Seven dwarfs mine train vs. radiator springs racer

[CinematicFusion]

So now that RSR is out at cars land and is a huge success, everyone now has its eyes on seven dwarfs mine train.

Fair or not, this ride needs to be the center piece of fantasyland. Anything else will be a let down. Doesn't have to be intense, scary, or thrilling. What is does have to be is magical and awe inspiring! Full on immersion into the first animated feature film Walt Disney created.
When you leave this ride, if you aren't comparing it to the great Disney dark rides like splash mountain...if there isn't a debate as to which might be better. It will be a failure.
This is a family ride....needs to be the best family ride of all time. Again, the center piece to fantasyland.

Radiator springs racers delivered, an amazing e ticket attraction. While mine trains is said to be a D level attraction by insiders....it better be the best d ticket attraction to date.
Mermaid is a good solid ride but is missing the extra something that makes it beyond great. Mermaid should have been as amazing as Harry potter, RSR, spiderman. Again amazing on a magical and enchanting level. Doesn't have to be a thrill level. Avatar land at animal kingdom has to be on a thrill level, or at least the one e ticket does.

Mine train needs to be at a minimum of 3-4 minutes with half the time inside the mountain taking the audience into a minimum of three scenes of the film.


You don't just create a ride for crowd levels....when you have a chance to make something that stands the test of time. You go all in. This ride has the potential to be that ride.

This ride needs to be on the level of the Winnie the pooh ride in Japan and splash mountain. When you leave this ride, you need to say, "take that potter! I've Just ridden greatness! Walt himself would be proud".

Imagineers did it with radiator springs, came close with mermaid....where do you think seven dwarfs mine train will land?

 

[07vanquish]

I'm hopefull it will, Disney is dumping a lot of money in new attractions lately. The last thing they would want to hear is their millions have turned into a let-down. If they have used the technologie properly sofar, why wouldn't they use it?

 

[bubbles1812]

Mine train needs to be at a minimum of 3-4 minutes with half the time inside the mountain taking the audience into a minimum of three scenes of the film.


You don't just create a ride for crowd levels....when you have a chance to make something that stands the test of time. You go all in. This ride has the potential to be that ride.

This ride needs to be on the level of the Winnie the pooh ride in Japan and splash mountain. When you leave this ride, you need to say, "take that potter! I've Just ridden greatness! Walt himself would be proud".

Imagineers did it with radiator springs, came close with mermaid....where do you think seven dwarfs mine train will land?

I agree with all your posts but I think you may end up disappointed with the Dwarf Train. Every plan/computer simulation I've seen only points to them having one show scene with the majority of the time being spent outside where it looks like there is just going to be trees and grass. I really hope I'm wrong and they've changed up the plan a bit to include more of what you are suggesting. Maybe some insiders can shed light on if there have been any significant changes... I really really want the ride to be great and I'm sure I'll enjoy it regardless but I really want it to be an E ticket ride and so far I'm seeing D ticket at the max. Right now I feel like it comes off more as a Barnstormer than a Big Thunder (which is what I would Snow White to be along the lines of) LM is just not going to do it as a centerpiece. But I've tempered my expectations based on the rides design.

 

[marni1971]

No competition. Test Track on steroids... Or Barnstormer on steroids?

 

[dman1373]

I saw radiator springs racers for the first time and i was extremely impressed. I thought it had great aa's and great layout. That being said, it wasn't a thrill ride persay, atleast like i thought it would be. It goes like 40 mph which isn't that much. I dont mind because it was more based around great looking vistas and aa's. After seeing it it made me think maybe the mine train could do the same thing. It doesn't have to be fast to have great vistas and great aa's.

And I know i am in the minority, but wait untill you see it to say judge it.

 

[bubbles1812]

I saw radiator springs racers for the first time and i was extremely impressed. I thought it had great aa's and great layout. That being said, it wasn't a thrill ride persay, atleast like i thought it would be. It goes like 40 mph which isn't that much. I dont mind because it was more based around great looking vistas and aa's. After seeing it it made me think maybe the mine train could do the same thing. It doesn't have to be fast to have great vistas and great aa's.

And I know i am in the minority, but wait untill you see it to say judge it.

No it certainly doesn't have to be fast. I'd liken it's potential to be akin to that of Big Thunder...that ride isn't really fast. It's a family coaster with great theming. The problem is the plans they have shown for Snow White don't necessarily show it to be having great vistas or great aa's...it is going to have one big show scene and that's it, at least from what the computer simulation/plans have shown us. RRS has way more than that and a very elaborate backdrop...the Mine Train certainly isn't on that scale. I agree that you have to see it before you fully judge it. And I am actually looking forward to riding it; I'm sure it will be nice for what it is. I just think it's somewhat smart to temper expectations as most things we've seen have pointed to it not being at the same level as RRS.

 

[TP2000]

No competition. Test Track on steroids... Or Barnstormer on steroids?

Yup. Disney better work quickly to lower expectations for both Mermaid and the Mine Train.

If people are expecting Cars Land/Radiator Springs Racers levels of immersion and over-the-top showmanship, they are going to be sadly let down with Mermaid this fall. And from everything we've seen on the Internetz they'll be let down again with the Mine Train in 2014.

