Star Tours 2 helping TSMM?

[celluloid]

Have to disagree here. MK's park maps recently featured Philharmagic for some time and Epcot's had Nemo on the cover. Neither of those attractions had the longest lines in the park or even any sort of noticeable extra attendance.

Park map features is only one factor. Toy Story also just had another big movie come out last year.

That being said, also notice the attractions you compared it to with the featured on the park map factor. Finding Nemo at EPCOT and Philharmagic have an amazing capacity rate.

Once again, Toy Story Mania does not..by a longshot.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Park map features is only one factor. Toy Story also just had another big movie come out last year.

That being said, also notice the attractions you compared it to with the featured on the park map factor. Finding Nemo at EPCOT and Philharmagic have an amazing capacity rate.

Once again, Toy Story Mania does not..by a longshot.

I was commenting on the quote in my post that had nothing to do with Toy Story. It was a comment on how the park maps can make people go to an attraction, which I don't believe it true.

 

[celluloid]

I was commenting on the quote in my post that had nothing to do with Toy Story. It was a comment on how the park maps can make people go to an attraction, which I don't believe it true.

Think of it this way, in some senses it is, otherwise they would not do it.

It causes that attraction to be viewed as a "Must see" by most guests if Disney pushes it as such.

 

[PirateFrank]

Believe it or not, the entire time the new Star Tours has been open, Toy Story's wait is always more than 60 minutes.

While I haven't been down there yet, I've been watching the wait times carefully.... and I do not think Star Tours II is going to have the desired effect (assuming that revamping ST was to address crowd issues in DHS). I say this because I have not seen TSM's ride times change one iotta since ST opened. not one bit.


Can someone answer this? How are the lines for TSM in California Adventure? Are they just as bad? I'm curious to hear how this ride fares in a park where there might be more demographic (small children) friendly attractions to take the load off (see where I'm going with this in the next comment)

If more guests are coming into the park for ST, expect on average for each of them to ride TSMM at least once. Would everybody in a group drawin in by ST want to go on ST? I would say that at best, 70% of those guest families would actually ride ST.

THIS....THIS...THIS....is the big gorilla in the room that no one in TDO wants to thoroughly address. DHS is SORELY needing high capacity attractions that are kid-friendly. The reason why TSM is a nightmare, capacity-wise, is mostly due to the fact there aren't any other kid-friendly people-eating attractions in the park.

I (and likely other parents here with children of similar age) feel this acutely with my 5yr old daughter and 8yr old son. He's been on ToT once. Has proclaimed that he never wants to do it ever again and flat out refuses to even walk into the courtyard for RNRC. While he loves Star Tours, my daughter wont go near it. My daughter wont go near the Indiana Jones theater or the LCA theater. She screamed bloody murder through 3/4 of The Great Movie Ride...and even the little mermaid attraction wasn't exactly kid friendly, due to the theatrics surrounding ursela.

That pretty much leaves 2-3 attractions that we can attend, as a family, in DHS. The playhouse disney show, TSM and It's tough to be a bug. As a parent, the playhouse disney show is painful, due to the lack of seating...and I start to look for sharp objects after 10 minutes in 'Its tough to be a bug'

What the park needs are kid/parent friendly people eaters...things like small world, peter pan, potc....

I'm not railing against the thrill rides. Every park needs its space mountain or Tower of Terror. But if you're going to shun the one demographic that really drives your entire parks business, expect one of two things. Either the park will not be a success or that the park will have 'issues'

 

[WeLoveTheMouse]

It's one of the most uninspired attractions ever, it's success is mostly about it's location and the dearth of other ride activities without height restrictions.

I disagree with you a ton. It's a great innovation on the Buzz Lightyear concept and I would say it is very inspired. My family loves it because its a great ride and for no other reason.

Also, it doesn't hurt that it is the kind of ride that we would love to ride over and over again in order to get higher scores. If the lines were under 30 minutes, I bet we'd ride it 4-5 times every time we visited DHS.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

That pretty much leaves 2-3 attractions that we can attend, as a family, in DHS. The playhouse disney show, TSM and It's tough to be a bug. As a parent, the playhouse disney show is painful, due to the lack of seating...and I start to look for sharp objects after 10 minutes in 'Its tough to be a bug'

It's Tough to be a Bug is at Animal Kingdom. Perhaps you're thinking of Muppet Vision 3D?

In terms of family attractions, DHS does need more. Besides TSMM, they've got Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Muppets, Playhouse Disney, and the Honey I Shrunk the Kids playground.

 

[PirateFrank]

I disagree with you a ton. It's a great innovation on the Buzz Lightyear concept and I would say it is very inspired. My family loves it because its a great ride and for no other reason.

Also, it doesn't hurt that it is the kind of ride that we would love to ride over and over again in order to get higher scores. If the lines were under 30 minutes, I bet we'd ride it 4-5 times every time we visited DHS.

I think you're being a tad myopic....and perhaps you might ride it 4-5 times under these different circumstances, but I may chance that you wont.

here's why I say that. Do you ride Buzz 4-5 times trying to get higher scores at the MK? Even if Buzz was a more immersive, better ride, you still have a ton of other things to do in the MK to keep you busy.

At DHS, there's not much to do under certain heights and ages...and whether you or other families aren't affected by the height restrictions (or aren't hamstrung by the fears of your toddlers), you need to consider the fact that a *huge* percentage of other families are limited by said restrictions.

