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News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Construction/Specifics

Old Mouseketeer

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15 minutes per person spent in the Cantina is not just really optimistic, it's just impossible. @Curious Constance could get one of those slurpee things at a 7-11 she raves about in under 15 minutes, but the Cantina is a different animal.

Using Trader Sam's and their service and business model as the closest current example, it would seem that 30 minutes per person-per drink is the most optimistic you could get. Although most customers would be closer to an hour and two drinks per visit.

Although, if I had to book a month in advance I'm going to make this count and have two drinks and an appetizer and I would expect to be there for an hour taking it all in, chatting with the bartender, pouring over the menu, watching Rex do his show and play his songs, seeing what happens to the machinery when someone orders the big fancy drink, etc., etc.

With that, there are two scenarios Disney could go with; the super efficient 30 minutes per visit ("Sir, you have to leave now") or the less structured 60 minutes per visit.

Super Efficient One-Drink & No-Appetizer 30 Minute Visit = 200 customers per hour
14 Hour Operating Day = 2,800 customers per day

More Relaxed Two-Drink & One-Appetizer 60 Minute Visit = 100 customers per hour
14 Hour Operating Day = 1,400 customers per day


The reality, especially for the first year when all the fans and AP's will want to linger and explore, is somewhere in between those two numbers. Either scenario is terrifying from a crowd control and customer service perspective. God help 'em, it's going to be messy! :oops:

All that said, for the opening night I will be very upset if they don't invite "the bearded guy" and get this fabulous WDW CM to recreate her schtick with a Star Wars theme. Now that he had his first drink a few years ago, the bearded guy needs to experience the Cantina!

Totally agree. I was intentionally trying to make the most optimistic estimate possible for arguments sake. I agree with the Trader Sam's comparison, but I would temper it with Cove Bar, pre-expansion.

Now if we could just get them to expand cocktail service to Tropical Hideaway and offer an AP special (look over here--bright shiny thing! Ooohhhh!)
 

Disney Irish Bruh

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Source 1 (which I already provided in a previous post): Entertainment Weekly



Source 2: Matt Martin, Lucasfilm Story Group



+Various quotes from Trowbridge and other Disney/LFL employees about the land having the ability to evolve
Yes I know all that, and we all understand where it is in the timeline when it opens. But where does it say that it will be actually be stuck in that timeline for an extended period of time?
 

drod1985

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But where does it say that it will be actually be stuck in that timeline for an extended period of time?
First, the quotes I sourced weren't finite or temporary statements. They were absolute. /sith

Second, the fact that they've spent a billion dollars on a land with two attractions that have characters and situations set firmly in that timeline.

Primary examples being the fact that Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo are alive and well within the Resistance in the ROTR attraction and the fact that the battle between the Resistance and First Order is on going. The Sequel Trilogy is likely going to conclude with at least one of those characters or circumstances coming to an end. They're not going to overhaul the entire land 7 months after it debuts because the films have passed its point in continuity. The same way it's a specific place in space it is also a specific place in time.
 

Disney Irish Bruh

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First, the quotes I sourced weren't finite or temporary statements. They were absolute. /sith

Second, the fact that they've spent a billion dollars on a land with two attractions that have characters and situations set firmly in that timeline.

Primary examples being the fact that Rey, Finn, Poe and Kylo are alive and well within the Resistance in the ROTR attraction and the fact that the battle between the Resistance and First Order is on going. The Sequel Trilogy is likely going to conclude with at least one of those characters or circumstances coming to an end. They're not going to overhaul the entire land 7 months after it debuts because the films have passed its point in continuity. The same way it's a specific place in space it is also a specific place in time.
Just know that I actually agree it'll be stuck in this specific time period for at least the first couple of years. And if you go back to one of my previous posts I actually make the same point of them not updating the land quickly enough to be on the same continuity as the movies post EP9.

However the fact that you posted they made specific statements saying such made me question this. Because I still don't see where they made a specific statement saying this. From what I can tell you are inferring that this is the case rather than actually having a specific statement to refer to.

