News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Advisable Joseph

Active Member
They are reverting to the 2020 plan which is what RCID already had in place.
Isn't the "2020 plan" the one adopted in 2010 which would last through 2020?

The plans seem to be named after their end years. The plan RCID approved toward the end of its existence was the "2032" plan.

I suppose if the new board is reasonable, necessary amendments could be made.
 

WoundedDreamer

Well-Known Member
No one can predict how litigation will turn out. I’m not sure of the most recent numbers, but around 95% of federal civil cases settle before trial. That’s always where these cases were headed. The only reason they went on as long as they did was to wait for DeSantis to be done with this as a campaign issue.
Maybe... But Disney has received nothing from this settlement. One thinks they'd have at least got some concession if they could. This was not the posture they struck earlier in the fight. I'm in favor of this settlement from a pragmatic perspective, but I'm surprised they gave up pretty much every piece of leverage they had.

This was as lopsided a settlement as any I've seen.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Maybe... But Disney has received nothing from this settlement. One thinks they'd have at least got some concession if they could. This was not the posture they struck earlier in the fight. I'm in favor of this settlement from a pragmatic perspective, but I'm surprised they gave up pretty much every piece of leverage they had.

This was as lopsided a settlement as any I've seen.

Because clearly there is more going on then what is in the settlement. If it were such a lopsided win as it appears... Wouldn't you expect DeSantis to be grave dancing and telling everyone about his tremendous achievement?

Instead he's toned everything down, and is talking collaboration and NOT taking swipes at Disney when given the opportunity.

All that points to dealing that we don't know the full extent of yet.
 

WoundedDreamer

Well-Known Member
Because clearly there is more going on then what is in the settlement. If it were such a lopsided win as it appears... Wouldn't you expect DeSantis to be grave dancing and telling everyone about his tremendous achievement?

Instead he's toned everything down, and is talking collaboration and NOT taking swipes at Disney when given the opportunity.

All that points to dealing that we don't know the full extent of yet.
Quite the opposite, actually. He's being a gracious victor. He won. He said as much, and CFTOD's statement also claims victory. Now he's interested in everyone getting back to business.

That's been his tone since August of last year:
 

Cliff

Well-Known Member
Maybe... But Disney has received nothing from this settlement. One thinks they'd have at least got some concession if they could. This was not the posture they struck earlier in the fight. I'm in favor of this settlement from a pragmatic perspective, but I'm surprised they gave up pretty much every piece of leverage they had.

This was as lopsided a settlement as any I've seen.
Well? CFTOD has at least stated that they would "consult" with Disney on whatever new agreements they make. That's sorta, kind of, a little bit OK for Disney. Yes? I'm trying as hard as I can to spin this in Disney's favor as much as I can...but it's REALLY difficult.

The settlement was lopsided for a reason. Many, many Florida lawyers stated from day one that this day WOULD eventually happen. The only people who were surprised by the way this ended were the players and fans "inside" the Disney sphere. Everybody else on the "outside" said: "Yup,...this was ALL easy to predict"

There is a LOT that happened behind the scenes that we were not aware of or made public. I think that as time went on, Disney said: "Oh no,...the more they uncover, the more embarrassing this all gets for us AND our employees personally" The whole on-site Power Plant scam alone and Duke Energy situation by itself was extremely embarrassing and that was just one of a hundred publicly embarrassing issues.

I would not be surprised if Disney's Board said:

"OK Iger....stop this MESS now before it gets worse. Swallow your political pride, STOP this and bail-out right NOW..."

Disney HAD to surrender and run. The more they tried to fight, the WORSE the public relations disaster was going to get for Disney. Disney & RCID was a Pandora's box that,...if it went to court...was going to be UGLY news for Disney and their "employees" that dealt with RCID. Depositions and testimony and terrible headlines of "corruption"??? We can disagree with the word "corruption" ALL we want...I get it,...but we all KNOW that word would be used every single day of any court case and it would be in every headline.

No no no....the State of Florida had little to lose and Disney had everything to lose.
 

mikejs78

Premium Member
Well? CFTOD has at least stated that they would "consult" with Disney on whatever new agreements they make. That's sorta, kind of, a little bit OK for Disney. Yes? I'm trying as hard as I can to spin this in Disney's favor as much as I can...but it's REALLY difficult.

The settlement was lopsided for a reason. Many, many Florida lawyers stated from day one that this day WOULD eventually happen. The only people who were surprised by the way this ended were the players and fans "inside" the Disney sphere. Everybody else on the "outside" said: "Yup,...this was ALL easy to predict"

There is a LOT that happened behind the scenes that we were not aware of or made public. I think that as time went on, Disney said: "Oh no,...the more they uncover, the more embarrassing this all gets for us AND our employees personally" The whole on-site Power Plant scam alone and Duke Energy situation by itself was extremely embarrassing and that was just one of a hundred publicly embarrassing issues.

I would not be surprised if Disney's Board said:

"OK Iger....stop this MESS now before it gets worse. Swallow your political pride, STOP this and bail-out right NOW..."

Disney HAD to surrender and run. The more they tried to fight, the WORSE the public relations disaster was going to get for Disney. Disney & RCID was a Pandora's box that,...if it went to court...was going to be UGLY news for Disney and their "employees" that dealt with RCID. Depositions and testimony and terrible headlines of "corruption"??? We can disagree with the word "corruption" ALL we want...I get it,...but we all KNOW that word would be used every single day of any court case and it would be in every headline.

