Replacement for Tomorrowland Speedway?

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RSoxNo1

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CaptainAmerica said:
No. This post fundamentally misstates the problem with guest dynamics at the Magic Kingdom. There is no such thing as a "people eating E-ticket" at the Magic Kingdom. It's impossible. Why? Because attendance is a dynamic variable, not a static one. If attendance were constant, new attractions would work exactly as the "people eaters" you're alluding to. However, history has shown that new attractions draw additional guests to the park that more than offset the new capacity, making the park actually feel more crowded. The Magic Kingdom needs three things to alleviate congestion:

1. More minor attractions that will absorb existing guests but not increase attendance at MK. High-capacity meet-and-greets, for example. Just something that gets people into a building and off of the foot paths.

2. Smarter crowd flow patterns. The pinch points in Adventureland and Fantasyland come to mind. The elimination of the nighttime parade was actually a step in the right direction in this regard. Let's hope that the replacement parade comes with a smarter route and/or alternate paths for guests to get around at parade time.

3. Major E-tickets to draw people to the other three parks.
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A people eating e-ticket is generally something with a capacity over 2000 guests per hour that also approaches that demand. Something like Little Mermaid satisfies this, but it's not an e-ticket.
 
RSoxNo1

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Buried20KLeague said:
I don't think there's ANY chance TRON would get built in the MK... At least not like the one in Shanghai. The ride vehicles, I believe, would prevent it in the States.

Let's just say that America's more... "rotund" population just wouldn't make it practical, IMO. It's an odd position to be in, and not all that comfortable.

And I'm a fairly in shape guy, and after a full day in the park, even I found it a bit difficult to get up off the ride vehicle. Knees and legs took a second to adjust.

Now picture the masses at WDW getting up off their Rascal scooters, trying to get on a lightcycle, and then if they succeeded, trying to then get back OFF of them to flop back on their scooters.

Were it ever built in WDW, they would HAVE to do something different to accomodate the masses.

The back car of one of the trains in Shanghai had normal seats for those that couldn't (or didn't want to) ride a lightcycle. I never once saw it being used.
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Aren't the Flight of Passage restraints virtually identical?
 
Daveeeeed

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RSoxNo1 said:
There was a discussion that @marni1971 and I had about MK's capacity in the 90s vs. today. Capacity hasn't increased much at all relative to what it was when Splash Mountain opened.
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Sad isn't it. And on top of that we have an E-ticket deficit from 20K. On the bright side at least things seem to be changing.
 
Daveeeeed

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NoTime42 said:
Autotopia would be the best.

Cars and Candy Crush (Wreck it Ralph) could easily work.
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Cars has no business in Tomorrowland. Candy Crush could, but it wouldn't really make that much sense, even Tron doesn't really work with Tomorrowland's Retro look unless they plan to change it which has been hinted.
 
Laketravis

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Back in the early 70's riding a go-kart was a unique treat that most kids dreamed of. I can still remember the first time I rode Speedway as a kid in 1972. It ranked right up there with a Sea Raycer rental. Fast forward a few decades and my 5 year old enjoyed it a couple of times and then proceeded to pass it up for other attractions from age 6 onward. Slow, motorized vehicles with limited operator input just don't seem to cut it anymore.

I think it's probably time for it to die a graceful death and be replaced with something more in tune with current tastes.
 
Laketravis

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RSoxNo1 said:
There was a discussion that @marni1971 and I had about MK's capacity in the 90s vs. today. Capacity hasn't increased much at all relative to what it was when Splash Mountain opened.
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Very true. But what has changed (drastically, in my opinion) is how WDW manages that capacity. Squeezes more out of it, so to speak.
 
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So no replacement for the speedway and no replacement at least nothing decided on yet for stitch? Still holding out hope for some new attractions by the time the 50th rolls around but it's seeming unlikely. Don't get me wrong the plussings like DL and DLP got are great but should be in addition to a new attraction(s)
 
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Noone has said nothing new. TL needs a reimagining but it doesnt have to be done in the form of huge E ticket type rides. That is NOT what the park needs at the moment. It needs a reimagine on TL much in the way FL got a facelift. Added a few small things ( M&G, Ariel, Dwarfs, etc). Then the park needs to be balanced with an attraction and expansion between LS and FL on the backside of HM over to BTMRR. If there were an "eticket" going anywhere, I would think it more likely to go there than in tomorrowland even after the reimagine of that area. MK doesnt need epic rides or huge coasters to be what it is. in fact that is exactly what it isnt. It needs 4 or 5 more mid level attractions that will help alleviate some of the crowds and make for more of the Disney Experience.
 