So we're on the same page, I just wanted know where you got this information from, and now I know you don't have actual information but rather inferred the information.
 

zooey

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Just know that I actually agree it'll be stuck in this specific time period for at least the first couple of years. And if you go back to one of my previous posts I actually make the same point of them not updating the land quickly enough to be on the same continuity as the movies post EP9.

However the fact that you posted they made specific statements saying such made me question this. Because I still don't see where they made a specific statement saying this. From what I can tell you are inferring that this is the case rather than actually having a specific statement to refer to.

So we're on the same page, I just wanted know where you got this information from, and now I know you don't have actual information but rather inferred the information.
Same way HP is stuck with those kids at school and Voldemort running around. Once they’re built they don’t progress the timeline. I’m not sure why youd ever think they would.
 

MisterPenguin

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Premium Member
Same way HP is stuck with those kids at school and Voldemort running around. Once they’re built they don’t progress the timeline. I’m not sure why youd ever think they would.
Because that's what the reporters were told on their recent tour. They could change things to advance the timeline or even go back in time to the original trilogy.

But... that flies in the face of how to retro-fit RotR to make that happen without huge costs. It also flies in the face of WDW's usual inertia and not wanting to spend money on changes unless it will bring in a proportional extra income.

So, despite what the reporters' tour guides said... it'll be highly unlikely the time frame of GE will ever change, even though they could theoretically change it.
 

drod1985

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Because that's what the reporters were told on their recent tour. They could change things to advance the timeline or even go back in time to the original trilogy.
I think that could be misconstrued from a lot of the quotes flying around. Here are some pulled from io9's "77 facts" article.

First - Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group said “Should Star Wars jump around in time, as it is oft wont to do, we know how Batuu is represented in that time frame,” but this isn't necessarily in reference to the parks, its moreso in reference to the additional canon materials Lucasfilm publishes that involves Batuu/Black Spire. Books, Comics, TV Shows, etc. They've got its history mapped out so they know what it looks like in different periods. That's both the context of Pablo's role in the company and the implied context of the quote.

However, the land is prepared to change. VP of Development Carrie Beck said “There are things that exist within the land that suggest there are stories still waiting to be told. And those things can be integrated with some of the stories that may go into the future.”

Chris Beatty, Executive Creative Director for Imagineering, also said "We’ve also built in the ability as this land grows, as new characters come on board, as new stories come out, as we see how our guests react to the land, the ability to open new spaces and flex spaces. So we built in the ability, in the future, to build the land out more. So we already in our heads kind of know a little bit of what’s next.”

If you take these quotes along with the previous quotes I sourced it's pretty easy to infer that yes, the land is set firmly between TLJ and IX, but there's definitely room for the story around Batuu and Black Spire Outpost to evolve and grow in the coming years. I'd expect that to be realized via the in-land story and missions surrounding ancillary characters like Dok-Ondar and Harkos.
 

Disney Irish Bruh

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Same way HP is stuck with those kids at school and Voldemort running around. Once they’re built they don’t progress the timeline. I’m not sure why youd ever think they would.
Just to be clear I never thought they would progress in the timeline. I even stated that I personally believe it'll be stuck between EP8 and EP9 forever. Someone else made that statement that SW whole deal was maintaining continuity throughout all mediums.

The only reason why I questioned it was because the poster stated that LucasFilm specifically came out and said something specific about this topic. So I wanted to know where that information came from, and of course it was just the poster inferring something from the EW article and from some twitter posts. There is no clear statement from LucasFilms or Disney on the effect the films/books will have on the land in regards to timeline.
 

Disney Irish Bruh

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I think that could be misconstrued from a lot of the quotes flying around. Here are some pulled from io9's "77 facts" article.

First - Pablo Hidalgo of the Lucasfilm Story Group said “Should Star Wars jump around in time, as it is oft wont to do, we know how Batuu is represented in that time frame,” but this isn't necessarily in reference to the parks, its moreso in reference to the additional canon materials Lucasfilm publishes that involves Batuu/Black Spire. Books, Comics, TV Shows, etc. They've got its history mapped out so they know what it looks like in different periods. That's both the context of Pablo's role in the company and the implied context of the quote.

