I don't need to, you're the one making the claim of loss potential in the Billions not me. The burden of proof is on you, and no your college buddies from Lego don't count.
…so you’re appealing to ignorance?
Nope, I'm asking you to show your homework. You make all these unsubstantiated claims and now I'm calling you out on it to prove it.
I hadn't heard that. I did some more googling and saw what you were referring to. It's interesting that different sites seem to have different stories about what Lucas planned. All of them seem to say it was more rough outlines (not scripts) though. I wonder if it changed over time. Anyway, thanks for the info!
That it is one thing that I saw consistently. Disney pushed a lot of Lucas's ideas (particularly Luke) from 7 to 8. I guess they wanted to focus more on Han and do one original character per movie kind of thing. Of course, that came at the expense of the original group and their dynamics
It was basically a treatment which George handed over to Disney, which is a rough summary of the basic ideas for the film(s). Its not a full screenplay, or even a spec script.
If you believe anyone who worked for George…”planning” didn’t seem to be on his radar
I interpreted it differently…but we still end up in the same placeThat it is one thing that I saw consistently. Disney pushed a lot of Lucas's ideas (particularly Luke) from 7 to 8. I guess they wanted to focus more on Han and do one original character per movie kind of thing. Of course, that came at the expense of the original group and their dynamics
Just like now, Disney had no vision or over arcing plans for Star Wars. They are throwing things at the wall hoping it sticks and they will milk that thing to death. See Baby Yoda.I hadn't heard that. I did some more googling and saw what you were referring to. It's interesting that different sites seem to have different stories about what Lucas planned. All of them seem to say it was more rough outlines (not scripts) though. I wonder if it changed over time. Anyway, thanks for the info!
That it is one thing that I saw consistently. Disney pushed a lot of Lucas's ideas (particularly Luke) from 7 to 8. I guess they wanted to focus more on Han and do one original character per movie kind of thing. Of course, that came at the expense of the original group and their dynamics
Yeah, that's the feeling I've gotten from their shows. They've at least been successful when it comes to movies (box office and/or critically). Of course they haven't made a movie in 5 years sooo... I guess we'll see what happens whenever they finally release another movie.
At the time of its acquisition the Star Wars franchise was the most profitable movie franchise of all time. Each film, pre-Disney, made untold hundreds of millions in profit.
Not to be snarky, but thank you for summarizing what we already know.
On this I agree. Disney has been successfully merchandising the PT/OT/ST and Mando. The others not so much, and on this I'm fine as not everything was a success under prior ownership either. Anyone buy much of the Ewoks Adventures merch?
This is my point. Except we have a poster who trots it out every time there is discussion on Disney Star Wars. Its why I'm finally asking them to prove it, as he makes claims on it as if its a foregone conclusion of the actual amount lost by Disney on that unrealized money. To which I'm calling BS, as its something that can't be known in an actual tangible sense. Nor can it actually be calculated. Notice there has been crickets since I asked them to prove it.
None of which was discussed during the exchange, to which I'll say I agree with you. Will the break from theatrical make a difference with the next movie, lets hope so.
“Appealing to ignorance” is a category of debate fallacy. In This case…it encompasses “you can’t prove it’s guaranteed…so therefore you can’t make a premise”
Thank you for educating me on something I already knew, and completely disagree with in this instance as you weren't arguing in good faith to begin with.“Appealing to ignorance” is a category of debate fallacy. In This case…it encompasses “you can’t prove it’s be guaranteed…so therefore you can’t make a premise”
Wrong…not even a hard one to diffuse.
They teach those at Traditions…and Berkeley…so you should have caught that.
Here is one interpretation of that very question
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To be fair, Disney is being criticized because they own star wars now, not Lucas. He was criticized plenty. Lucas left millions on the table by not releasing a remastered original cut of the films on dvd/blueray. I'm guessing there's something in the contract that says Disney can't release the original cuts. Because if not, they are also leaving money on the table.
The rumors were always that the original prints were destroyed when Lucas made the remastered versions. As he always felt the originals weren't complete. So he never wanted to release the originals, so the rumors make sense. Sounds like something he would do, destroy them so they could never be rereleased.
The comparison is made because it shows that business decisions aren't made in a vacuum. Even if they seem like "mistakes" from the outside, there could be many reasons why Disney made similar decisions as Lucas. Including but not limited to it being run a person who was very close to Lucas, so made similar decisions on the business side that he would make.
The decision was made last summer. Disney don’t want to embarrass a producer with a 45 year track record so the announcement will be made sometime after Andor debuts on Disney+ so that she’ll go out on a high note.
Wasn't Brennan's promotion like awhile ago, like years ago at this point?
It's come up a lot over the time Disney has owned star wars. It's not so much a defense for, Disney but more of a deflection. All I'm saying is it's really not relevant what Lucas did. Disney has had every opportunity to avoid the pitfalls Lucas fell into. So it's really all on Disney.
Yea, you had huge stretches of no real star wars on the big screen. That demand was a huge factor in the results of the two movies.
Not with what they released. The problem wasn't quantity, it was quality. Now maybe more time gives the ability to adjust better or spend more time working the story. Even then, the mistake was rushing it to market. Personally I don't think having at least a movie a year would be bad, if the quality is there of course, i.e. the mcu.