 

[danlb_2000]

The Mine Train should be a really nice coaster, definitely a step up thematically from Goffini, and well suited to the Fantasyland demographic, but it's not going to be any where near comparable to RSR. The Fantasyland expansion has never intended to compete with Potter, or to bring a new ground breaking ride to MK, it was built to increase the capacity of Disney's busiest park, and specifically to increase the capacity of one of the most congested lands in MK.

 

[Jeff456]

I think you have said it yourself really, it is a D ticket attraction at most, Marni has put it well, 'Barnstormer on steroids,' I am looking forward to the reopening of test track more than any of the fantasyland expansion and I would be impressed if the reimagineered test track was almost as good as RSR.

 

[CinematicFusion]

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[CinematicFusion]

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[CinematicFusion]

From the images it looks like an amazing ride. My gut is Disney is trying to knock this out of the park in terms of great family dark ride. It wont be the most intense, wont be the most thrilling....I think it will be magical.

You enter by going underground. I would think the first part of the train would be a dark ride scene....then out side....another dark ride scene...outside....and then the end of the train will be a dark ride scene. Always go with the rule of three. It just feels satisfying.
Ive heard Disney is excited about a scene on the water fall. Train goes under a log the the dwarfs are walking across singing HiHo...not sure how they will do that? Animation, animatronic?

remember when Disney introduced the cgi video of the ride. They introduced it as just a glimpse of the ride. I remember them saying they didn't want to give away all the secrets.

I think we will be in for a treat. They will do their best with this ride.
The queue to the ride looks very interesting.

 

[menamechris]

I am curious what the ride capacity will be for this. I think regardless of how well it may or may not be, young girls will be anxious to ride it. So it may open in 2014, but it maybe 2016 before I ride it.

 

[danlb_2000]

From the images it looks like an amazing ride. My gut is Disney is trying to knock this out of the park in terms of great family dark ride. It wont be the most intense, wont be the most thrilling....I think it will be magical.

You enter by going underground. I would think the first part of the train would be a dark ride scene....then out side....another dark ride scene...outside....and then the end of the train will be a dark ride scene. Always go with the rule of three. It just feels satisfying.
Ive heard Disney is excited about a scene on the water fall. Train goes under a log the the dwarfs are walking across singing HiHo...not sure how they will do that? Animation, animatronic?

remember when Disney introduced the cgi video of the ride. They introduced it as just a glimpse of the ride. I remember them saying they didn't want to give away all the secrets.

I think we will be in for a treat. They will do their best with this ride.
The queue to the ride looks very interesting.

Lee, one of the resident insiders has posted some good information on the ride layout. Here is a sketch he did of the layout:

And a description of the show scenes:

Yeah, that's pretty close.

Looking back on the older versions of the layout....yeah...this thing is probably 30% shorter now.

Anyhow...the show scenes according to the latest layout:
1. NextGen Queue
2. Covered Queue
3. ?
4. Mine
5. Lift B
6. Dwarf Cottage
7. Exit past the Cottage

(Number three is odd. It indicates the second left-hand turn, just to the right of the first one out of the station. Not really sure what that's about, unless they plan to put some props of some sort over there.:shrug

 

[CinematicFusion]

Looks disappointing....why did they even need to make it if they weren't going to put their best into the project. Each version looks like they are taking more fat off the ride. New model doesn't show the water fall idea everyone was exited about.
They already have a runaway train roller coaster...why make another? Snow white dark ride already existed....why tear that down?
Can't believe they are half-assing this...they should be making it the premiere dark ride at disney. Oh well, guess it is just for crowds. Universal has nothing to fear...they still own the best dark ride in Orlando.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Well, at the end of the day I hope it's a good ride and Disney is trying to make the best ride possible. What would hurt is if Disney shanghai park got the original version of seven dwarfs mine and Orlando got the tone down version. Hope that doesn't happen.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Just saw a video with an imagineer that said you will go through the mine and also through snow whites cottage so that is cool!

 

[flynnibus]

So now that RSR is out at cars land and is a huge success, everyone now has its eyes on seven dwarfs mine train.

Why? Because DCA had something happy.. this automatically must be of the same scale as of what was happening.. for entirely different reasons.. somewhere else in the world?

I think you are seriously misleading yourself and setting yourself up for your own disappointment.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I don't think I'm the only one hyped about rides. Maybe I am the only one. But when you see an amazing ride like Harry potter...then RSR followed by transformers. I think people get excited by what is next. What the next big theme is. Well...it's fantasyland with its center piece being seven dwarfs mine train. I'm excited.
Two big titans of entertainment showing us what they do best. Think it's great. It's like watching the best two teams in sports battle it out.
Disney has hyped this up as the largest magic kingdom expansion ever. 500 million dollars spent. How can you not get excited. This doesn't happen every day

 

[Donaldfan3000]

I think you have said it yourself really, it is a D ticket attraction at most, Marni has put it well, 'Barnstormer on steroids,' I am looking forward to the reopening of test track more than any of the fantasyland expansion and I would be impressed if the reimagineered test track was almost as good as RSR.

Exactly what i was thinking!