No no no....the State of Florida had little to lose and Disney had everything to lose.

Wow. Your view of reality is distorted.
 

Cliff

Well-Known Member
Disney has the green light to "build baby build" now.

You won't see any significant resistance from CFTOD. Florida want's more tourists and more taxes. "Disney,...do what you gotta do...go COMPETE with Universal now and bring us the jobs and the $$$"
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Well? CFTOD has at least stated that they would "consult" with Disney on whatever new agreements they make. That's sorta, kind of, a little bit OK for Disney. Yes? I'm trying as hard as I can to spin this in Disney's favor as much as I can...but it's REALLY difficult.

The settlement was lopsided for a reason. Many, many Florida lawyers stated from day one that this day WOULD eventually happen. The only people who were surprised by the way this ended were the players and fans "inside" the Disney sphere. Everybody else on the "outside" said: "Yup,...this was ALL easy to predict"

There is a LOT that happened behind the scenes that we were not aware of or made public. I think that as time went on, Disney said: "Oh no,...the more they uncover, the more embarrassing this all gets for us AND our employees personally" The whole on-site Power Plant scam alone and Duke Energy situation by itself was extremely embarrassing and that was just one of a hundred publicly embarrassing issues.

I would not be surprised if Disney's Board said:

"OK Iger....stop this MESS now before it gets worse. Swallow your political pride, STOP this and bail-out right NOW..."

Disney HAD to surrender and run. The more they tried to fight, the WORSE the public relations disaster was going to get for Disney. Disney & RCID was a Pandora's box that,...if it went to court...was going to be UGLY news for Disney and their "employees" that dealt with RCID. Depositions and testimony and terrible headlines of "corruption"??? We can disagree with the word "corruption" ALL we want...I get it,...but we all KNOW that word would be used every single day of any court case and it would be in every headline.

No no no....the State of Florida had little to lose and Disney had everything to lose.
What?
 

WoundedDreamer

Well-Known Member
Can you substantiate this?
I think Bob said they had tried to negotiate before that?
I believe he said Disney should move on, not come to the table. Not settlement talk, just declaration of victory and the other side should give up. The words move on and settlement are nothing alike.
From an August 2023 Interview:

Sullivan: And I [asked] whether he had spoken with Disney CEO Bob Iger

Gov. DeSantis: I have not, but –

Sullivan: Would you?

Gov. DeSantis: Yeah, yeah. No, I would.

(Explains the Disney-Florida fight)

….

So I would just say just as a parent, look, my wife and I, we got married at Walt Disney World, okay, so it’s not like we’re opposed. I mean, we’ve appreciated working with them over the years. But I would just say go back to what you did well. I think it’s going to be the right business decision and all that. But where we are today, you know, we’ve basically moved on. They’re suing the state of Florida, they’re gonna lose that lawsuit. So, what I would say is drop the lawsuit, you know, you have the state that even CNBC ranks as number one of all 50 states for economy, we lead the nation in new business formations, unemployment is incredibly low, great fiscal posture, people are bringing capital into Florida. This is a great place to do business. Your competitors all do very well here, Universal, Sea World, they have not had the same special privileges as you have. So, all we want to do is treat everybody the same and let’s move forward. I’m totally fine with that. But I’m not fine with giving extraordinary privileges, you know, to one special company at the exclusion of everybody else.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
From an August 2023 Interview:

Sullivan: And I [asked] whether he had spoken with Disney CEO Bob Iger

Gov. DeSantis: I have not, but –

Sullivan: Would you?

Gov. DeSantis: Yeah, yeah. No, I would.

(Explains the Disney-Florida fight)

….

So I would just say just as a parent, look, my wife and I, we got married at Walt Disney World, okay, so it’s not like we’re opposed. I mean, we’ve appreciated working with them over the years. But I would just say go back to what you did well. I think it’s going to be the right business decision and all that. But where we are today, you know, we’ve basically moved on. They’re suing the state of Florida, they’re gonna lose that lawsuit. So, what I would say is drop the lawsuit, you know, you have the state that even CNBC ranks as number one of all 50 states for economy, we lead the nation in new business formations, unemployment is incredibly low, great fiscal posture, people are bringing capital into Florida. This is a great place to do business. Your competitors all do very well here, Universal, Sea World, they have not had the same special privileges as you have. So, all we want to do is treat everybody the same and let’s move forward. I’m totally fine with that. But I’m not fine with giving extraordinary privileges, you know, to one special company at the exclusion of everybody else.
But can you substantiate your statement about him offering to “come to the table” or negotiate a settlement? There’s nothing in that statement that says anything close to what you claim.
 

WoundedDreamer

Well-Known Member
But can you substantiate your statement about him offering to “come to the table” or negotiate a settlement? There’s nothing in that statement that says anything close to what you claim.
He agreed to negotiate if approached, he suggested everyone get back to business, and he said Disney should stop fighting. It's not like he suddenly had a personality switch. This has been his stated view since August 2023. He said he was unwilling to concede on giving Disney RCID back, which they have not. It's all there. The framework he was willing to negotiate.

I do wonder if Disney decided to keep the lawsuits going despite knowing they'd likely settle, because it was bad for DeSantis. It'd be clever... That could explain their behavior over the last year.
 

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