And that's where the problem of TSM lies. Enough other families don't have enough options at DHS. Therefore, a significant percentage of the flow in that park is governed by TSM.

It's a sad fact. I wish there was something else behind it....but you have a park with one major ride solely addressing a demo-vacuum that has capacity issues.


DHS needs at least 2-3 other rides for todler/post-todler demo and i think you have a park. Until then, people will complain about TSM endlessly.

 

[Pioneer Hall]

Think of it this way, in some senses it is, otherwise they would not do it.

It causes that attraction to be viewed as a "Must see" by most guests if Disney pushes it as such.

And from my experience, I don't think it makes that big of a difference. In the above two mentioned attractions the lines were the same as I have always experienced them. The Animal Kingdom map has had a photo of a Lion on it for a while (not sure if it still does). If Disney considered the front of a map to be a way to boost an attraction why would they ever have anything generic on it?

 

[celluloid]

And from my experience, I don't think it makes that big of a difference. In the above two mentioned attractions the lines were the same as I have always experienced them. The Animal Kingdom map has had a photo of a Lion on it for a while (not sure if it still does). If Disney considered the front of a map to be a way to boost an attraction why would they ever have anything generic on it?

You have to think like Disney does. What is the latest thing the park is trying to sell? Remember they just opened up a new closer than ever up charge animal experience. With that their goal is to remind you that the park is about the animals so one would be more likely to go "Hey, I want to do that upcharge experience." Just because YOU(and many others included on this site being fans) think it is generic and don't feel it has any pull, does not mean it falls flat for other guests.

It plays a part, trust me. That is why there are entire teams of marketing deciding constantly what goes on this stuff.:wave:

 

[Pioneer Hall]

You have to think like Disney does. What is the latest thing the park is trying to sell? Remember they just opened up a new closer than ever up charge animal experience. With that their goal is to remind you that the park is about the animals so one would be more likely to go "Hey, I want to do that upcharge experience." Just because YOU(and many others included on this site being fans) think it is generic and don't feel it has any pull, does not mean it falls flat for other guests.

It plays a part, trust me. That is why there are entire teams of marketing deciding constantly what goes on this stuff.:wave:

Lion was on the map long before there was an upcharge animal experience..

 

[Tigger1988]

You have to think like Disney does. What is the latest thing the park is trying to sell? Remember they just opened up a new closer than ever up charge animal experience. With that their goal is to remind you that the park is about the animals so one would be more likely to go "Hey, I want to do that upcharge experience." Just because YOU(and many others included on this site being fans) think it is generic and don't feel it has any pull, does not mean it falls flat for other guests.

It plays a part, trust me. That is why there are entire teams of marketing deciding constantly what goes on this stuff.:wave:

Pretty sure the Lion was on the map over a year before the upcharge experience was even announced.

 

[celluloid]

Lion was on the map long before there was an upcharge animal experience..

Ah, forgive me. I have not seen the AK maps in awhile. It still serves ad promoting their point. Even generic fronts have a purpose. When something is new they showcase it, and people buzz to it. Not saying generic covers can't exist but whenever they can, they will pat themselves on the back by putting the newest attraction or one they feel like marketing at that time. Whether it be something new (Star Tours) or something that features lots of sellable characters (PhilHarmagic)

I am not saying your experience does not say something, it is not guaranteed making an attraction more popular, but it is a factor..just like a billboard.

 

[erasure fan1]

I disagree with you a ton. It's a great innovation on the Buzz Lightyear concept and I would say it is very inspired. My family loves it because its a great ride and for no other reason.

Also, it doesn't hurt that it is the kind of ride that we would love to ride over and over again in order to get higher scores. If the lines were under 30 minutes, I bet we'd ride it 4-5 times every time we visited DHS.

I agree with AEfx from the standpoint, its so busy because of the situation the ride has. I dont think thats really a knock on the ride though. My family and myself love it. Is it the most creative ride ever created? No. Is it a lot fun? Heck yea.

I agree that star tours wont have any real effect on TSMM. Even if they add 2 E-tickets, if they are not something for the entire family, it wont have any effect. TSMM is 1 of 4 or so attractions our family can do together, that makes it a must do for us, not its innovation.

 

[PirateFrank]

It's Tough to be a Bug is at Animal Kingdom. Perhaps you're thinking of Muppet Vision 3D?

In terms of family attractions, DHS does need more. Besides TSMM, they've got Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Muppets, Playhouse Disney, and the Honey I Shrunk the Kids playground.

I had meant honey I shrunk the kids...ugh, that place makes me suicidal....

 

[mp2bill]

Partially agree...

Great Movie Ride
Tower of Terror
Rockin Roller Coaster
Star Tours
Muppets
TSMM

Are all must do's each time I go...Star tours I'll probably be riding multiple times next time. Indiana jones is still a solid show. BatB and AI aren't bad shows. Fantasmic is good for days it runs.

So I'd say with the update to star tours its in much better shape...it could still use an expansion but its not THAT bad.

Agreed. The only thing I disagree with is the Indiana Jones show. I used to love it as a kid, but it's exactly the same today as it was when I first saw it in 1990. I want to like the show, but it's so stale...I wish they'd change it up every once in a while.