Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

Mike S

Well-Known Member
You need to train like a Jedi to be a Jedi. It’s no different than being an MLB pitcher. You may be able to throw 95mph, but if you can’t control the pitch and develop additional ways to get people out, your powers will be ineffective.
We’ve already seen someone struggle to perform these feats when learning and that was someone with special lineage. Now all of a sudden it comes easy to random kids? Nah, I don’t buy it.
 

Tony Perkis

Well-Known Member
We’ve already seen someone struggle to perform these feats when learning and that was someone with special lineage. Now all of a sudden it comes easy to random kids? Nah, I don’t buy it.
This is where you lose me. I see a classroom of random nobodies training in the Force. You can make an argument that they were high on the Midiclorian scales, but because I think that’s the stupidest concept in the world, I further reason that means they displayed an instance, or several, which makes them further worthy.

Point being, Midiclorian levels should not be considered more valid than having isolated incidences of potential ability.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
This is where you lose me. I see a classroom of random nobodies training in the Force. You can make an argument that they were high on the Midiclorian scales, but because I think that’s the stupidest concept in the world, I further reason that means they displayed an instance, or several, which makes them further worthy.

Point being, Midiclorian levels should not be considered more valid than having isolated incidences of potential ability.
I was talking about Luke struggling to Force pull compared to stable boy.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Hey Tony, can we let the last Johnson rest yet?

Here’s what we know:

1. It splintered the fan base...which has already caused repercussions across the entire Disney business and will continue to do so.
2. 9 was a complete retcon...and a disjointed mess. Abrams did “reboot: part two”...a 3 movie arc that did next to nothing other than kill the mains...
3. The box office is going to limp home. $750 through ten days...not bad...but it’s likely to end less than last Johnson...
4. Johnson is never working for Disney again...that’s a guarantee now. Too much backlash for the studio to back him
5. Kennedy is on the block...at a minimum. We’ll see if they make a move or wait it out and just let her sit...which has already been the case in many ways.

Whats done is done
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
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Tony Perkis

Well-Known Member
Hey Tony, can we let the last Johnson rest yet?

Here’s what we know:

1. It splintered the fan base...which has already caused repercussions across the entire Disney business and will continue to do so.
2. 9 was a complete retcon...and a disjointed mess. Abrams did “reboot: part two”...a 3 movie arc that did next to nothing other than kill the mains...
3. The box office is going to limp home. $750 through ten days...not bad...but it’s likely to end less than last Johnson...
4. Johnson is never working for Disney again...that’s a guarantee now. Too much backlash for the studio to back him
5. Kennedy is on the block...at a minimum. We’ll see if they make a move or wait it out and just let her sit...which has already been the case in many ways.

Whats done is done
Nah.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
An idea we’ve seen before.
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And look, training so they can actually learn what to do instead of just randomly being able to force pull an object with no real knowledge!!!

Bunch of low-midi beta boys.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I can't believe we're having this argument about whether or not you need to go to Jedi school to use Force powers post-Baby Yoda. If you're arguing against Baby Yoda, you've already lost.
Not to go down this nerd hole...

But if you grant that whatever species that is could be the most force sensitive there is...almost like a sixth sense...then it doesn’t conflict with anything...it actually reinforces the original canon/concept

...and now I’ve gone cross eyed 😝
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
Luke suddenly had force sensitive powers. At the time, we had no idea of his parentage. That was clearly retconned by Lucas in TESB.

In TPM, it’s when Anakin can pod race when it’s a near literal impossibility for a human, let alone a child, to do so without extra sensory capabilities. Additionally, he can then control a fighter in battle.

In both examples, they're able to do things they logically should not be able to.

1000% wrong. Kenobi told Luke that Vader killed his father. So while having Vader become his father was probably not decided at the time. Luke’s father was always going to be a Jedi.
 

SJN1279

Well-Known Member
It’s also essentially like introducing a new kid into Harry Potter that doesn’t need to go to Wizarding School. It may look cool but that’s no reason to throw away established rules. You need to train to be a Jedi and use the Force in these ways. End of story.

