Space Mountain news update?

Jasonflz

Jasonflz

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raven said:
I've seen the concept art and if it's anything like them it should be pretty good. Just don't ask me to post a link because they are not online anywhere and don't ask where I saw them because I can't say. But I first saw them back in October last year and the concept art is still up in that area today (along with other new attractions planed for other Disney parks.). All I can say is that guests shouldn't be disapointed with the queue or preshow if they stick to the plans.

All the info I can give. Sorry. :zipit:
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Any chance Disney will release the concept art to the public?
 
jmvd20

jmvd20

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Skyway said:
I know some are trying to remain optimistic. But I just don't have big hopes for this. And it all goes back to that original Orlando Sentinel article announcing the rehab, and how Disney went out of it's way to downplay the upgrades while distancing itself from the superb California SM rehab.

Seven months. That's less than Haunted Mansion was down, correct? (if not, it's close).

But HM was an entirely different beast, where (in theory) multiple new elements could be installed simultaneously (one guy could be hanging new speakers in the graveyard at the same time another crew was installing the attic scene while at the same time carpenters were building the staircase just down the track from where new portraits were being hung. And none of that work stopped the guys from playing with the stretch rooms.)

We KNOW from the Sentinel they are replacing the dome ceiling. Even if they do not need to remove dangerous mold or asbestos, I imagine that no other track or queue work could be done simultaneously.

Unlike a new floor, that ceiling will require cranes and scaffolding. That will be time-consuming.

Once the ceiling guys move out, the track guys will move in and set up their own cranes and scaffolding. Although it's possible that any new on-ride visual effects could be installed simultaneously, those are two different construction disciplines presumably governed by different union rules. So I would imagine the track guys would have to me close to complete before any lighting, projection, or prop installation crews could begin.

With a mostly (or entirely) new track, the ops and safety teams are going to want to run it for at least a month before welcoming the public aboard. And if the trains are speeding along the new track, I doubt they'll be putting any set decorators or special effects crews in the dome.

That leaves the queue. Knowing that they will be enclosing the old overhead "windows", I assume those carpenters will have to be finished before any new queue configuration and lighting is put in. So even that project will have restrictions.

It just seems like there's not enough time to do the minimal improvements mentioned in the Sentinel.

Hoping for any unmentioned "secrets" seems like a setup for disappointment.
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7 months is large amount of time for a project.

There is no need to have to wait on one trade to finish something prior to other trades being started.

I've ran commercial projects with ironworkers still installing the skeleton while painters and floor coverings were being installed in others.

Bottom line is that only the people who have complete access to the plans will be able to say with certainty how the project will go - (if anyone has access I'll be happy to take a look at them :D) However, blanket statements saying that all ceiling work must be done prior to removal of the existing track which must be done prior to this and that are not correct.
 
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marni1971 said:
Don`t believe the Sentinel. Who`s to say certain items arn`t already installed... ;)
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Well I remember someone mentioned about a year ago that they already installed the new projectors and were already using the new projections although last time I went on the ride I didn't really notice a difference.

Im curious if the Disneyland music will remain at the exit area or will that music get changed out now?
 
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tirian said:
They are. Everyone can breathe easier concerning this rehab; and if it makes anybody feel better, the Internet uproar over a bare-bones rehab did make a very tiny difference. :p But based on upcoming plans, I think that the half-finished MO of the previous WDW years is finally going away.
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thats not possible...unless Holmes took the buyout and walked :eek:
 
raven

raven

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Lee said:
Hmmm...can't say where you saw them, but they are obviously on display somewhere. Maybe Team Disney? Maybe in the office space at MK?
I've been trying to get my hands on that art for the longest time.

I've got an ID around here somewhere that might work...I may have to resort to trespass....:lookaroun
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I can tell you that they are in an area not accessible to guests and almost all CMs or even CM traffic for that matter. Plus there are signs posted on the doors warning that the area is under strict video surveilance.

Jasonflz said:
Any chance Disney will release the concept art to the public?
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No clue on that one.
 
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raven said:
I can tell you that they are in an area not accessible to guests and almost all CMs or even CM traffic for that matter. Plus there are signs posted on the doors warning that the area is under strict video surveilance.



No clue on that one.
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Can you at least describe what some of the art looked like? Even hints?
 
tirian

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Skyway said:
I know some are trying to remain optimistic. But I just don't have big hopes for this. And it all goes back to that original Orlando Sentinel article announcing the rehab, and how Disney went out of it's way to downplay the upgrades while distancing itself from the superb California SM rehab.