However, the land is prepared to change. VP of Development Carrie Beck said “There are things that exist within the land that suggest there are stories still waiting to be told. And those things can be integrated with some of the stories that may go into the future.”

Chris Beatty, Executive Creative Director for Imagineering, also said "We’ve also built in the ability as this land grows, as new characters come on board, as new stories come out, as we see how our guests react to the land, the ability to open new spaces and flex spaces. So we built in the ability, in the future, to build the land out more. So we already in our heads kind of know a little bit of what’s next.”

If you take these quotes along with the previous quotes I sourced it's pretty easy to infer that yes, the land is set firmly between TLJ and IX, but there's definitely room for the story around Batuu and Black Spire Outpost to evolve and grow in the coming years. I'd expect that to be realized via the in-land story and missions surrounding ancillary characters like Dok-Ondar and Harkos.
However with this said, and you admit you're inferring without having a direct quote to them actually confirming something, this is Disney Parks we're talking about.

They have made statements before about the "ability" to make changes but never do. For example, TSMM was suppose to be able to make changes, but its been stuck in the same mode since it opened.

So we'll see if over time as the canon changes will the land change along with it. And will it be quick enough to do so. I don't believe it will, what you see at opening will likely be how it is for at least several years.
 

Old Mouseketeer

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However with this said, and you admit you're inferring without having a direct quote to them actually confirming something, this is Disney Parks we're talking about.

They have made statements before about the "ability" to make changes but never do. For example, TSMM was suppose to be able to make changes, but its been stuck in the same mode since it opened.

So we'll see if over time as the canon changes will the land change along with it. And will it be quick enough to do so. I don't believe it will, what you see at opening will likely be how it is for at least several years.
Actually, I believe they did change out one game in TSMM. I think there was some talk during construction of the opportunity for seasonal overlays, but since it continues to have high ridership, I don't think they'll see any justification.
 

Disney Irish Bruh

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Actually, I believe they did change out one game in TSMM. I think there was some talk during construction of the opportunity for seasonal overlays, but since it continues to have high ridership, I don't think they'll see any justification.
So one minor change for an attraction that is 11 years old. For an attraction that supposedly can be changed at will, that doesn't bode well for SW:GE to have changes to stay within the larger SW continuity.

Anyways, its what I expected so I don't really care if they do update the continuity after it opens.
 
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JD2000

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A source very close to me, who does not actually exist, and is just me guessing, told me to expect the reservation period to be almost identical to how AP previews for Pandora worked. You get an entry time and two hours to do everything. Just one ride permitted to enjoy Smuggler's Run. And just one reservation for the entirety of this period (you read that right). And Rise of the Resistance opens June 24th.

:p
 

fctiger

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Waiting for both rides to be open.
For us, what we decided is to try our luck and see if we can make a reservation when it opens. We have APs and live 25 mins away with flexible work schedules so it won't be hard for us to go if we actually do end up getting a chance in June. But if that doesn't work out then will probably just wait until they both open and will literally spend the entire day if we have to to do them both.

I can't wait until we hear how the reservation system will work. We have no intentions of trying for the first day but we figure with three weeks to try, it would be crazy to think we won't be able to get a slot somewhere if you sign up early. I'm guessing you will be able to sign up online when it does happen.
 
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BrianLo

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Because that's what the reporters were told on their recent tour. They could change things to advance the timeline or even go back in time to the original trilogy.

But... that flies in the face of how to retro-fit RotR to make that happen without huge costs. It also flies in the face of WDW's usual inertia and not wanting to spend money on changes unless it will bring in a proportional extra income.

So, despite what the reporters' tour guides said... it'll be highly unlikely the time frame of GE will ever change, even though they could theoretically change it.
I agree, from the sounds of things RotR is the 'problem' attraction that fixes themselves to a narrow time period.

Hondo and the MF could theoretically be changed with a few lines of dialogue to occur during a huge period of time during Star Wars canon. Especially since Han didn't have access to it for so many years.
 
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