News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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GhostHost1000 said:
At the end of the day, neither side should be doing or have done what they are doing or have done. 2 wrongs don’t make a right yet here we are. Again, this all could have been avoided. And for the record I don’t agree with them coming after Reedy Creek and Disney, all I’m saying is they created their own problem
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You don't like Disney's politics. That's OK. You think it's wrong? That's OK.

But what the gov/legislature is doing is unconstitutional and vindictive. That's more than disagreeing. It's an attempt to cause real harm to a business (so much for the free market). The 1st Amendment is there to stop this very specific thing.

Not to mention how stupidly and incompetently they're going about it.
 
saxamoophone

saxamoophone

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GhostHost1000 said:
At the end of the day, neither side should be doing or have done what they are doing or have done. 2 wrongs don’t make a right yet here we are. Again, this all could have been avoided. And for the record I don’t agree with them coming after Reedy Creek and Disney, all I’m saying is they created their own problem
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You’re probably still upset they made Ellen gay in her 90s ABC sitcom.

Being an inclusive company isn’t a “problem”.
 
GoofGoof

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rio said:
This isn't just a FL problem. TN is looking to punish Nashville for not wanting to host the RNC convention. Who's to say TX or any other GOP state isn't next: https://www.axios.com/local/nashvil...-pitches-defunding-nashvilles-convention-hall
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But other states are not. TX is booming with companies moving there in large numbers with no fear of this type of attack. It’s still a very business friendly state for the most part. It’s not a GOP thing….it’s a DeSantis thing. He knows he’s gone in a few years so he has little care for the state’s long term economy. Sad
 
GhostHost1000

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lazyboy97o said:
So you’re sticking with dissenting political speech being wrong? That’s your final answer?

This is about punishing “Woke Disney” for more than just one short statement.
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Look I’m not going to get into a pixie match with you guys, you can believe what you want just like Disney and I can. All I’m saying is all of this could have been avoided and Disney has been punishing themselves with their (mis)handling of things
 
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Chi84

Chi84

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GhostHost1000 said:
Look I’m not going to get into a pixie match with you guys, you can believe what you want just like Disney and I can. All I’m saying is all of this could have been avoided and Disney is punishing themselves with their (mis)handling of things
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They could have kept quiet. They didn’t. How you feel about that ultimately comes down to what you think is right or wrong.
 
flynnibus

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GhostHost1000 said:
I didn’t say it was wrong, or even that I don’t agree with them, I just said Disney created their own problem.
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So women create their own problem when discrimination happens? Or jewish people do? How about lgbtq?

You demonstrate severe lack of comprehension of what it means to be a protected activity or protected class.

They don’t need to hide or hold back
 
Dranth

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GhostHost1000 said:
Agreed, but they were basically still “getting away” with having reedy creek advantages…and they could have revoked that a long time ago. It wouldn’t even be questioned now if they hadn’t made a mess for themselves. I don’t care what side you are on or what you believe, Disney would have less problems in the world if they didn’t create most of their own problems.
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I am still not sure what advantages those are. Legitimately. Someone please spell out what one of these advantages is (that Disney would care at all about). What exactly about RCID gives Disney an advantage with no trade off that no one else could also do if they wanted?

If people want to point out the fact that Disney could build an airport next to the Mickey ear shaped cooling towers of their theoretical nuclear plant as some kind of business defining edge than strip that out. Disney nor anyone else would care in the least. That is not what is happening though.

Also, why aren't these same people up in arms over other kinds of "advantages". Where is the special, government appointed board to oversee Universal because they are splitting the cost with local tax payers for road work to get to their private theme park? Where is the fist shaking, the outrage, the mob messing their pants with glee over the possibility of taking it to Universal?

It doesn't exist because this isn't and never has been about "advantages". This is about punishing a business because they disagreed with someone politically. That’s it, nothing more and I just can’t be on board with that. Don’t want companies to have free speech then get rid of the laws that allow it.
 
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GhostHost1000

GhostHost1000

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flynnibus said:
So women create their own problem when discrimination happens? Or jewish people do? How about lgbtq?

You demonstrate severe lack of comprehension of what it means to protected activity or protected classes.
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wow ok I’m done with this thread. You all enjoy. What is done is done…and again, it could have been avoided and I hate where things are now.
 
GoofGoof

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GhostHost1000 said:
Look I’m not going to get into a pixie match with you guys, you can believe what you want just like Disney and I can. All I’m saying is all of this could have been avoided and Disney has been punishing themselves with their (mis)handling of things
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I don’t disagree with your point that Disney speaking out has resulted in this conflict so it’s accurate to say they caused this by speaking out. Where I think you are hearing a lot of push back is whether the reaction by the government is right/legal/justified. TWDC made the decision to speak out knowing it may cost them business. Companies make these decisions every day. You can’t please everyone. If the result was a loss in business from some people opposed to their speaking out it wouldn’t be an issue.

Where this is a huge problem is one man (with the help of some sheep) is abusing the power of the government (power the people entrusted to him) to attack someone who spoke out against him. That should never be allowed anywhere and people shouldn’t accept it no matter how much they support the politician or his politics.

So while Disney could have avoided this they shouldn’t have to “keep silent” for fear of inappropriate government retaliation.
 
UNCgolf

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Dranth said:
Could be, but don't discount the number of truly bitter, angry people who have no joy in life other than seeing people/things they disagree with get "owned". The type that everything wrong is someone else's fault and who generally lose the ability to reason or even think when challenged.

I know a few of them and they are honestly some of the saddest people I have ever met. I know it would make them even angrier to hear it but, I honestly feel bad for them. I really just can't imagine my self-worth being so tied up into something so petty.
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To clarify, I don't actually think they are from China/Russia. I was just pointing out that it's the kind of thing you could easily hear from a Russian or Chinese troll/bot farm, and maybe people should be self-reflective about that.
 
Ghost93

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I feel like DeSantis's employees will simply make things difficult for Disney to get anything done with the parks as long as the company keeps producing inclusive content. They may refuse to allow an attraction to be built simply because they are angry about the diversity featured in products like the Proud Family, Strange World, Turning Red, Encanto, etc.

Disney can't and shouldn't give into these ghouls.
 
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Polkadotdress

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Andrew C said:
Florida is not hostile for business...unless you are Disney, maybe. :)
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MisterPenguin said:
The governor and his party are defiling the democratic government we all live under by using the power of their office to punish an organization whose views they don't like. That is a clear violation of the 1st Amendment.

If you 'get into a mess' by simply expressing a political point of view over pending legislation and someone in the government doesn't like you doing that and thus targets you; and they misuse their power to harass you and cause harm to you, will you just shrug and say "I guess I shouldn't have stepped into it."?
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Another example, non-Disney, in which the FL govt strips a business of their liquor license for hosting a LGBTQ-themed show.

www.nydailynews.com

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis revokes venue’s liquor license for allowing minors to attend drag Christmas show

In an administrative complaint filed Friday, state officials allege the Orlando Philharmonic Plaza Foundation, which hosted "A Drag Christmas Show" in late December, didn't disclose the “sexually explicit nature” of the performance.
www.nydailynews.com www.nydailynews.com

This is also not OK!
 
Chi84

Chi84

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GhostHost1000 said:
Of course they have the right to say what they want, we all do, but with that can come consequences as well. Disney should just stay in their lane regardless of their positions on things outside running their company. They have enough problems to worry about right now before they create new ones.
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The consequences can’t be government retaliation. At least not in this country.
 

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