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News Reflections of Earth confirmed to be replaced by Harmonious

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
Oh, and another thing that sucks about the lack of pyro... with Epcot Forever and Reflections of Earth, if you didn't have a direct line of sight to the water, you weren't missing that much. You could stroll up last minute and still take in most of the show. But with this, and 75% of it taking places on the barges, if you're not right up to the water, you're missing or having a hard time seeing quite a lot.
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
I seriously can’t believe with a blank slate of ideas for new shows the new MK fireworks show, harmonious, and Kitetails were done the way they were. This does not give me good hope for the future of WDW to ever be like it once was or feel like it used to feel.

Emotion and building to a real ending is missing in the nighttime shows
 

ChrisFL

Premium Member
Rewatched and my thoughts are...

I can't wait to see this tech with a well-produced, Illuminations-like show. And for them to build a dock so that monstrosity doesn't ruin the sightlines during the day anymore.

I'm surprised they didn't make the tacos and stargate collapsible so in the daytime it would just stay flat...it could have worked if engineered that way I think. Also they already did a similar thing in Tokyo for their Fantasmic show which you can see here where a VERY similar circle is collasible as part of the show:

 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
I'm surprised they didn't make the tacos and stargate collapsible so in the daytime it would just stay flat...it could have worked if engineered that way I think. Also they already did a similar thing in Tokyo for their Fantasmic show which you can see here where a VERY similar circle is collasible as part of the show:

EXACTLY

whoever is designing these new shows does not have the same imagination as previous show designers
 

Ayla

Well-Known Member
Looking at the barges more closely, the screens look curved, bulging at the bottom. That's an interesting artist's interpretation. Also funny how they made the screens the same color as the water so they blend in more.
For those that don't know, they are all black. They don't blend with anything.
 

OSUPhantom

Active Member
I'm surprised Pocahontas wasn't chosen over Princess and the Frog. PotF seems much more in-line with a MK show... but then again, so does most of this IP.

Just my guess, since they specifically wanted the singers from the cultures than inspired these songs to perform them and generally Pochontas was not recieved well by the Native American community they chose a different route. I actually think choosing to highlight the jazz/gospel inspired music as America's contribution was quite a good one.
 

Amidala

Well-Known Member
Finally got around to seeing it in person last night. Admittedly didn't have the best view (we were on the balcony above Mitsukoshi, so our view of the center ring was obscured but we were able to see both barges) but was definitely disappointed. I will say, I was visiting Epcot with some family members, both casual guests, and both enjoyed Harmonious and had no complaints. So, this very much seems in keeping with the new trend of nighttime spectaculars designed to please the average tourist without digging deep enough on an emotional level to satisfy long-time fans, APs, CMs, etc. I would say the same will probably go for Enchantment, but haven't watched the livestream for that one yet & am once again hoping to hold off until I can see it for myself in person!

The designs on the barges are also SO ugly at times. Certain parts were cool (the stylized Lion King section and the very end of Reflection with the Chinese characters in black and red) but the majority felt cluttered, and sometimes even...kind of cringe-y for lack of a better word? The Merida segment with the hair and the weird close-up of a CGI doll-looking Merida was downright awful.

The frustrating part is, it would be SO easy to fix this show and make it more cohesive and visually appealing:
1) Have a proper introduction and conclusion that tie together the theme (of coming to together to celebrate our different languages and cultures through song) instead of immediately diving into a cover at the beginning.
2) Use one song per country and light up the corresponding country in World Showcase while its native song is playing. Get rid of the excess, especially songs like Out There and How Far I'll Go that were clearly just carried over due to their success in HEA. Here's my ideal arrangement:
- Mexico: Coco
- Norway: Frozen. Vuelie was an inspired pick, but it's barely incorporated
- China: Mulan
- Germany: Snow White. Some Day my Prince Will Come would give the show some more needed downtime between all the upbeat songs, and also some representation for older movies
- Italy: Pinocchio. No Strings on Me? or the Snow White segment could transition into When You Wish Upon a Star for more downtime, similar to the You'll Be in My Heart/Can You Feel the Love mashup in HEA
- Japan: This is a rough one, all I can think of is BH6
- Morocco: Aladdin
- France: Ratatouille. They literally JUST made a brand new ride for it, why would they use anything other than Le Festin here???
- United Kingdom: After HEA's (superior) use of Brave, I think something from Mary Poppins, Alice in Wonderland or Peter Pan would be a refreshing change. You Can Fly would be nice, they could show visuals of the children flying over London on the barges
- Canada: Another head scratcher, but the upcoming Turning Red movie is set there so maybe a 2.0 could include clips from it
- US: PaTF. Dig a Little Deeper was a nice selection, even if the cover wasn't great. Should've been the finale, end with America
3) Play the original cast recordings in the songs' native languages. This is such a no brainer
4) Either rework some of the more garish barge animation or just project clips from the movies, since that's what guests AND fans actually want to see
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
18:29 Steve Davison goes very in depth on the show, and it’s flow. It’s actually interesting to hear from him. I’ve always admired his passion and thought that goes into what he creates.