Seven months. That's less than Haunted Mansion was down, correct? (if not, it's close).

But HM was an entirely different beast, where (in theory) multiple new elements could be installed simultaneously (one guy could be hanging new speakers in the graveyard at the same time another crew was installing the attic scene while at the same time carpenters were building the staircase just down the track from where new portraits were being hung. And none of that work stopped the guys from playing with the stretch rooms.)

We KNOW from the Sentinel they are replacing the dome ceiling. Even if they do not need to remove dangerous mold or asbestos, I imagine that no other track or queue work could be done simultaneously.

Unlike a new floor, that ceiling will require cranes and scaffolding. That will be time-consuming.

Once the ceiling guys move out, the track guys will move in and set up their own cranes and scaffolding. Although it's possible that any new on-ride visual effects could be installed simultaneously, those are two different construction disciplines presumably governed by different union rules. So I would imagine the track guys would have to me close to complete before any lighting, projection, or prop installation crews could begin.

With a mostly (or entirely) new track, the ops and safety teams are going to want to run it for at least a month before welcoming the public aboard. And if the trains are speeding along the new track, I doubt they'll be putting any set decorators or special effects crews in the dome.

That leaves the queue. Knowing that they will be enclosing the old overhead "windows", I assume those carpenters will have to be finished before any new queue configuration and lighting is put in. So even that project will have restrictions.

It just seems like there's not enough time to do the minimal improvements mentioned in the Sentinel.

Hoping for any unmentioned "secrets" seems like a setup for disappointment.
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Don't get me wrong; I'm not sticking my head in the sand. I agree with WDW1974 that massive management changes are needed to restore WDW to its previous commitment to "nothing but the best." But the worst-case scenario for Space Mt—the one we almost got—involved load gates, some theming changes, and the same rickety tracks with basically no ride plussing. Lots of politics were involved in getting a good plan (not the best, but pretty good) approved; and as far as I'm concerned, this is setting a precedent that the El Cheap-O management style of Holmes & Co. is no longer acceptable.
 
ttalovebug

ttalovebug

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tirian said:
They are. Everyone can breathe easier concerning this rehab; and if it makes anybody feel better, the Internet uproar over a bare-bones rehab did make a very tiny difference. :p But based on upcoming plans, I think that the half-finished MO of the previous WDW years is finally going away.
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Thank you. I actually feel a little better now.:eek:
 
Rob562

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Skyway said:
Seven months. That's less than Haunted Mansion was down, correct? (if not, it's close).
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Ignoring the tweaks and minor changes that occurred for a month or two after it re-opened, the Mansion was closed for just over 3 months, from June to September.

I went in early June '07 just before it closed, and originally I was supposed to go back down in mid-September just days after it re-opened, but had to push that trip back to December.

-Rob
 
archangel2790

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tirian said:
Everyone can breathe easier concerning this rehab; and if it makes anybody feel better, the Internet uproar over a bare-bones rehab did make a very tiny difference. :p But based on upcoming plans, I think that the half-finished MO of the previous WDW years is finally going away.
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Well, that is good news. I can tell you, there isn't a single time that I haven't come off of SM with a mixed feeling of "What a ride!" and "Man, what's it gonna take for them to just DUST or clean up a little in there?"

It was almost depressing, watching the ride slowly slide downhill as I grew older.:shrug:

Hopefully, as tirian says, the days of the half-finished are past....
 
Expo_Seeker40

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I hope that concept art shows the windows that look out into space are still there in the queue :D :lookaroun

also, why haven't they ever done anything with DL's SM asteroid? Isn't it supposed to spin around and around on a pole and with certain lighting, make it as though its going to collide with you......only flash pictures or videos of evacs with the lights on ever show the asteroid prop.
 
Jasonflz

Jasonflz

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Expo_Seeker40 said:
I hope that concept art shows the windows that look out into space are still there in the queue :D :lookaroun

also, why haven't they ever done anything with DL's SM asteroid? Isn't it supposed to spin around and around on a pole and with certain lighting, make it as though its going to collide with you......only flash pictures or videos of evacs with the lights on ever show the asteroid prop.
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From what I know the ateroid is only turned on when Rockin' Space Mountain is operational. Real shame though.
 

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