And the movie was too long as it was. No need for extra scenes to pad the runtime.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
I can't believe we're having this argument about whether or not you need to go to Jedi school to use Force powers post-Baby Yoda. If you're arguing against Baby Yoda, you've already lost.
The consensus is that whatever species Yoda is part of is just naturally strong with the Force. We’ve only seen 3 of them so far with 2 being on the Jedi council and the other being Baby Yoda so there’s nothing to conflict with this theory. Humans however, even those from the special Skywalker family, have always been shown that they need to be taught.
 

spacemt354

Chili's
Luke suddenly had force sensitive powers. At the time, we had no idea of his parentage. That was clearly retconned by Lucas in TESB.
Obi-Wan tells Luke in ANH "I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father" and then gives him his father's lightsaber. So while the Vader connection was perhaps added later, Luke was never a nobody. That was also a driving point behind Uncle Owen's concern he would be like his father.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
The consensus is that whatever species Yoda is part of is just naturally strong with the Force. We’ve only seen 3 of them so far with 2 being on the Jedi council and the other being Baby Yoda so there’s nothing to conflict with this theory. Humans however, even those from the special Skywalker family, have always been shown that they need to be taught.
I think Favreau is in a really interesting position. The origins of yoda is perhaps the biggest mystery in Star Wars...since 1980. Pre internet by a lot...

They now can tease it, tell it, or just ignore it.
It’s actually a big reason why mandolorian has so much potential
Obi-Wan tells Luke in ANH "I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father" and then gives him his father's lightsaber. So while the Vader connection was perhaps added later, Luke was never a nobody. That was also a driving point behind Uncle Owen's concern he would be like his father.
Star Wars 101.

This is how we know Disney is making bad movies: we’re debating side points that used to be agreed upon.

We’ve re-entered the prequel nuclear winter
 

Cosmic Commando

Well-Known Member
The consensus is that whatever species Yoda is part of is just naturally strong with the Force. We’ve only seen 3 of them so far with 2 being on the Jedi council and the other being Baby Yoda so there’s nothing to conflict with this theory. Humans however, even those from the special Skywalker family, have always been shown that they need to be taught.
Fan consensus ≠ fact. Maybe The Mandalorian will change that. Luke's training before he was able to sense the blaster bolts from the droid on the Falcon was pretty much just someone telling him to trust his feelings. I don't see how no human in the galaxy could possibly come up with that on their own.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Fan consensus ≠ fact. Maybe The Mandalorian will change that. Luke's training before he was able to sense the blaster bolts from the droid on the Falcon was pretty much just someone telling him to trust his feelings. I don't see how no human in the galaxy could possibly come up with that on their own.
Case in point...

Trying to explain why something in a tepid movie (or in this case...3 movies) doesn’t suck.

I called this when they rebooted...better be strong character and story movies that set themselves apart or we’ll be talking about what moose Hayden christiansen uses in his hair....

Lucas must be laughing. He tried to redefine his “force” and they lashed out at him...and Disney walked back into the same minefield.

I gotta ask: are we sure anyone at lucasfilm actually watched the original trilogy after Lucas destroyed the original negatives?
That’s a serious question...I’m trying to exaggerate for effect but it’s not working
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Fan consensus ≠ fact. Maybe The Mandalorian will change that. Luke's training before he was able to sense the blaster bolts from the droid on the Falcon was pretty much just someone telling him to trust his feelings. I don't see how no human in the galaxy could possibly come up with that on their own.
Deflecting blaster bolts ≠ Force pulling. It ties into the heightened reflexes. It’s like the first most basic thing we see being taught to children. Luke being an adult probably catches on a bit quicker for that lesson.
 

LSLS

Well-Known Member
The consensus is that whatever species Yoda is part of is just naturally strong with the Force. We’ve only seen 3 of them so far with 2 being on the Jedi council and the other being Baby Yoda so there’s nothing to conflict with this theory. Humans however, even those from the special Skywalker family, have always been shown that they need to be taught.

Baby Yoda also can't quite control it. Sometimes it works (mainly when there is distress and his life is in danger), other times he does nothing. Basically implying he has this ability but doesn't know how to control it. Quite different from a kid who has complete control.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Baby Yoda also can't quite control it. Sometimes it works (mainly when there is distress and his life is in danger), other times he does nothing. Basically implying he has this ability but doesn't know how to control it. Quite different from a kid who has complete control.
Correct...notice he collapses and sleeps it off too...

Thankfully filoni and Favreau seem to have a tad better understanding of the rules than the d!psh!!t director twins who are napping on kennedy’s Office couch...probably as a I write this
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Luke had an untrained preternatural targeting ability with being able to hit wamprats and laser moon exhaust ports.

Leaia had an untrained ability to know Luke was in trouble and where he was and to know that the guy she smashed was her brother.... belatedly.

Young Anakin had an untrained preternatural pod racing ability which surely relied upon Force instincts and reaction times.
 

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