Discusses they actually created two different finales, and Someday is the one they kept.
 

castlecake2.0

Well-Known Member
Finally got around to seeing it in person last night. Admittedly didn't have the best view (we were on the balcony above Mitsukoshi, so our view of the center ring was obscured but we were able to see both barges) but was definitely disappointed. I will say, I was visiting Epcot with some family members, both casual guests, and both enjoyed Harmonious and had no complaints. So, this very much seems in keeping with the new trend of nighttime spectaculars designed to please the average tourist without digging deep enough on an emotional level to satisfy long-time fans, APs, CMs, etc. I would say the same will probably go for Enchantment, but haven't watched the livestream for that one yet & am once again hoping to hold off until I can see it for myself in person!

The designs on the barges are also SO ugly at times. Certain parts were cool (the stylized Lion King section and the very end of Reflection with the Chinese characters in black and red) but the majority felt cluttered, and sometimes even...kind of cringe-y for lack of a better word? The Merida segment with the hair and the weird close-up of a CGI doll-looking Merida was downright awful.

The frustrating part is, it would be SO easy to fix this show and make it more cohesive and visually appealing:
1) Have a proper introduction and conclusion that tie together the theme (of coming to together to celebrate our different languages and cultures through song) instead of immediately diving into a cover at the beginning.
2) Use one song per country and light up the corresponding country in World Showcase while its native song is playing. Get rid of the excess, especially songs like Out There and How Far I'll Go that were clearly just carried over due to their success in HEA. Here's my ideal arrangement:
- Mexico: Coco
- Norway: Frozen. Vuelie was an inspired pick, but it's barely incorporated
- China: Mulan
- Germany: Snow White. Some Day my Prince Will Come would give the show some more needed downtime between all the upbeat songs, and also some representation for older movies
- Italy: Pinocchio. No Strings on Me? or the Snow White segment could transition into When You Wish Upon a Star for more downtime, similar to the You'll Be in My Heart/Can You Feel the Love mashup in HEA
- Japan: This is a rough one, all I can think of is BH6
- Morocco: Aladdin
- France: Ratatouille. They literally JUST made a brand new ride for it, why would they use anything other than Le Festin here???
- United Kingdom: After HEA's (superior) use of Brave, I think something from Mary Poppins, Alice in Wonderland or Peter Pan would be a refreshing change. You Can Fly would be nice, they could show visuals of the children flying over London on the barges
- Canada: Another head scratcher, but the upcoming Turning Red movie is set there so maybe a 2.0 could include clips from it
- US: PaTF. Dig a Little Deeper was a nice selection, even if the cover wasn't great. Should've been the finale, end with America
3) Play the original cast recordings in the songs' native languages. This is such a no brainer
4) Either rework some of the more garish barge animation or just project clips from the movies, since that's what guests AND fans actually want to see
Pretty much exactly what I was saying to my friends. Canada could be brother bear possibly? It’s like they totally ignored the location of the show and just went off the deep end. Also does not fit the “mood” of world showcase. Felt like I was at a rock concert. The screens were totally unnecessary, would have loved just having fountains. I feel like this show just got out of control and they ran out of money to fix it and this is what we got.
 

Dizknee_Phreek

Well-Known Member
I feel like my husband and I were the only ones who really enjoyed the PatF cover. It was probably our favorite part of the show, especially my husband's as he kept talking about it afterward. And I don't even like PatF. I did feel it stretched on WAY too long and really didn't fit in Epcot at all. But we liked the rendition of the song.

Other than that, I was pleasantly surprised to see HoND get some love as I feel it's one of Disney's most underrated films. But that flash of BatB was baffling right before the Out There segment. And as someone else mentioned, how did they not use Ratatouille to represent France??

Also agree with those mentioning the animations on the screens. Mostly they just weren't good and often felt cheap. For me the genie was the worst one...just did not feel Disney to me at all and almost felt...sinister? I dunno. For me I think I would have rather seen a stylized version of the cartoon genie than whatever it was they put up there. The animations need a lot of work...along with pretty much every other aspect of the show. It definitely feels like they put more thought into the technology than in the actual show.
 

KBLovedDisney

Well-Known Member
What have they done to Spaceship Earth....? What have they done?

Those lights are awfully tacky, shading over the goodness that is the alucobond panels that make up lovely Spaceship Earth.

Why??

I watched that show a couple of times and it just looks terribly tacky.

...

I feel like they got their inspiration from Susan who lives a couple of blocks down the road that throws the Christmas lights over everything in her yard and blasts Wizards of Winter.

I'm disappointed.
 

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