CaptainAmerica

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DDLand said:
The already crowded and well loved Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo Disney Sea are currently adding capacity and improving guest spaces. The stated goal of the expansions are primarily about improving guest experience and maximizing capacity. The realization that a total attendance of around 30 Million becoming the new normal prompted this change.

The Magic Kingdom seems like it's about to embrace a new normal that sees attendance at around 20 Million. It's by far the most critically important park in the chain, and perhaps Disney's single most important brand. I personally suspect that any new rides would be more than offset by the work done at DHS and other locations, any E Ticket will be all about increasing breathing room ahead of an anniversary that's sure to swamp the park.

As long as the Magic Kingdom is first clicking with 20 Million a year, it's going to be crowded. I doubt it can conceivably go much higher than this until the anniversary. They have to be approaching short term saturation.

They must keep pace with the rest of the industry, Magic Kingdom has perhaps the most embarrassingly poor roster quality of all Magic Kingdoms. It's old and needs refreshes and additions if it's to play in the same game as DHS, IOA, and Disneyland.

It's the crown jewel of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts. They treat it with such disregard, preferring to utilize it as a bank account to fund their many worldwide (and domestic) exploits.

They need to step up.

@Buried20KLeague I feel much the same way. I'm surprised by your experience with Tron. Was that Single Rider or standby? Usually Battle for the Sunken Treasure was significantly shorter and Tron would be longest in the park.

@21stamps Every Magic Kingdom has featured rides that could be considered not great for children. Hesitation with bringing kids on HM, PotC, and SM have always been there. I don't ever want truly awful attractions or giga coasters at a Castle Park, but there's enough room to add a more intense Everest level Coaster to the roster or a Battle for the Sunken Treasure. Either of those would be great at rounding out MK. Part of being a family park is realizing the diverse tastes of a family.
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I'm sorry, but this is fanboy wishful thinking and is willfully ignorant of Walt Disney World operations. The way Tokyo Disney Resort operates is fundamentally different than how Walt Disney World operates, primarily due to guest composition. Right now, the biggest operational concern at Walt Disney World (apart from maybe transportation) is the imbalance of attendance between Magic Kingdom and the other three parks. Comparing the Magic Kingdom to Disneyland or Tokyo Disneyland is 100% irrelevant. Comparing the Magic Kingdom to Epcot and Hollywood Studios is 100% relevant.

Case-in-point is New Fantasyland. New Fantasyland was supposed to do what folks here are advocating. Increase capacity with new attractions and expanded pathways. What actually happened? People swarmed the park. The existing pinch points, most notably Main Street at parade time, were even further overwhelmed. Spreading the crowds out within the park didn't work because the crowds (which were now bigger in total) still congregated at Pecos Bill's at lunch time, the Tangled area in mid-afternoon, and Main Street at night time. And that's with the "signature" attraction of the expansion the relatively mediocre Mine Train. If the Magic Kingdom had built something on the scope and scale of Pandora or Star Wars, the strain on the rest of the park's infrastructure would have been even worse.
 
WDWTank

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Colleen M said:
I will love Disney no matter what, but I really hope they don't put IP in Rocking Rollercoaster. As a rocker girl, I loved that ride all those years ago. I'll also be a bit sad if Tower of Terror is scrapped for Guardians. But progress I guess. Probably only a matter of time.

I get this is Disney, but not everything needs to be IP'd into oblivion.
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The reason why Disney is so good, is that, at it's heart, not everything needs to be based on a movie :)
 
Phroobar

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What Disney needs for its parks is attendance caps that are realistic. Right now they let in as many people as the fire marshal will allow (plus some). Why can't they improve the park experience by letting in a smaller number? It's pure greed right now. They add lots of hotels but do nothing to increase park capacity but act like they have capacity.
 
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