 1100 that I've found in brief searching and then taking 400 more off to represent a similarly pessimistic estimate of the time it spends broken down), at least 7700 people (assuming 11 operating hours) need to attend Hollywood Studios rope drop and all 7700 of them need to queue for Rise immediately, then queue entrant number 7701 needs to look at the line of 7700 people and decide to get in that line anyway. (This is further assuming that Disney implements the Rise-specific policy of telling everyone still in line at park close to pound sand, rather than simply closing the queue after 7700 people fill it immediately at rope drop in the hypothetical universe where that happens.)
 

Disney Dad 3000

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I still don’t understand why people have difficulties in obtaining a boarding group.

Have they been using the Fastpass line frequently for boarding groups lately? They sent us through it when our group was called a little bit ago. I didn’t mind as we got through the line much faster.

We got the FP line today too (around 1030) after the regular line on Tuesday.
 

Hawg G

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Isn’t the problem more with the ride capacity than the queue? If the ride allows 1,500 people an hour to ride and the park is open for 11 hours that 16,500 possible riders but there are more than 16,500 people at DHS each day and pretty much everyone wants to ride so there aren’t enough slots for everyone. If they left the queue open longer wouldn‘t anyone who got in later just get a boarding group that will never get called? One possible solution is to limit guests to 1 boarding group a week. That would shut out locals on APs who go multiple times a week and also limit a guest visiting for a week and spending more than 1 day at DHS from riding more than once on their trip, but it would open slots for more overall people.
I wouldn't be surprised if the locals are a.BIG part of the problem.

And they don't care. A little boy bawls for an hour because he can't ride the one day he's there? Who cares, I'm hitting ride 75 today! I think s lot.of.locals, many living off their free extended unemployment, set an alarm almost daily. If they hit it, they go in for a couple hours. If they don't, they go back to sleep. There should be a hard number of not more than 10 for this year IMHO.
 

SoFloMagic

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Isn’t the problem more with the ride capacity than the queue? If the ride allows 1,500 people an hour to ride and the park is open for 11 hours that 16,500 possible riders but there are more than 16,500 people at DHS each day and pretty much everyone wants to ride so there aren’t enough slots for everyone. If they left the queue open longer wouldn‘t anyone who got in later just get a boarding group that will never get called? One possible solution is to limit guests to 1 boarding group a week. That would shut out locals on APs who go multiple times a week and also limit a guest visiting for a week and spending more than 1 day at DHS from riding more than once on their trip, but it would open slots for more overall people.
For sure. They went slightly too complex and killed capacity.

It seems like the only way to fix it would be to build another copy (starting at the cells - another hallway out of the hangar a la soarin) behind it using what they've learned to raise capacity. 🤣🤣
 

rio

Active Member
Is it ridiculous that the VQs are filled in less than 10 seconds? No doubt.

But here's the deal. If they didn't do them and just opened up a standby line, there would be people who would get in line at park open and not get to ride. And can you imagine the untold amount of **** Disney would get from people who paid $100+ to stand in line for 10 hours and not ride a single ride?

I'm not excusing the capacity or reliability - Disney absolutely should have built a ride with better reliability and capacity. But we are where we are, and the VQ system is the best that can be done. I absolutely understand the disappointment at not getting a BG. But at least you then get to pivot your plans and get to experience other attractions and shows instead of standing in a line for 10+ hours in 90+ heat and 90+ humidity only to do absolutely nothing for your $100+.
Then don’t build the ride. It’s a $150 lottery ticket that you can lose. I’m not a fan of gambling in general, and I certainly don’t want to do it on vacation.
Considering that Spider Man out at DCA uses the same system and they aren’t receiving the amount of complaints the system deserves, this system is probably going to become more common than most want to admit.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
For sure. They went slightly too complex and killed capacity.

It seems like the only way to fix it would be to build another copy (starting at the cells - another hallway out of the hangar a la soarin) behind it using what they've learned to raise capacity. 🤣🤣
It worked for Soarin and TSMM.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I wouldn't be surprised if the locals are a.BIG part of the problem.

And they don't care. A little boy bawls for an hour because he can't ride the one day he's there? Who cares, I'm hitting ride 75 today! I think s lot.of.locals, many living off their free extended unemployment, set an alarm almost daily. If they hit it, they go in for a couple hours. If they don't, they go back to sleep. There should be a hard number of not more than 10 for this year IMHO.
Disney should have stats on that and if it’s true they could/should do something about it. They limit you from getting 2 boarding groups in the same day so they could limit you from getting 2 in a week as well. I still think you have a capacity problem but if there’s enough capacity for 15,000 people a day and a number as high as 1,000 are filled with locals on their 75th ride then yeah, I’d say limit it. If the real number is 50 or 100 people a day from that group than it’s not worth changing it.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Then don’t build the ride. It’s a $150 lottery ticket that you can lose. I’m not a fan of gambling in general, and I certainly don’t want to do it on vacation.
Considering that Spider Man out at DCA uses the same system and they aren’t receiving the amount of complaints the system deserves, this system is probably going to become more common than most want to admit.
If the rumors are true about what’s coming, this crazy demand plays perfectly into a system where people pay extra to guarantee a spot in a line🤑🤑🤑. I think that really sucks, but if you think it’s hard to get a spot now wait until half the people are willing to pay cash to secure their spot. If the rumors play out as suggested most rides will have a paid group and then on most days a virtual standby queue which won’t work exactly like boarding groups but will still eliminate a traditional standby line where people wait for hours.
 

UNCgolf

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Considering that Spider Man out at DCA uses the same system and they aren’t receiving the amount of complaints the system deserves, this system is probably going to become more common than most want to admit.

I think there are also far less people that care about riding the Spider-Man ride, especially given the middling to poor reviews.
 

pdude81

Well-Known Member
Complain about boarding groups all you want, but understand that standby pass would allow them for the first time to effectively kill a line before the park has closed. This is kind of the same behavior you have now as boarding groups close, but for every ride. But I just want to point out that changing the "lottery" aspect isn't going to add any capacity. At some point, when there are other new and impressive rides that open in the parks, demand will drop at RotR. But for now, and perhaps another year or two, this is the deal. I'd be afraid to move on to standby/fast pass with this ride in the foreseeable future.
 

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