News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
As a huge, lifelong Disney fan, I DO like the idea of the state stepping in to rename RCID and take a higher oversite roll over Disney.

I also love the idea of Nelson Peltz getting himself into Disney's board as well. At this time in Disney's life,...this company is in desperate need of "outside" guidence and opinion. It very much needs opposing points of view to keep the company balanced and healthy.

Any and ALL organizations the size and power of Disney...need that healthy, tough love pushback.
Could you please provide some examples of how the District was in need of greater state oversight? In what areas was the District lacking in the application of different and opposing points of view? How does a board appointed by the state ensure this diversity of views on land management?
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
As a huge, lifelong Disney fan, I DO like the idea of the state stepping in to rename RCID and take a higher oversite roll over Disney.

I also love the idea of Nelson Peltz getting himself into Disney's board as well. At this time in Disney's life,...this company is in desperate need of "outside" guidence and opinion. It very much needs opposing points of view to keep the company balanced and healthy.

Any and ALL organizations the size and power of Disney...need that healthy, tough love pushback.

I don't disagree with your larger point, but these are the wrong avenues. The state getting involved because they didn't like Disney's speech is awful precedent, and could have disastrous effects. It also will put Disney at a distinct disadvantage to other companies because this board has the ability to tax them without any vote. Universals taxes are limited by the FL constitution and the general taxes of the county and city of Orlando.

As far as Peltz, he's the wrong guy to give fresh blood to Disney. All he cares about is shareholder returns, and he's friendly with Ike Perlmutter, who is a bigger cost cutter than Chapek was.

So yes to fresh blood, but let's make sure it's the right fresh blood. We need more creatives on the board, people who care about the Disney legacy and aren't going to try to nickel and dime. And no to a state takeover of an arrangement that has served both Disney and the people of Florida well, just because the governor didn't like what Disney said.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Is this something you are wishing for?
Who would wish for that?

My point is, under RCID they are slow. How much slower can they got things done?

Maybe under the new district, it will be so much trouble to get a permit that they will make it a point to get it done before the permit expires.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Who would wish for that?

My point is, under RCID they are slow. How much slower can they got things done?

Maybe under the new district, it will be so much trouble to get a permit that they will make it a point to get it done before the permit expires.
That’s not how it works. Not to mention the serious safety issues that would arise from rushing construction.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Could you please provide some examples of how the District was in need of greater state oversight? In what areas was the District lacking in the application of different and opposing points of view? How does a board appointed by the state ensure this diversity of views on land management?

When people read the staff analysis... you can see how people can say there was room for 'updates' that would have been relevant for RCID. But the thing is... 'if it ain't broke...' - There is no pressing need to modernize this, no conflicts that were causing friction, etc. And of course it wasn't demonstrating leadership problems that incite a need to replace the oversight.

So the reality is somewhere in the middle. Where updates relevant for RCID? Sure. Were they NEEDED? No Is the legislation just modernizing those defects? NO, its going way beyond that.

You could also argue the new structure has some benefits with the ideas of planned reviews, etc so you could scope this down or review instead of the 'forever kingdom' the original charter setup. In isolation, these points all make sense... but the problem is none of this is in isolation and it's not being done for 'house cleaning' or to improve citizen's needs.
 

nickys

Premium Member
A friendly reminder of the rules of the forum that can be read below. Especially #10.

10. If you have a problem with or question about a moderator’s decision, contact the moderator privately or submit a message through the contact system. Posts or topics discussing moderator actions will be removed.
 

fgmnt

Well-Known Member
Who would wish for that?

My point is, under RCID they are slow. How much slower can they got things done?

Maybe under the new district, it will be so much trouble to get a permit that they will make it a point to get it done before the permit expires.
Do you think these are implicit or explicit goals of the State?
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
This thread is about RCID and the changes the state is trying to enact. Not about general reaction to the "don't Say Gay Bill"

Stay on topic with RCID. Thanks

I understand this is very difficult, but please don't get into wider spread politics. If you do, you will be banned from this thread. Thanks.

Please everyone, remember this thread is specifically about RCID, not a general politics thread. Please remain on-topic and respects other's differing opinions. Thanks.


If you don't agree with me - take it up with the site owner. Until then... stop bringing that stuff into this thread and cause it to get railroaded or shutdown.
 
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Cliff

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. The state of Florida gave Disney their own government and a HIGHLY SPECIAL authority for the purporse of building "EPCOT". Sadly, Walt passed shortly after and EPCOT was turned into a common theme park. When this happened, the state should have pulled back the RCID municaplaity...because it was no longer necessary and the very reason for its special purpose had vanished.

No other theme park companies have this rare advantage given to them. You dont need ownership or controll over your own local government to operate a theme park business.

If there is one quote I believe with my very heart and soul, it's: "Power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Abraham Lincoln???
 
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the_rich

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Well?....Disney is not a "person". Its a giant multi-facited conglomerate with growing polotical asperations. The state of Florida gave Disney their own government and a HIGHLY SPECIAL authority for the purporse of building "EPCOT". Sadly, Walt passed shortly after and EPCOT was turned into a common theme park. When this happened, the state should have pulled back the RCID municaplaity...because it was no longer necessary and the very reason for its special purpose had vanished.

No other theme park companies have this rare advantage given to them. You dont need ownership or controll over your own local government to operate a theme park business.

If there is one quote I believe with my very heart and soul, it's: "Power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Abraham Lincoln???
And Lincoln didn't say that
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Well?....Disney is not a "person". Its a giant multi-facited conglomerate with growing polotical asperations. The state of Florida gave Disney their own government and a HIGHLY SPECIAL authority for the purporse of building "EPCOT". Sadly, Walt passed shortly after and EPCOT was turned into a common theme park. When this happened, the state should have pulled back the RCID municaplaity...because it was no longer necessary and the very reason for its special purpose had vanished.

No other theme park companies have this rare advantage given to them. You dont need ownership or controll over your own local government to operate a theme park business.

If there is one quote I believe with my very heart and soul, it's: "Power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolutely" - Abraham Lincoln???
Reedy Creek Improvement District was established to promote tourism. This is stated in its charter and the Supreme Court decision that upheld the District’s existence and authority.

You need things like electrical, water and sewer service to operate a theme park. You need things like roads to operate a theme park. You probably want things like safety standards to operate a theme park. Those things didn’t exist nor did the capacity to build them exist.

But yes, the people of Florida should be chanting that they want to pay their fair share of Disney’s bills.
 

TehPuddingMan

Well-Known Member
And Lincoln didn't say that
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