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Splash Mountain Announcement for Disneyland

The Hitchhiker

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Yes, it’s wrong if the person of the other race adapting the story is profiting from the stories and those who are of the race in which the stories belong to are not. That’s what Joel Chandler Harris did.

Nowhere near the same with Princess and the Frog.
So long as you are consistent when it happens in reverse, I respect your objections.

I will go ahead and make it clear, however, that I could not care less if Japan made a film adaptation of Snow White and not a single European saw a dime for it, so I'm not particularly offended by what Joel Chandler Harris did, unless there's more to your point that I'm not fully seeing, which I admit is possible. I just don't think it's a problem for cultures to be influenced by other cultures, but I know not everybody agrees with that.
 

raven24

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Original Poster
So long as you are consistent when it happens in reverse, I respect your objections.

I will go ahead and make it clear, however, that I could not care less if Japan made a film adaptation of Snow White and not a single European saw a dime for it, so I'm not particularly offended by what Joel Chandler Harris did, unless there's more to your point that I'm not fully seeing, which I admit is possible. I just don't think it's a problem for cultures to be influenced by other cultures, but I know not everybody agrees with that.
Considering that Harris was stealing these stories from slaves, people who weren’t making any money from the work they were doing, let alone their stories, yeah, I’d say it was wrong of him. This country has a history of taking things from black people, profiting from them, and black people either never receiving credit, money, or both. Context must be considered here.
 

el_super

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So if Disney does anything, we have to comply with it no matter what? Even if it doesn’t change anything, I’m still allowed to speak my mind if I disagree with something they are doing. There doesn’t have to be a “point” to it.

Sure, but if you are trying to dismiss concerns over racism and exclusion in order to justify ykur like of a theme park ride, you might be missing the broader point here. Especially since no one is tying your like of the ride to accepting some of those premises.
 

Kate F

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Sure, but if you are trying to dismiss concerns over racism and exclusion in order to justify ykur like of a theme park ride, you might be missing the broader point here. Especially since no one is tying your like of the ride to accepting some of those premises.
So you’re saying if I want to like the ride, I have to accept its given “problematic” status? How is that supposed to not make me feel guilty?

“Yeah I’m a big fan of this ride that is considered controversial.”
 
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el_super

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So you’re saying if I want to like the ride, I have to accept its given “problematic” status? How is that supposed to not make me feel guilty?

You should accept its problematic status regardless of whether you like the ride or not. The two are not tied together.

You shouldn't feel guilty for liking the ride. I like Splash Mountain and count it among my favorites. I am also in favor of changing it out because my enjoyment shouldn't come at the expense of others. Splash was a product of its time, and so am I. But those times are changing.
 

Rich T

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I swear, never before in the history of humanity has a group of people gotten so upset over a singing bunny’s pending removal. In my youth, it went like this: You showed up for your annual summer visit, went to ride Inner Space, and found it gone forever, replaced by a gutted building...

...and a lying CM telling you, no, this was NOT going to have anything to do with the rumored Star Wars ride.
 

el_super

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In my youth, it went like this: You showed up for your annual summer visit, went to ride Inner Space, and found it gone forever, replaced by a gutted building...

LOL YEP... I remember my first trip after America Sings closed and being shocked it wasn't headline news. Then I went on the PeopleMover and forgot all about it.

I wonder what the headlines today would say about America the Beautiful being replaced by Wonders of China.
 

The Hitchhiker

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I swear, never before in the history of humanity has a group of people gotten so upset over a singing bunny’s pending removal. In my youth, it went like this: You showed up for your annual summer visit, went to ride Inner Space, and found it gone forever, replaced by a gutted building...

...and a lying CM telling you, no, this was NOT going to have anything to do with the rumored Star Wars ride.
As I said before, I don’t really care that it’s being removed. It sucks and makes me less interesting in going to Disneyland, but I have other interests and places to invest money so life goes on. My bigger complaint is that society in 2021 is offended by a singing bunny.
 

SplashGhost

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I was going to try to make that 3 Day SoCal Discount Ticket I got last, but I am thinking I am needing to go very soon. I didn't get to do Splash last time because the wait was really high all day and it broke down for the rest of the night as soon as I got in line. I have a deep fear of the parks closing for a year again, and by the time they reopen, Chapek will already be putting the screens up in Splash Mountain.
 

CaptinEO

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They'll most likely do a farewell. When's the last time a ride at Disney closed without merch recently?
Captain EO was closed without merch and without warning. So was It's Tough To Be a Bi
Because neither were particularly popular with the public, especially by the time they closed.

By contrast, Splash Mountain is one of the most iconic attractions of all of the Disney parks.
Yes they were. Just saw a packed showing of Tough To Be A Bug this week at Animal Kingdom.
 

PiratesMansion

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Yes they were. Just saw a packed showing of Tough To Be A Bug this week at Animal Kingdom.
Different resorts, different guest dynamics. Muppets and ITTBAB still play to busy houses in Florida, hence they still exist there (though it's worth noting that even Florida closed EO). That's why Florida still has so many AA shows: people fill the theaters. By contrast, ITTBAB was NOT playing to packed houses when it closed in California, a resort where guests famously DO NOT love static shows most of the time.

See also: Carousel of Progress (sure, it technically moved because GE wanted it to, but it may well have met the same fate anyway had they not done that), Country Bears, America Sings, Honey I Shrunk the Audience, Muppetvision, and eventually PhilharMagic will join them. Tiki Room and Lincoln are the exceptions, not the rule, and have legacy status that protects them (at least, for the time being).
 

SplashGhost

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I was at Disneyland today, 7/29/21, and my visit was vastly better than my last one since I got three Splash Mountain rides in. I have such a deep and personal connection to this ride, and my time with it today reminded me of how much it meant to me. For me personally, Splash Mountain is my Disneyland. Sure, Disneyland existed before Splash Mountain, but Splash Mountain is the ride that means the most to me in the park and it encapsulates everything I love about Disneyland.
 

Model3 McQueen

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
You should accept its problematic status regardless of whether you like the ride or not. The two are not tied together.

Splash is not problematic. Zip a dee doo dah is not problematic. Singing critters are not problematic.

SotS the movie is, but a lot of us millennials haven't seen it unless they went way out of their way to watch it. Disney likes to pretend it doesn't exist so how are we supposed to know about it anyway?

Splash has been around since 89 (or 1959 if you ask chapek) and last I checked, it has more love than it does concern.
 

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